S11 at SicEm365 does a great job of comparing apples to apples.

https://twitter.com/baylor_s11/status/15...22945?s=12

its interesting to see all the direct comparisons between the pac and new big12. Lots of people saying either the pac schools
like what they have more now than if some came over to the big 12, or the big12 'has the edge and may look to kill the pac'.

I'm not sure I really get any of that.....the more likely scenario is both are pretty much screwed. A lot of you guys have this idea that's what bad for the pac is good for the big12 and vice versa. I'm not sure I buy into that. I see a lot of scenarios where both the pac and the big12 do very poorly going forward.....lots of scenarios.

Telling quote in the article- "due to games involving Texas and OU taking up most of the best network spots....."

BOOM.

Why is that?

The reality is that there are sometimes fairly juicy games involving schools like Oklahoma State or Baylor or whatever. But 9/10 times(that championship game aside...and hell people just wanted to watch football that weekend pretty much everything did big numbers) those games include Oklahoma State/Baylor/TCU/etc playing you know who.

How many Oklahoma State/Oklahoma games over the last 10 years have been pretty attractive games? I'd say 6-7......

So when people say it's not "just texas and oklahoma....." in terms of what drives interest in big 12 games, they are kinda wrong and
it sorta is. Because Texas and Oklahoma are the neccessary ingredient. *maybe* there is another team involved(after all there is only one RRR each year), but one of the teams has to be the longhorns or the sooners for it to happen.

And hell even one of the *very rare* games every year that does really good numbers where texas or OU wasnt involved they were generally still involved in some way to set it up.(like baylor-Ok State last year....Ok state-Ou the week before really drove the interest in that game).....

Another point is that it's common sense that from a TV perspective Texas and OU leaving was a much bigger blow than USC and UCLA leaving. Why? Well.....mostly because in the big12's case you had 2 major tv brands leaving and in the pac's case you just had 1. I can't think of many 'must watch' or even 'might wanna watch' ucla games in the last half decade. And even with USC, they are surpassed in terms of tv interest some seasons by Oregon over the last 15 years. So while USC definately has bonafides as an anchor program(the pac's only anchor program) and that was a huge blow, it's important to remember that the Big12 lost 2 anchor programs.
2 vs 1 makes a big difference.....

You simply CANNOT overcome the loss of two anchor programs when those are the only two anchor programs you have. It just can't be done.....

(07-29-2022 11:42 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  its interesting to see all the direct comparisons between the pac and new big12. Lots of people saying either the pac schools
like what they have more now than if some came over to the big 12, or the big12 'has the edge and may look to kill the pac'.

I'm not sure I really get any of that.....the more likely scenario is both are pretty much screwed. A lot of you guys have this idea that's what bad for the pac is good for the big12 and vice versa. I'm not sure I buy into that. I see a lot of scenarios where both the pac and the big12 do very poorly going forward.....lots of scenarios.

Telling quote in the article- "due to games involving Texas and OU taking up most of the best network spots....."

BOOM.

Why is that?

The reality is that there are sometimes fairly juicy games involving schools like Oklahoma State or Baylor or whatever. But 9/10 times(that championship game aside...and hell people just wanted to watch football that weekend pretty much everything did big numbers) those games include Oklahoma State/Baylor/TCU/etc playing you know who.

How many Oklahoma State/Oklahoma games over the last 10 years have been pretty attractive games? I'd say 6-7......

So when people say it's not "just texas and oklahoma....." in terms of what drives interest in big 12 games, they are kinda wrong and
it sorta is. Because Texas and Oklahoma are the neccessary ingredient. *maybe* there is another team involved(after all there is only one RRR each year), but one of the teams has to be the longhorns or the sooners for it to happen.

And hell even one of the *very rare* games every year that does really good numbers where texas or OU wasnt involved they were generally still involved in some way to set it up.(like baylor-Ok State last year....Ok state-Ou the week before really drove the interest in that game).....

Another point is that it's common sense that from a TV perspective Texas and OU leaving was a much bigger blow than USC and UCLA leaving. Why? Well.....mostly because in the big12's case you had 2 major tv brands leaving and in the pac's case you just had 1. I can't think of many 'must watch' or even 'might wanna watch' ucla games in the last half decade. And even with USC, they are surpassed in terms of tv interest some seasons by Oregon over the last 15 years. So while USC definately has bonafides as an anchor program(the pac's only anchor program) and that was a huge blow, it's important to remember that the Big12 lost 2 anchor programs.
2 vs 1 makes a big difference.....

You simply CANNOT overcome the loss of two anchor programs when those are the only two anchor programs you have. It just can't be done.....

Lighten up Francis. I suspect your going to find that Oklahoma St is going to thrive in the new Big12. I also am pretty darn sure the Big12 pay check is going to be better than the deal the Pac12 rump gets. As for the 365 numbers---lets not forget that the overall numbers are comparing the Big12 with a conference that has 20% more inventory (12 members vs 10). They SHOULD have a deeper inventory than the Big12. Furthermore---their bottom third of their inventory wasnt on networks that would be counted in Mandels numbers (those ratings turds were hidden away on the Pac12 Network). The Big12 bottom third of inventory was largely still showing up in national networks like FS-1 and ESPN-U). That inventory depth advantage will completely flip 180 degrees into the Big12's favor if the Pac12 decides to stand pat as a 10 team conference. The inventory depth advantage becomes even more stark if the Big12 takes the 4-corners schools to go to 16 teams.

(07-29-2022 11:42 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  You simply CANNOT overcome the loss of two anchor programs when those are the only two anchor programs you have. It just can't be done.....

I don't understand this defeatist, quitter attitude, and I certainly hope the rest of OSUs fanbase isn't equally myopic.

Name brands only carries you so far, it may be the foot in the door, but bad football is bad football, and if your "name" brands are playing bad football (UT, USC, UCLA, etc), you're only given so many chances to draw viewers, and as the season goes on, less and less people care.

I can also tell you that the incoming 3 teams are not viewing winning the B12 conference the same as winning the AAC conference, which has clearly been the best G5 conference. The difference is so great that winning the B12 conference is how we all (BYU included) plan on making a name for themselves, with or without OUT.

All it takes is winning in this conference to be seen as an "anchor program". You make your own future here in the B12.

OSU better be ready to sh*t or get off the pot because if they're not trying to win this thing, they're gonna get run over by others that do want it. But I'm finding it hard to believe any other OSU fans share your attitude.

I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

You can make #s say whatever you want them to say.

(08-01-2022 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can make #s say whatever you want them to say.

5318008

(07-31-2022 08:51 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I don't understand this defeatist, quitter attitude, and I certainly hope the rest of OSUs fanbase isn't equally myopic.

The best explanation I've got is that a lot of schools here have been on the outside looking in, have dealt with the ups and downs of conference realignment... whereas Oklahoma State has been in a good spot almost its entire existence. Yes losing Colorado/Nebraska/A&M/Mizzou are setbacks, but up until now they've never had to contemplate the possibility of being on the outside looking in.

(Baylor fans haven't been on the outside looking in either, but are much cooler. Maybe they have the perspective of having had their lives flash before their eyes during Pac-16 talks and other major shakeups. Oklahoma State was included in almost every big shakeup scenario until suddenly they weren't.)

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

(08-01-2022 04:54 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can make #s say whatever you want them to say.

(531)8008

Trying to pick up chicks?

(08-02-2022 08:36 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

1) So you are saying OK st is not an anchor program, and likely not wanted anywhere anytime soon outside of B12.

2) U are now simply a mid major program with other mid majors.

Ok now understand your fears.

When the BE fell apart, both Cincinnati and UConn fans were pretty sour over it to say the least and I suspect the admins were also that same way. Cincinnati got over it and got to work on getting better while UConn mostly just stewed in self-pity the entire time until it slinked off. Cincinnati just played in the college football playoff and UConn football dropped off the map almost entirely.

I think Oklahoma State will go the way of Cincinnati here, but it's their decision to make.

(08-02-2022 09:35 AM)parialex Wrote:  When the BE fell apart, both Cincinnati and UConn fans were pretty sour over it to say the least and I suspect the admins were also that same way. Cincinnati got over it and got to work on getting better while UConn mostly just stewed in self-pity the entire time until it slinked off. Cincinnati just played in the college football playoff and UConn football dropped off the map almost entirely.

I think Oklahoma State will go the way of Cincinnati here, but it's their decision to make.

You forgot the usf fans that never got over it either, and that’s why they were left behind in this round of realignment.

(08-02-2022 08:36 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

Well maybe don't try to live off the kindness of your big brother. That would help. Or hey maybe build yourself up to be an anchor team. Don't worry UCF will handle that for you shortly if you feel like you can't live up to the task.

(08-02-2022 02:05 PM)knight_02 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 08:36 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

Well maybe don't try to live off the kindness of your big brother. That would help. Or hey maybe build yourself up to be an anchor team. Don't worry UCF will handle that for you shortly if you feel like you can't live up to the task.

The dude is too stupid to realize that he's actually attacking OSU and acknowledging that despite years and years of P5 benefits they were unable to elevate the program to whatever the hell "anchor" status means. Put another way, he's salty because OSU can't ride big brother's coattails anymore and OSU will have to stand on their own two feet and be analyzed on their own merits. He just comes off as stupid desperate and scared.

that's why i'm sure he's not an oklahoma state fan.

(08-02-2022 12:49 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  You forgot the usf fans that never got over it either, and that’s why they were left behind in this round of realignment.

I left them out because I honestly don't remember actually running into any of them online.

Which also explains why they were left behind in this round of realignment...

(08-02-2022 08:36 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

Enough is enough with this clown. Now it is denigrating the school it professes to root for. Anchor? Mid major? Oklahoma State is an anchor, and UC made the playoff last year. Suck on that.

(08-02-2022 12:49 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 09:35 AM)parialex Wrote:  When the BE fell apart, both Cincinnati and UConn fans were pretty sour over it to say the least and I suspect the admins were also that same way. Cincinnati got over it and got to work on getting better while UConn mostly just stewed in self-pity the entire time until it slinked off. Cincinnati just played in the college football playoff and UConn football dropped off the map almost entirely.

I think Oklahoma State will go the way of Cincinnati here, but it's their decision to make.

You forgot the usf fans that never got over it either, and that’s why they were left behind in this round of realignment.

and realignment is a work in process, and it's not at all clear UCF won't be left behind when the dust settles.

(08-02-2022 09:18 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 08:36 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I wouldn't base the entire OSU Athletics desire to win off this one defeatist and supposedly Cowboy supporter.

Im actually more optimistic than most about the 'new big12' over at orange power.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma State fans:
1) don't want to be in a conference without any anchor programs. As that means we aren't in a power conference
2) don't want to be in a conference with as many mid major type programs as the new big 12 has

That said, football is right around the corner and this next year the above 2 problems don't exist. So I guess just living in the present helps....

1) So you are saying OK st is not an anchor program, and likely not wanted anywhere anytime soon outside of B12.

2) U are now simply a mid major program with other mid majors.

Ok now understand your fears.

god the ucf fans here and reading comprehension don't go well together. For the millionth time, yes Oklahoma State is not an anchor program. And no, that doesn't mean they are a mid-major program or that they are completely unwanted. That's a false choice. There is a large in between space between what constitutes an anchor program and what constitutes mid-major type programs. Programs like Oklahoma State are just one example.