https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0577195357

This interview was great.

In short - ESPN is so heavily invested in the ACC, quote per Magnus they have "every incentive" to help with ACC revenue.

It's all but guaranteed IMO the ACC and ESPN are going to have new terms to their current deal probably by increasing the number of ACC league games in football and/or basketball.

That looks like one of several options they are looking at.

Yeah, that'll close the gap.

(08-24-2022 09:08 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah, that'll close the gap.

Just because you can't catch the SEC and Big 10 doesn't mean you shouldn't try to raise revenue.

(08-24-2022 08:02 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0577195357

This interview was great.

In short - ESPN is so heavily invested in the ACC, quote per Magnus they have "every incentive" to help with ACC revenue.

It's all but guaranteed IMO the ACC and ESPN are going to have new terms to their current deal probably by increasing the number of ACC league games in football and/or basketball.

That looks like one of several options they are looking at.

ESPN will probably have some extra time slots for college football now that they lost the Big Ten. The probably ran the numbers and calculated that the extra cost for Big Ten football was not worth it, as they could get the same content from the ACC for less money. Streaming is already here (Apple TV, Netflix, Amazon) and the ACC has a good basketball product so ESPN might be able to sell more subscriptions world wide for ACC basketball.

Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

(08-24-2022 09:08 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah, that'll close the gap.

Why do you care?

Something to keep your mind off the Ohio State game? You need to be positive ma boy!

It's amazing how many non-ACCers hope/believe the ACC is going to die.

It isn't.

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

BUT MUH BULLETPROOF GOR

(08-24-2022 08:02 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0577195357

This interview was great.

In short - ESPN is so heavily invested in the ACC, quote per Magnus they have "every incentive" to help with ACC revenue.

It's all but guaranteed IMO the ACC and ESPN are going to have new terms to their current deal probably by increasing the number of ACC league games in football and/or basketball.

That looks like one of several options they are looking at.

Going to 9 conference games in football is definitely a possibility but it's hard to imagine going beyond 20 conference games in basketball. Perhaps something could be done to improve non-conference scheduling in both sports. Maybe the schools could grant the conference the right to schedule for each school one non-conference football game a year and two non-conference basketball games a year. If nothing else we need to replace the ACC-Big 10 series in basketball which is likely to end soon.

BTW, when is it going to be time to add a second linear channel to ACCN? There are many more events that the conference could televise at little additional cost.

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

These 3 factors are VERY compelling reasons why ESPN wants the ACC to survive and thrive. ND joining the B1G would mean that ESPN loses all of ND's rights forever. They really, really, really don't want that.

The other most intriguing comment was that ESPN thinks about rivalries much more than markets. I couldn't help but think about adding just WVU - the Backyard Brawl, the Black Diamond Trophy are two great biproducts of a WVU addition from ESPN's perspective. Heck WVU's recruiting would probably get a boost by playing more local teams. WVU might even be a ratings multiplier for games with Syracuse and BC given the Big East history. 15 in FB, 16 in other sports is a pretty good number.

(08-25-2022 08:28 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

These 3 factors are VERY compelling reasons why ESPN wants the ACC to survive and thrive. ND joining the B1G would mean that ESPN loses all of ND's rights forever. They really, really, really don't want that.

The other most intriguing comment was that ESPN thinks about rivalries much more than markets. I couldn't help but think about adding just WVU - the Backyard Brawl, the Black Diamond Trophy are two great biproducts of a WVU addition from ESPN's perspective. Heck WVU's recruiting would probably get a boost by playing more local teams. WVU might even be a ratings multiplier for games with Syracuse and BC given the Big East history. 15 in FB, 16 in other sports is a pretty good number.

https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/15...8734661634

FOREVER IS A LONG TIME

(08-25-2022 08:28 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

These 3 factors are VERY compelling reasons why ESPN wants the ACC to survive and thrive. ND joining the B1G would mean that ESPN loses all of ND's rights forever. They really, really, really don't want that.

The other most intriguing comment was that ESPN thinks about rivalries much more than markets. I couldn't help but think about adding just WVU - the Backyard Brawl, the Black Diamond Trophy are two great biproducts of a WVU addition from ESPN's perspective. Heck WVU's recruiting would probably get a boost by playing more local teams. WVU might even be a ratings multiplier for games with Syracuse and BC given the Big East history. 15 in FB, 16 in other sports is a pretty good number.

WVU is the only realistic addition that brings multiple potential rivalry games: Pitt, VaTech, Virginia (this is an old one), Syracuse, and I’m sure Miami could be spun into one by the Gameday crew. I remember that one from the 90’s.

I am still bullish on Houston, which is a MEGA market not too far away.

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

caught inaugural episode of packer sans durham ...
felt embarrassed for them ...
bereft of chemistry ...
former unc wr ...
name escapes me ...
perpetuated racial stereotype ...
calling UM convicts ...
strain credulity why don’t you ...
first & last ...

ABORT

(08-25-2022 09:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 08:28 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

These 3 factors are VERY compelling reasons why ESPN wants the ACC to survive and thrive. ND joining the B1G would mean that ESPN loses all of ND's rights forever. They really, really, really don't want that.

The other most intriguing comment was that ESPN thinks about rivalries much more than markets. I couldn't help but think about adding just WVU - the Backyard Brawl, the Black Diamond Trophy are two great biproducts of a WVU addition from ESPN's perspective. Heck WVU's recruiting would probably get a boost by playing more local teams. WVU might even be a ratings multiplier for games with Syracuse and BC given the Big East history. 15 in FB, 16 in other sports is a pretty good number.

WVU is the only realistic addition that brings multiple potential rivalry games: Pitt, VaTech, Virginia (this is an old one), Syracuse, and I’m sure Miami could be spun into one by the Gameday crew. I remember that one from the 90’s.

I am still bullish on Houston, which is a MEGA market not too far away.

I'd love to see the ACC add 4 teams: WVU, Cincinnati, Houston and either Baylor or TCU. I wouldn't mind adding UCF and/or USF, but that would require buy-in from FSU and Miami. At worst those are revenue-neutral wrt the main T1 contract, and all bring new ACCN revenue streams.

(08-25-2022 07:01 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  It's amazing how many non-ACCers hope/believe the ACC is going to die.

It isn't.

Its been that way since before The Big East imploded.
It got old a decade ago but they still drone on…

(08-24-2022 08:02 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...0577195357

This interview was great.

In short - ESPN is so heavily invested in the ACC, quote per Magnus they have "every incentive" to help with ACC revenue.

It's all but guaranteed IMO the ACC and ESPN are going to have new terms to their current deal probably by increasing the number of ACC league games in football and/or basketball.

That looks like one of several options they are looking at.

I have heard that there is a hand shake agreement by the next look in. This look in was all about the ACCN getting Full Distro and increase in Subscriber fees. I think the ACC will be fine IMO

(08-25-2022 09:32 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:01 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  It's amazing how many non-ACCers hope/believe the ACC is going to die.

It isn't.

Its been that way since before The Big East imploded.
It got old a decade ago but they still drone on…

Besides former Big East schools, fans of most Big XII schools not named Texas or OU, as well South Carolina fans seem to relish in this idea (most other outsider fans couldn't care less if the ACC lives or dies).

(08-25-2022 10:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 09:32 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:01 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  It's amazing how many non-ACCers hope/believe the ACC is going to die.

It isn't.

Its been that way since before The Big East imploded.
It got old a decade ago but they still drone on…

Besides former Big East schools, fans of most Big XII schools not named Texas or OU, as well South Carolina fans seem to relish in this idea (most other outsider fans couldn't care less if the ACC lives or dies).

You guys are sensitive to it because it is your conference; but by and large there are a lot of people who want every conference but the one they follow to die. They believe someone else's misfortune is their school's gain. I'm a Cincinnati alum-- I've witnessed a ton of people that want Cincinnati to die, they wanted the original CUSA to die, they wanted the Big East to die, they wanted the AAC to die and now they want the BXII to die. If in 10 years Cincinnati is attached to another conference (as the current trend dictates) there will be scores of people calling for that conference's death too.

(08-25-2022 09:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 08:28 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:29 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't put too much faith in ESPN coming to your rescue.

Whatever they end up doing, it will be the absolute minimum that they can get away with. Mess with them and they'll Big East you.

I tend to agree with you based on their track record. However, there is a few reasons to think things may be different this time:

1. They just lost the Big Ten, and even if they're able to get a slice in the future, it's clear that the B1G no longer cares whether they're on ESPN or not - it's just about the money. Which means it will be expensive. Corollary: ESPN now has reason to fear losing ACC teams to the Big Ten.

2. They are at extreme risk of losing Notre Dame. The Irish are not joining the ACC nor even the SEC in full. That means the only way to keep a piece of ND is to keep the current arrangement going - but that requires a vibrant, competitive ACC. ESPN surely realizes there is some amount of financial gap that makes it impossible for ACC football to compete - and for Notre Dame to justify the 5-game scheduling agreement (they won't play a bunch of scrubs).

3. The ACC Network has become a big money-maker for Disney (to the tune of several hundred million dollars per year). If ACC sports (mainly football and men's basketball) don't remain competitive, people won't watch.

Does any of that mean ESPN will give the ACC an extra $50M per school ($710M per year)? Nope - but they know they don't have to. An extra $10M per school would go a long way ($142M per year).

Will it happen? IDK, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it, either.

These 3 factors are VERY compelling reasons why ESPN wants the ACC to survive and thrive. ND joining the B1G would mean that ESPN loses all of ND's rights forever. They really, really, really don't want that.

The other most intriguing comment was that ESPN thinks about rivalries much more than markets. I couldn't help but think about adding just WVU - the Backyard Brawl, the Black Diamond Trophy are two great biproducts of a WVU addition from ESPN's perspective. Heck WVU's recruiting would probably get a boost by playing more local teams. WVU might even be a ratings multiplier for games with Syracuse and BC given the Big East history. 15 in FB, 16 in other sports is a pretty good number.

WVU is the only realistic addition that brings multiple potential rivalry games: Pitt, VaTech, Virginia (this is an old one), Syracuse, and I’m sure Miami could be spun into one by the Gameday crew. I remember that one from the 90’s.

I am still bullish on Houston, which is a MEGA market not too far away.

To quote the great American Ronald Regan...

THERE YOU GO AGAIN.

UC v Louisville was one of the best rivalries in college sports before ESPN ruined everything.

There's no natural rivalry at all between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh... other than maybe Reds-Pirates and Bengals-Steelers.

UC has played VT in only about 35 bowls games.

Yeah, but WV would be the only one to fit in here. Riiiiiiiight.