Frank, Wilner agrees with you.

But it's predicated on the Pac-12 holding together.

Why would the Big 12 want to expand with more low value G5 schools? I already disagreed with their decision to go to 12 teams rather than 10 teams after Texas and OU left. But at least 12 teams enabled the Big 12 to split into divisions. I’m not sure what in the world the advantage of having 14 teams rather than 12 teams would be.


Frankly, expanding to 14 with SDSU and some other MWC team would just make the Big 12 look like even more of a Group of 5 conference than it already does.

(09-07-2022 06:58 PM)Poster Wrote:  Why would the Big 12 want to expand with more low value G5 schools? I already disagreed with their decision to go to 12 teams rather than 10 teams after Texas and OU left. But at least 12 teams enabled the Big 12 to split into divisions. I’m not sure what in the world the advantage of having 14 teams rather than 12 teams would be.


Frankly, expanding to 14 with SDSU and some other MWC team would just make the Big 12 look like even more of a Group of 5 conference than it already does.

Lowly G5s? You do realize that Cincy, Houston, UCF....value is likely higher than that of say Kansas State or maybe even Kansas. Bigger cities/markets, better tv viewership, brands, etc.

Just like Louisville value has WAY higher than Boston College or Wake Forrest.

Just like Utah value is higher value than Oregon State or Washington State.

All or those were G5s in the last 10-15 years. The newer G5s can have higher value than many long term P5s.

Just cause they are a newer addition doesn't mean they are the ones watering down a conference.

If SDSU went to the Big XII, and needed a travel partner, could Fresno be that partner?

(09-07-2022 07:50 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If SDSU went to the Big XII, and needed a travel partner, could Fresno be that partner?

We are open to be their travel partner anywhere and the good news is that we are both CSUs and we always vote for each other.

(09-07-2022 06:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Frank, Wilner agrees with you.

But it's predicated on the Pac-12 holding together.

And Wilner is speculating

A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

If the Big 12 offers then you have to take it unless there's a simultaneous PAC offer on the table.

Then again, you also have to consider long term likelihoods. The Big 12 seems more likely to stick around long term. The PAC, even if they offer San Diego State, has been mortally wounded. It's likely only a matter of time before the Big Ten picks off a few more schools...even if it's not in the next couple of years.

Regardless of where SDSU would prefer to be all things being equal, they must consider that all things are not equal.

Definitely bird in the hand. When the opportunity comes for a move up that will be to stable conference you have to take it.

(09-07-2022 07:50 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If SDSU went to the Big XII, and needed a travel partner, could Fresno be that partner?

No.

Why not 22?

(09-07-2022 09:44 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why not 22?

First of all, it's not tremendously likely SDSU goes to the Big 12.

Secondly, there's no way Fresno garners any sort of valuation to make it worth it for the Big 12 to add them.

(09-07-2022 07:08 PM)Boots Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 06:58 PM)Poster Wrote:  Why would the Big 12 want to expand with more low value G5 schools? I already disagreed with their decision to go to 12 teams rather than 10 teams after Texas and OU left. But at least 12 teams enabled the Big 12 to split into divisions. I’m not sure what in the world the advantage of having 14 teams rather than 12 teams would be.


Frankly, expanding to 14 with SDSU and some other MWC team would just make the Big 12 look like even more of a Group of 5 conference than it already does.

Lowly G5s? You do realize that Cincy, Houston, UCF....value is likely higher than that of say Kansas State or maybe even Kansas. Bigger cities/markets, better tv viewership, brands, etc.

Just like Louisville value has WAY higher than Boston College or Wake Forrest.

Just like Utah value is higher value than Oregon State or Washington State.

All or those were G5s in the last 10-15 years. The newer G5s can have higher value than many long term P5s.

Just cause they are a newer addition doesn't mean they are the ones watering down a conference.

If the AAC was so valuable with those three schools then why was their TV and media deal so low? 7m compared to 30-40 M Higher value than Kansas.

Houston may be in a large city but they are far behind Texas, A&M and likely LSU in that market.

(09-07-2022 03:32 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  ... the Big XII commissioner says, "Here's an offer to join, but I need to know right now or we move on," what do you do?

Pretty sure SDSU's administrators know where they stand with Kliavkoff and the Pac-12, but it seems somewhat risky to call Yormark's bluff with the Big XII almost certainly on more stable ground.

"A bird in the hand"

If you are San Diego State, you take the offer.

(09-08-2022 11:33 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 07:08 PM)Boots Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 06:58 PM)Poster Wrote:  Why would the Big 12 want to expand with more low value G5 schools? I already disagreed with their decision to go to 12 teams rather than 10 teams after Texas and OU left. But at least 12 teams enabled the Big 12 to split into divisions. I’m not sure what in the world the advantage of having 14 teams rather than 12 teams would be.


Frankly, expanding to 14 with SDSU and some other MWC team would just make the Big 12 look like even more of a Group of 5 conference than it already does.

Lowly G5s? You do realize that Cincy, Houston, UCF....value is likely higher than that of say Kansas State or maybe even Kansas. Bigger cities/markets, better tv viewership, brands, etc.

Just like Louisville value has WAY higher than Boston College or Wake Forrest.

Just like Utah value is higher value than Oregon State or Washington State.

All or those were G5s in the last 10-15 years. The newer G5s can have higher value than many long term P5s.

Just cause they are a newer addition doesn't mean they are the ones watering down a conference.

If the AAC was so valuable with those three schools then why was their TV and media deal so low? 7m compared to 30-40 M Higher value than Kansas.

Houston may be in a large city but they are far behind Texas, A&M and likely LSU in that market.

A school’s valuation in one conference can be much different in another. Oregon for example has a much higher valuation in BIG than PAC. Whether those three are at $30-$40 million


In part because consolidation- there were less likely equal T1 and T2 to occur in AAC, and room for that conference to get prime spots even when they did.

In part because of ECU and Tulsa etc- Cincinnati was likely higher than the conference AAV.

In part because who else would bid on that conference? With only one bidder, the market rate and what it makes ESPN can be larger.

In part because it’s not a current deal.

(09-07-2022 07:50 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If SDSU went to the Big XII, and needed a travel partner, could Fresno be that partner?

Sigh. As long as we are talking about things that will never happen, why not San Jose State?

(09-08-2022 11:33 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Houston may be in a large city but they are far behind Texas, A&M and likely LSU in that market.

Nope. Houstonians care about the hometown schools about the same as UT and A&M. The interest in LSU, OU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor etc trails.

Chronicle runs a poll every few years. The results are consistent. Here are this year's results.

Respondents also were asked to list their favorite college programs. The University of Texas had the largest contingent of hard-core support, with 20 percent of respondents describing themselves as "very interested" in the Longhorns' progress, but the top draw across the top two categories was the University of Houston. Forty-five percent of respondents said they were very interested or somewhat interested in the Cougars, compared with 43 percent for Texas, 39 percent for Texas A&M and 33 percent for Rice.

SD state would be an idiot not to join the B12.

https://twitter.com/JamesCrepea/status/1..._&ref_url=

(09-08-2022 09:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 11:33 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Houston may be in a large city but they are far behind Texas, A&M and likely LSU in that market.

Nope. Houstonians care about the hometown schools about the same as UT and A&M. The interest in LSU, OU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor etc trails.

Chronicle runs a poll every few years. The results are consistent. Here are this year's results.

Respondents also were asked to list their favorite college programs. The University of Texas had the largest contingent of hard-core support, with 20 percent of respondents describing themselves as "very interested" in the Longhorns' progress, but the top draw across the top two categories was the University of Houston. Forty-five percent of respondents said they were very interested or somewhat interested in the Cougars, compared with 43 percent for Texas, 39 percent for Texas A&M and 33 percent for Rice.

This poll is 20 years old.

But UH is definitely #3 well ahead of Rice, LSU and Baylor. Nobody else really registers. The Chronicle would have the weekly TV ratings in the late 00s. Texas lead by a big margin. Houston was usually 2nd, ahead of A&M.

What people don't seem to understand about Houston is that UH was a much bigger school than A&M until the late 80s or early 90s. And Houston's students are much more likely to come from Houston and go to work in Houston, while A&M's come from various parts of the state and go to work in various parts of the state.