(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

Congrats to Georgia Southern for completing the job North Dakota could only do for three quarters in Week 1.

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

(09-12-2022 10:37 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

That's a common perception, but it's not really the core issue with Nebraska. The school's recruiting has generally been fine - in fact, their main problem over the past several years is that their on-the-field performance has not been performing up to the level of what you'd expect with their recruiting. Wisconsin, Iowa and frankly Northwestern have been dominating Nebraska in the Big Ten West despite Nebraska consistently having better recruiting classes than all of them.

(09-12-2022 10:37 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

On the flip side of ways to fix this is to hire a coach who is just a wonderkid on Xs and Os. I don't think there is anybody out there right now who has the level of talent they would need to overcome their systemic issues.

(09-12-2022 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 06:46 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 06:33 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 04:43 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oh, they didn’t do it for the players. They did it so the boosters would STFU.

The boosters are the reason Frost got another year to begin with. Quite a few people still love him out west, even with the crappy record. I don't know if the program's quite at Auburn levels of inmates running the asylum, but it doesn't sound like it's going well when it comes to the boosters not screwing with the program.

I mean, could it be that not waiting until 10/1 was the "playing nice with the boosters" so that the guy got a much softer landing than letting it play out further, yet cutting the buyout some?

Where the AD's words almost come off as cringeworthy is how tone deaf and unaware to the game/culture the words ring when schools don't commit to lifetime/4-year scholarships, utilization of the transfer portal, and how your roster spot is re-recruited annually, making every year a competition. This whole "they deserve a different voice" just comes off as condescending. Right...and when the new coach comes in, I'm sure the AD will be like "all of the kids now must stay; you can't not commit to them."

only thing is with the new rules from a few years ago, anyone can transfer out and redshirt now and this year wouldn't count against them. Even those who have played this year.

Yeah, thankfully, the student athletes have expanded options now. But, these things go both ways. It's what happens to those Frost recruited and want to stay at Nebraska where my mind goes. Those "not my kid" players who get tossed under the bus as administration makes its commitments to new coaches to appease them. The AD says they owe it to the players to do something...how about this part?

It's just...why go there at all, as the AD? We know this game/operation is a slimy and treacherous one without honor or integrity. Own it instead of using the players as shields or props.

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

Your point is made and valid.

(09-12-2022 10:59 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

Your point is made and valid.

I can speak from experience as a fan and alum of Alabama.

We didn't have that groundwork for 20 years and so we had spotty success marred by some outright humiliation.

(09-12-2022 10:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:37 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nebraska is a complete rebuilding job at this point.

They don't so much need a coach as a CEO to lay the groundwork all over again.

I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

That's a common perception, but it's not really the core issue with Nebraska. The school's recruiting has generally been fine - in fact, their main problem over the past several years is that their on-the-field performance has not been performing up to the level of what you'd expect with their recruiting. Wisconsin, Iowa and frankly Northwestern have been dominating Nebraska in the Big Ten West despite Nebraska consistently having better recruiting classes than all of them.

Good luck to whomever takes the job.

A huge problem is the expectation game. Everyone looks back on the Osborne era and has sky high expectations. But you have to be able to build towards that.

While in some instances, there may also have been off-the-field reasons as well, look at all the coaches since osborne. They've had less and less time and support before being ousted.

So even if the next coach has an indestructible hide made of teflon, they'll likely face the same.

coaching Nebraska is starting to look like a career killer.

(09-12-2022 12:05 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:37 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:19 AM)chess Wrote:  I am not sure this is the case. Nebraska can't finish games. A coach that may be better at completing the game (and recruiting and...) may be all that is needed.

Something prevented Nebraska from overcoming its evolution. Frost may be that challenge.

I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

That's a common perception, but it's not really the core issue with Nebraska. The school's recruiting has generally been fine - in fact, their main problem over the past several years is that their on-the-field performance has not been performing up to the level of what you'd expect with their recruiting. Wisconsin, Iowa and frankly Northwestern have been dominating Nebraska in the Big Ten West despite Nebraska consistently having better recruiting classes than all of them.

Good luck to whomever takes the job.

A huge problem is the expectation game. Everyone looks back on the Osborne era and has sky high expectations. But you have to be able to build towards that.

While in some instances, there may also have been off-the-field reasons as well, look at all the coaches since osborne. They've had less and less time and support before being ousted.

So even if the next coach has an indestructible hide made of teflon, they'll likely face the same.

coaching Nebraska is starting to look like a career killer.

Osborne went many years with 9-2 records and being blown out in their bowl games. It was a process to build the juggernaut. Football has changed since that era, too.

(09-12-2022 01:32 PM)chess Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 12:05 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:37 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd argue that inability is a symptom of the core issue.

The program needs an overhaul. It needs somebody to come in and lay the proverbial groundwork. They have signs of success from time-to-time but they aren't consistent.

They need somebody who can come in, build a vision with realistic goals, build a team of coaches, build a pipeline, and then get down to Xs and Os.

IMHO, for Nebraska to be successful, they need to be able to recruit in Texas and to a lesser extent, California. USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten should help the latter.

According to Dennis Dodd, Matt Campbell is interested in the Nebraska job. And if Mark Stoops is interested, too, either coach would be a home-run hire for Nebraska.

That's a common perception, but it's not really the core issue with Nebraska. The school's recruiting has generally been fine - in fact, their main problem over the past several years is that their on-the-field performance has not been performing up to the level of what you'd expect with their recruiting. Wisconsin, Iowa and frankly Northwestern have been dominating Nebraska in the Big Ten West despite Nebraska consistently having better recruiting classes than all of them.

Good luck to whomever takes the job.

A huge problem is the expectation game. Everyone looks back on the Osborne era and has sky high expectations. But you have to be able to build towards that.

While in some instances, there may also have been off-the-field reasons as well, look at all the coaches since osborne. They've had less and less time and support before being ousted.

So even if the next coach has an indestructible hide made of teflon, they'll likely face the same.

coaching Nebraska is starting to look like a career killer.

Osborne went many years with 9-2 records and being blown out in their bowl games. It was a process to build the juggernaut. Football has changed since that era, too.

exactly

The Osborne years also saw a Big 8 that had an often times down Oklahoma, and programs like Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, and Kansas State as nearly irrelevant at worst, or very inconsistent at best. 9-2 years were those bouts against Oklahoma and Colorado, it felt like. Oh, and the partial qualifiers.

Personally, had he stuck with Nebraska further along the Big XII years, he's watching programs like Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Missouri starting to punch back, and, depending on when in the 00's he decides to swipe out, Iowa State and OSU, too. This, in addition to what was coming in with the four SWC schools (though Baylor took some time to get it going).

The legacy he carries is part of the problem there, in Lincoln. And the above isn't to say Nebraska was overrated per se, but that there's a lot of context missing with respect to Cornhusker success at a time when the game was still highly regional.

(09-12-2022 12:05 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Good luck to whomever takes the job.

A huge problem is the expectation game. Everyone looks back on the Osborne era and has sky high expectations. But you have to be able to build towards that.

While in some instances, there may also have been off-the-field reasons as well, look at all the coaches since osborne. They've had less and less time and support before being ousted.

So even if the next coach has an indestructible hide made of teflon, they'll likely face the same.

coaching Nebraska is starting to look like a career killer.

I'm not going to say that the "we'd win championships if we ran the triple option again" types aren't there, but recent history's been a healthy dose of humble pie for a lot of the fanbase. Most just want a fundamentally sound team that competes for the division and makes bowl games and to stop being a punch line.

The lack of time and support for coaches is because there was a musical chairs of incompetence at the AD position for a good 20 years, even including Tom Osborne who was honestly too elderly to have the energy needed to do the job and ended up being a bit of a do-nothing. The one constant was the university president, who's gone now, but wasn't overly supportive of athletics as a whole, let alone the football department. He was kind of a Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder type where he kept wanting to mess with things he had no business messing around in.

(09-12-2022 01:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  The Osborne years also saw a Big 8 that had an often times down Oklahoma, and programs like Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, and Kansas State as nearly irrelevant at worst, or very inconsistent at best. 9-2 years were those bouts against Oklahoma and Colorado, it felt like. Oh, and the partial qualifiers.

Personally, had he stuck with Nebraska further along the Big XII years, he's watching programs like Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Missouri starting to punch back, and, depending on when in the 00's he decides to swipe out, Iowa State and OSU, too. This, in addition to what was coming in with the four SWC schools (though Baylor took some time to get it going).

The legacy he carries is part of the problem there, in Lincoln. And the above isn't to say Nebraska was overrated per se, but that there's a lot of context missing with respect to Cornhusker success at a time when the game was still highly regional.

This is why I was against the Frost hiring when it happened. Nebraska needs to turn the page on the 90s. Young Nebraskans don't care about the team and players don't want to spend 5 years having bluehairs comparing them to guys that played when they weren't even born yet. It's possible to respect tradition without being mired in it, but Nebraskans as a people are very resistant to any sort of change, especially if something worked for them before.

To the people pooh-poohing Trev's culture talk, it absolutely matters. Even in today's college football, you have to have a healthy atmosphere around the team to be competitive. The culture at Nebraska since at least Pelini has been an emotionally soft team that implodes when things get too stressful, and off the field it's been one where you're a local celebrity and big man on campus no matter what you do on the field. You can't tell me Saban's continued success is simply due to recruits. Lots of teams have recruiting classes that are similar in talent that don't get the results he does, and his so-called "coaching rehab" doesn't just teach guys better pitches and playcalling. Nebraska outrecruits every team in the B1G West but bottom feeds because their culture sucks. PJ Fleck has even taunted Nebraska about it a few times.

IMHO - The Midwest isn't full of thousands of farm boys anymore. In the glory years they had a high percentage of young men that did hard labor all their lives. That high percentage of fit young men compensated for their lower overall population. That's not as much the case anymore. There are still a lot of farm kids, but they drive things and use power tools. Their in-state talent pool has shrunk due to advances in technology.

(09-11-2022 01:36 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 01:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 01:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  So, what job will he get next? An FCS job, I guess.

He'll get something at a G5 school almost guaranteed after what he did at UCF.

Bo Pelini couldn't get an FBS job after he posted an endless succession of 9-4 and 10-4 seasons at Nebraska. His next job was at Youngstown State.

Pelini's issue had less to do with W/L and more to do with being too difficult to manage.

(09-11-2022 03:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  He was destined to be fired the moment he took the Nebraska job. No one can win there. Times have changed. He was a perfect fit for UCF where he could recruit the talent he needed easily. I pity whoever takes the Nebraska job next. Sky-high expectations with no realistic way to meet them. The story keeps repeating. At least the next guy will be rich too when he gets fired in a few years

Nebraska's expectations drop every year. The next coach will have some time to turn things around, as Frost did btw. But there are plenty of people who could win there, saying that Nebraska can't win b/c of a few bad seasons is ridiculous. They hired 2 bad coaches in a row. What if OU struggles for their first decade in the SEC? Will people start saying "OU can't win", too? texas had 3 bad coaches in a row and did squat for 15 years, nobody is saying they'll never be back.

Nebraska still has 2.5 titles not that long ago, and a school and administration that are willing to spend the money that it takes to win again.

(09-12-2022 02:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  IMHO - The Midwest isn't full of thousands of farm boys anymore. In the glory years they had a high percentage of young men that did hard labor all their lives. That high percentage of fit young men compensated for their lower overall population. That's not as much the case anymore. There are still a lot of farm kids, but they drive things and use power tools. Their in-state talent pool has shrunk due to advances in technology.

what is the football-potential difference between Oklahoma and Nebraska, would you say?

(09-11-2022 04:28 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 03:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  He was destined to be fired the moment he took the Nebraska job. No one can win there. Times have changed. He was a perfect fit for UCF where he could recruit the talent he needed easily. I pity whoever takes the Nebraska job next. Sky-high expectations with no realistic way to meet them. The story keeps repeating. At least the next guy will be rich too when he gets fired in a few years

Yes! Nebraska had great success with a strong running attacked helped by aggressive use of players that other schools would not admit. Times changed and Nebraska is on the outside. Amazing that the Big 10 took them. It will be a challenge to find a good coach.

Nebraska has as many titles in the past 50 years as the entire B1G. They have huge fan support. They bring big ratings, even when they're losing like right now. And they were AAU at the time they were admitted. They're currently a top 5 overall program in the B1G even with all the recent ineptitude on the field. If the B1G didn't want them, now or in the future, Sankey would accept them faster than you could say "Tom Osborne".

(09-11-2022 06:33 PM)Mav Wrote:  There are a lot of questions regarding timing, all of that. It's a bit of a head-scratcher that they didn't wait until October 1st, but something tells me some boosters ponied up the money to make up for that buyout. Trev said money wasn't an issue and they could shoulder this and still pay market value for their next hire.

A Twitter guy that called the Frost hiring, as well as Fred Hoiberg for basketball and Will Bolt for baseball, is saying Matt Campbell's almost a sure thing. I'd rather they give a few others a chance to prove themselves, like Texas's DC. Why you'd toss him out now and pay the $7.5 million when you already have your eyes set on someone coaching a team receiving votes doesn't make sense to me.

(09-11-2022 04:43 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oh, they didn’t do it for the players. They did it so the boosters would STFU.

The boosters are the reason Frost got another year to begin with. Quite a few people still love him out west, even with the crappy record. I don't know if the program's quite at Auburn levels of inmates running the asylum, but it doesn't sound like it's going well when it comes to the boosters not screwing with the program.

When you're paying $5m a year to Nebraska so they can have a good football team, and they're 16-31 over a 4 year stretch, then maybe you'll want to provide a tiny bit of input on how the program is being handled. Contrast that with Auburn, they tried running their new coach out of town after 1 year, and he had a much longer track record of success than Frost before he was hired. Auburn fired a Championship winning coach within 2 years.

Nebraska has plenty of problems, but their boosters are not one of them.