(09-23-2022 03:28 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  That's what bothers me about Republican candidates. Why do they think what they said, i.e. lies, won't come back and bite them in the S. They of all people should be aware that everything that they say will be scrutinized by the opposition. These Repubs think that people will give them a pass like they do Demon(crat) candidates, i.e. liars. Look at THE SOB, how many lies has he spewed ever since he entered the poltical world and how many times have his voters taken that into account in their voting? Very few, I would bet. In their minds everything the Demons do is okay with them but God forbid the Repubs every lie or stretch the truth. We know the Demon voters are hypocrites but it sure won't help get votes for Repubs.

If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Perhaps you are hard right and don't appreciate when these three sites expose the Republicans/conservatives for lying, too.

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Perhaps you are hard right and don't appreciate when these three sites expose the Republicans/conservatives for lying, too.

Well you are wrong. RealClear Politics has done some "fact checking" on them. They are all very left leaning. Snopes and Politifact are extremely left wing.

They don't fact check Dems. Or they try to justify their lies. I sure don't remember anything in the last few years where they criticized the left.

They don't really fact check Republicans. They just call opinions lies, which is itself a lie. An opinion cannot be a lie.

(09-23-2022 04:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Perhaps you are hard right and don't appreciate when these three sites expose the Republicans/conservatives for lying, too.

Well you are wrong. RealClear Politics has done some "fact checking" on them. They are all very left leaning. Snopes and Politifact are extremely left wing.

They don't fact check Dems. Or they try to justify their lies. I sure don't remember anything in the last few years where they criticized the left.

I expect better from you, Bullet.

Here is one from today:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/09/bidens...mployment/

And this for Uncle Joe: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

And this for Nancy P.: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

Both people on the left and on the right don't like these fact-checking sites. And there is a reason.

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

I've heard that cliched and tired line from partisan liberals criticizing Fox (for "having to admit the truth when confronted") and partisan conservatives criticizing CNN (for "having to confront the truth when confronted") so many times ... I just laugh.

(09-23-2022 05:12 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

I've heard that cliched and tired line from partisan liberals criticizing Fox (for "having to admit the truth when confronted") and partisan conservatives criticizing CNN (for "having to confront the truth when confronted") so many times ... I just laugh.

does that help ya 'juggle'?

Biff Spackle thinks that fact check sites are not partisan.

Can't remember exactly who but I believe it was John Stossel, who in a court case, had his lawyers put a 'fact checker' on the stand where he admitted that what they do is opinion.

Liberals fact checking to back up other liberals. See how that works?

You keep on believing, there Biff. Wouldn't want to upset your little world.

(09-23-2022 05:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Perhaps you are hard right and don't appreciate when these three sites expose the Republicans/conservatives for lying, too.

Well you are wrong. RealClear Politics has done some "fact checking" on them. They are all very left leaning. Snopes and Politifact are extremely left wing.

They don't fact check Dems. Or they try to justify their lies. I sure don't remember anything in the last few years where they criticized the left.

I expect better from you, Bullet.

Here is one from today:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/09/bidens...mployment/

And this for Uncle Joe: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

And this for Nancy P.: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

Both people on the left and on the right don't like these fact-checking sites. And there is a reason.

Those politifacts are lies. There's nothing half true about those statements. If it was a Republican they would declare it liar, liar pants on fire.

I'm surprised they actually called Biden for a lie on that 8% tax rate.

Why don't you look at some of their opinions on Republicans on a topic you know something about. They are ALWAYS either lies by the factchecker or an effort to claim an opinion is a lie. They think most people won't know the facts, so they can mislead people.

(09-23-2022 06:32 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 05:12 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

I've heard that cliched and tired line from partisan liberals criticizing Fox (for "having to admit the truth when confronted") and partisan conservatives criticizing CNN (for "having to confront the truth when confronted") so many times ... I just laugh.

does that help ya 'juggle'?

My juggling skills are shot to hell. But I can still drum fairly well. Mind you, not on the level of the late and legendary N. Ellwood Peart, my all-time favorite rock drummer (and just ahead of Keith Moon, John Bonham and Ginger Baker).

Props for the photo of the master.

RIP, Professor.

(09-23-2022 06:39 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Biff Spackle thinks that fact check sites are not partisan.

Can't remember exactly who but I believe it was John Stossel, who in a court case, had his lawyers put a 'fact checker' on the stand where he admitted that what they do is opinion.

Liberals fact checking to back up other liberals. See how that works?

You keep on believing, there Biff. Wouldn't want to upset your little world.

I actually kind of like the thought of going, on occasion, by Biff Spackle. The ladies might be amused.

Rep points given.

(09-23-2022 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 05:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Perhaps you are hard right and don't appreciate when these three sites expose the Republicans/conservatives for lying, too.

Well you are wrong. RealClear Politics has done some "fact checking" on them. They are all very left leaning. Snopes and Politifact are extremely left wing.

They don't fact check Dems. Or they try to justify their lies. I sure don't remember anything in the last few years where they criticized the left.

I expect better from you, Bullet.

Here is one from today:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/09/bidens...mployment/

And this for Uncle Joe: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

And this for Nancy P.: 40% mostly false, false or pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

Both people on the left and on the right don't like these fact-checking sites. And there is a reason.

Those politifacts are lies. There's nothing half true about those statements. If it was a Republican they would declare it liar, liar pants on fire.

I'm surprised they actually called Biden for a lie on that 8% tax rate.

Why don't you look at some of their opinions on Republicans on a topic you know something about. They are ALWAYS either lies by the factchecker or an effort to claim an opinion is a lie. They think most people won't know the facts, so they can mislead people.

So to be clear, which is it:

* When Politifact calls out Biden, Pelosi, etc., for lying (which Biden, Pelosi, etc. often do, no doubt), Politifact is wrong to do do — because, as you say, "those politifacts are lies," In other words, Politifact is incompetent, inconsistent, inaccurate and will, for example, actually lie about Biden lying.

OR

* When Politifact notes Biden, Pelosi, etc., are lying, Politifact is, in fact, correct to do so because Biden, Pelosi, etc. are, in fact, liars and Politifact has properly exposed them. BUT when Politifact exposes politicians you admire/support/believe for lying, Politifact is lying because it can't be trusted to treat conservatives fairly.

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Nope.

(09-23-2022 07:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Nope.

So, and to be clear ...

When Politifact exposes Democrats for lying (which Dems often do), you agree with Politifact.

But when Politifact exposes Republicans for lying (which Republicans often do), you feel that's BS from Politifact.

Part of the problem w/ those fact checkers is they don't understand Trump's personality. Half of what he says is intentionally supposed to rile up the Left. Those factcheckers will call it a lie. They don't have a sense of humor nor understand someone not being a puppet.

Plus, no, he never said he agrees w/ PolitiFact in any situation. I would bet the farm he never even goes there. I certainly don't use it.

(09-23-2022 09:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Part of the problem w/ those fact checkers is they don't understand Trump's personality. Half of what he says is intentionally supposed to rile up the Left. Those factcheckers will call it a lie. They don't have a sense of humor nor understand someone not being a puppet.

Plus, no, he never said he agrees w/ PolitiFact in any situation. I would bet the farm he never even goes there. I certainly don't use it.

So if the Democrats (and they are perhaps stupid enough to do this) elect a "Don Trump of the left" (lets say, Al Sharpton — one of my "faves"). And "Rev." Al, like Don T., intentionally riles up his leftist base. And the fact checkers expose "Rev" Al for lying ... those clueless fact-checkers. They don't understand President Sharpton's personality.

... I have to assume that you would, to be consistent, accuse the fact-checkers for "not having a sense of humor" nor understanding that "Rev" Al is not "a puppet."

(09-23-2022 09:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 07:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 04:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Not very neutral. They pretty much all lean hard left. But even partisan sites have to admit the truth when confronted.

Disagree strongly. They often expose the liberals/Dems for lying.

Nope.

So, and to be clear ...
When Politifact exposes Democrats for lying (which Dems often do), you agree with Politifact.
But when Politifact exposes Republicans for lying (which Republicans often do), you feel that's BS from Politifact.

Nope. Wrong again.

(09-23-2022 01:59 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  There's a big difference is not being a genius and being corrupt. You don't seem to see that. But, maybe you think Pelosi, Schiff, Swalwell, and the like are not corrupt?

Can you name any of the 536 that are not?

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(09-23-2022 03:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 03:28 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  That's what bothers me about Republican candidates. Why do they think what they said, i.e. lies, won't come back and bite them in the S. They of all people should be aware that everything that they say will be scrutinized by the opposition. These Repubs think that people will give them a pass like they do Demon(crat) candidates, i.e. liars. Look at THE SOB, how many lies has he spewed ever since he entered the poltical world and how many times have his voters taken that into account in their voting? Very few, I would bet. In their minds everything the Demons do is okay with them but God forbid the Repubs every lie or stretch the truth. We know the Demon voters are hypocrites but it sure won't help get votes for Repubs.

If you want to see how much both Dems and Republicans lie, check Politifact, Factcheck.org and/or Snopes. These are legit sites that don't run editorials. They stay neutral and seek the truth.

Sorry bud but it's well known that snopes has little credibility when it comes to political issues.