(07-08-2022 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well you can't prove those went to Biden. They got dumped in the general pool.

You clearly don't understand the rules of four-dimensional chess, bullet. Those rules clearly state that Donald Trump now gets to declare "checkmate" and reassume his position as the rightful president of our nation.

Yup, this was all foreseen and planned for by that brilliant strategist Donald Trump. The nation is saved!

Dude...

(07-08-2022 04:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 04:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 02:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well you can't prove those went to Biden. They got dumped in the general pool.

You clearly don't understand the rules of four-dimensional chess, bullet. Those rules clearly state that Donald Trump now gets to declare "checkmate" and reassume his position as the rightful president of our nation.

Yup, this was all foreseen and planned for by that brilliant strategist Donald Trump. The nation is saved!

You still dont get it...

what you think is an ideal republican and your idols are what got us to this point. Not President Trump. They rolled over and took it up the ass and they did it because they are just as big of crooks as the swamp on the other side.

But he's a really bad man because he said mean things. You are just as bad as Tommie and those far left progressive posters. Your kind is the real reason we are in this mess. The lack of ability to understand actions and doing the correct thing for this country are more important than saying mean things.

when you pay that $4.50 to $5.00 a gallon for gas and see your 401k -25%. People like You and your idols played the largest role in that

Well Trump sat on his tail and let the Democrats set up the steal. The Democrats were hiring every election lawyer they could find and the Republicans under Trump did nothing. Now maybe many of us couldn't fathom how far the Democrats would go, but Trump was asleep at the switch.

State run elections are not run by the Federal Government. They are run by the states. What was he supposed to do? He isn't a dictator. He told everyone that would listen, the Democrats were going to cheat.

This. It seems to be lost on some otherwise rational people.

(07-08-2022 05:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The man said over and over what the democrats were trying to do and the republican party went right along with them. On everything. What actually could Trump have done to stop it? Now I wasnt listening or reading as much as some on this board so maybe I missed the part on what the President could have done to stop it.

But even with the steal it was those republicans that that believe they are too good and better than everyone else to get into the gutter and fight...put Biden into the White House. Those were quick to get behind the democrats on every false thing they threw at President Trump.

Without that they would have needed lot bigger bags of "mail in" votes to count

I put in bold print the only semi-accurate portion of your post, WKUYG: that you were not paying attention in 2020.

Because if you had been you would have seen countless posts from me (and others) that the election was going to be a lot closer than folks on this forum were saying - - and that the president was in the process of blowing it. And I was right.

What could he have done differently?

—> For starters he could have taken control of COVID and put a stop to the blatantly obvious political ploy that the Democrats were making of it. “Two weeks to flatten the curve” became 10 months of pre-election lockdown and his acquiescence to the reckless changes to the few electoral protections that were in place. But he was just having way too much fun preening in front of the Fauci/Birx press conferences to pay attention to what was happening under his very nose.

—> He also could have paid at least attention to the all-important ground game, and less to the “I love me” rallies. These did nothing but play to his already committed base.

—> He could have prepared for that first debate, Goddammit! How pathetic must one be to get out-debated by a mental turnip?

Yet you and B_Hawk and others all have egos too fragile to admit to anything more than “mean tweets”, as if that is the only thing he did wrong leading up moo the election. So instead you blame Trump’s loss on someone who voted for him.

I used to think you smart, WKUYG, because I was taken in by your flood-the-zone use of stats. But, when you peel things back to the core issues you really are not. You are the conservative counterpoint or Marc Mensa, pretending to be intelligent but really only able to speak on the superficial level.

B_Hawk, you don’t even get the illusion of intelligence.

Dude, you might want to dial it back a hair.

With all this infighting I thought for a minute I'd logged onto a dem forum.

(07-08-2022 06:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 05:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The man said over and over what the democrats were trying to do and the republican party went right along with them. On everything. What actually could Trump have done to stop it? Now I wasnt listening or reading as much as some on this board so maybe I missed the part on what the President could have done to stop it.

But even with the steal it was those republicans that that believe they are too good and better than everyone else to get into the gutter and fight...put Biden into the White House. Those were quick to get behind the democrats on every false thing they threw at President Trump.

Without that they would have needed lot bigger bags of "mail in" votes to count

I put in bold print the only semi-accurate portion of your post, WKUYG: that you were not paying attention in 2020.

Because if you had been you would have seen countless posts from me (and others) that the election was going to be a lot closer than folks on this forum were saying - - and that the president was in the process of blowing it. And I was right.

What could he have done differently?

—> For starters he could have taken control of COVID and put a stop to the blatantly obvious political ploy that the Democrats were making of it. “Two weeks to flatten the curve” became 10 months of pre-election lockdown and his acquiescence to the reckless changes to the few electoral protections that were in place. But he was just having way too much fun preening in front of the Fauci/Birx press conferences to pay attention to what was happening under his very nose.

—> He also could have paid at least attention to the all-important ground game, and less to the “I love me” rallies. These did nothing but play to his already committed base.

—> He could have prepared for that first debate, Goddammit! How pathetic must one be to get out-debated by a mental turnip?

Yet you and B_Hawk and others all have egos too fragile to admit to anything more than “mean tweets”, as if that is the only thing he did wrong leading up moo the election. So instead you blame Trump’s loss on someone who voted for him.

I used to think you smart, WKUYG, because I was taken in by your flood-the-zone use of stats. But, when you peel things back to the core issues you really are not. You are the conservative counterpoint or Marc Mensa, pretending to be intelligent but really only able to speak on the superficial level.

B_Hawk, you don’t even get the illusion of intelligence.

I was paying attention enough to say that the election would come down to the same battleground states as when Trump was elected.

Unlike you I dont think I'm smarter (or better) than anyone else. I still believe you are a smart person but without a lick of common f'ing sense....

that's where we are the most different I know I'm just a common person like most of America. But my best talent and it is a talent is reading other people and having the common sense to think on my own and to separate my feelings from influencing what's important.

I believe I asked this before and either missed or you didnt answer. You spent most of your adult life working in some form of government type of work? Most of those types think they are better than most and not a damn lick of common sense. I'll be shocked if you didnt....

like I said I'm fairly good at reading people

Let me tell you something else that could have happened that trumps all of those things.....

fools like yourself and the entrenched republicans not buying into Russia, Russia, Russia and all the other made up lies they flooded the news with 24/7. Like I said, anyone with a lick of common sense could see through them. Nope those type of idiots got their feeling hurt and nothing else matter. You keep looking for politicians that, what was it that you said you expected? Oh, that's right, gentlemen, and put that trait over everything else. Superficial bullcrap like that tells me you believe you are above us gutter fighters.

edit: btw you expected more out of a man that was getting lied about 24/7 and having his family drugged through the mud and his wife and child being made fun of. Here you are cant handle a little bit of feedback before....

going to the gutter! and name calling. Like I said, you just "think" you are better. What you are is just two face because you couldnt handle 1/1000 of what Trump had to deal with. You cant handle someone telling you that people like you are the reason we have Biden.

Okay, we’ll take this in the order you laid out.

First, I spent two college summers as a non-union employee of my local school district, mostly working security and maintenance depending upon what crap jobs the union guys didn’t feel like doing. Those are the only government positions that I have ever held. So, master of reading other people that you claim to be, you read this one WRONG.

Second, I never bought for one instant the Russian dossier claims or anything associated with them. I challenge you to find a single post of mine lodging that criticism against Donald Trump. It doesn’t exist. The closest that you might come to that is the criticism that he made it so easy for the media and the Democrats to hang that narrative on him. So, yet again the self-proclaimed specialist in reading people is WRONG.

Third, I have enormous sympathy for the unfair treatment dealt to Donald Trump, and have said so many times on this forum. But that is a gutter (your term) with which he is more than familiar. He may be the definition of someone who can dish it out but not take it. Just ask Ted Cruz. Or Mike Pence. Or Bill Barr. Or any number of others who stood by him and got rewarded with a knife in the back. You are not alone on this board in constantly playing violins for poor, mistreated Donald Trump. But by pretending that he didn’t invite that very treatment makes you WRONG.

Fourth, and finally a concession, I do think I’m better than you - - at least to the extent that I will state my position, provide factual support, and not assume things about others. You are so invested in not being shown up as having been so very WRONG about Donald Trump that you will twist any argument to concocted positions that are not even being stated. I don’t do that. At least I don’t think that I do.

(07-08-2022 07:14 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  With all this infighting I thought for a minute I'd logged onto a dem forum.

TigerBlue, you are a good guy. And you know how to have an honest argument. I respect that in you.

As I assume you can tell, this is not my first time ‘round with WKUYG. And I am sick of his b.s.

Trump's biggest problem was that too many establishment republicans would prefer to have Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party.

(07-08-2022 08:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Trump's biggest problem was that too many establishment republicans would prefer to have Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party.

Indeed.

His minor problem was/is that he is a moral dilemma for a significant amount of the GOP voting base. Let’s face it though, the man was a lifelong Democrat, but supported whichever party would best serve his business needs. He was/is not a career politician, and for THAT reason not “polished” in the way the American public has become accustomed to seeing in politicians.

There is no doubt at this point the man is intelligent, it’s mostly just his ways and means that turned a lot of people off to him. The establishment saw him as dangerous to their power over the American public because he had no issue exposing how the public has been taken advantage of.

The fact that Democrat politicians and their voters didn’t hate the man, but widely admired him before he jumped into politics is one of the most amusing phenomenon of the 21st century of American politics.


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(07-08-2022 07:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:14 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  With all this infighting I thought for a minute I'd logged onto a dem forum.

TigerBlue, you are a good guy. And you know how to have an honest argument. I respect that in you.

As I assume you can tell, this is not my first time ‘round with WKUYG. And I am sick of his b.s.

That was some pretty unsavory stuff AM & WKUYG. You two are both being knuckleheads. Surprisingly both of you are spot on in arguments. The biggest problem you both have is neither of you see the enemy clearly because neither study nor understand the leftists means and goals.

I was torched by a liberal in a debate my sophomore year because I kept trying to defend morals and values something left learners use against any decent person. After the debate a Senior who was more of a moderate than a conservative told me your problem is you don’t understand what you are up against. You see the left ideology as wrong but you don’t know what they are really all about until you study their tenets, tendencies, goals and means. He was right. After reading up on all forms leftist ideology and believe me there is more than Karl Marx I began to see what and how they attack. The next debate I was an attack dog and knew exactly how to paint them into a corner and even had a professor trying to argue for them to no avail.

This is where AM is correct. Trump is not a politician and he is clueless to the schemes and deviant behavior the left will use as a means to correcting in their minds an injustice. All perceived on their part. Thus, Trump was woefully under prepared for the onslaught. A second problem Trump had was inexperience and they used it against him relentlessly. Trump selection of personnel didn’t do much either. So, he was an easy target and unless he is willing to do some studying up he will be nothing but cannon fodder for Democrats.

Remember loyalty is not a political trait.

WKUYG you are correct in your assertion that Trump was a difference maker because he didn’t conform to what gets nearly all Republicans sent packing. Most Republican Politicians want you to believe this facade that they are wholesome decent Americans. The problem with that is we all have things in our background that we are not proud of. The left doesn’t care about your reputation and thus make every attempt to paint you as a person not fit for Government. Where Republicans fail is that they are too good to expose their opponents. This is where Trump shines.

Bottom line moving forward Republicans had better start showing some teeth and use the Troy Neal’s playbook on exposing your opponent. Make sure you drive home what their true identity is not gloss over it like that LOSER MITT ROMNEY does. Otherwise our slide into the abyss will speed up.

(07-08-2022 08:46 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Trump's biggest problem was that too many establishment republicans would prefer to have Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party.

Indeed.

His minor problem was/is that he is a moral dilemma for a significant amount of the GOP voting base. Let’s face it though, the man was a lifelong Democrat, but supported whichever party would best serve his business needs. He was/is not a career politician, and for THAT reason not “polished” in the way the American public has become accustomed to seeing in politicians.

There is no doubt at this point the man is intelligent, it’s mostly just his ways and means that turned a lot of people off to him. The establishment saw him as dangerous to their power over the American public because he had no issue exposing how the public has been taken advantage of.

The fact that Democrat politicians and their voters didn’t hate the man, but widely admired him before he jumped into politics is one of the most amusing phenomenon of the 21st century of American politics.


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Reagan was a Democrat.

Was.

Key word.

All I know is Trump worked with the Evangelical community and promised he would appoint conservative judges.

And he kept his promise.

I don't care if he was a Dem, a Libertarian or a Marxist in the past... as long as he puts America first.

What's all this Trump did nothing baloney?

He tried to get state legislatures to not certify their elections. He tried to get the state legislatures to choose different electors. He tried to get Pence to stop the electoral college until this was addressed.

Don't give the Trump didn't do anything crap. If he hadn't we wouldn't be having the Jan 6 hearings.

He did a lot, and it came close enough to working that it rattled the cages of the entire D.C. establishment.

(07-08-2022 08:46 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Trump's biggest problem was that too many establishment republicans would prefer to have Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party.

Indeed.

His minor problem was/is that he is a moral dilemma for a significant amount of the GOP voting base. Let’s face it though, the man was a lifelong Democrat, but supported whichever party would best serve his business needs. He was/is not a career politician, and for THAT reason not “polished” in the way the American public has become accustomed to seeing in politicians.

There is no doubt at this point the man is intelligent, it’s mostly just his ways and means that turned a lot of people off to him. The establishment saw him as dangerous to their power over the American public because he had no issue exposing how the public has been taken advantage of.

The fact that Democrat politicians and their voters didn’t hate the man, but widely admired him before he jumped into politics is one of the most amusing phenomenon of the 21st century of American politics.


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I think most of what you wrote is spot on. His ways and means, driven by his extreme ego (and I think Obama, say, had just as big of one, but didn't wear it on his sleeve to quite the same extent) and his complete lack of political experience and ability to judge people ultimately led to his loss, despite the the rampant cheating in 2020. And those were flaws that were obvious paying attention to the man from the books in the 80s to the failed businesses (I'm not going to buy a steak from a man who likes his well done, nor will I buy a tie from one who doesn't know how to wear one) to his time on The Apprentice.

Where I'll disagree is that I think an awful lot of Dems hated him for the birther crap. To many of them, 0bam0 was the king amongst kings on the black Mount Rushmore, and to question his citizenship was akin to questioning the divinity of Jesus from the other side. That's the only thing I can come up with to explain the utter, visceral hatred of the man. It's not the womanizing (Clinton, JFK), unsavory business dealings (Clintons, Biden) or locker room talk/behavior (LBJ pulling out his c**k in front of reporters, Biden swimming naked in front of female SS agents).

And I'll say this as someone who would enthusiastically vote for the man again if nominated (although I desperately hope for an alternative), but the birther nonsense is the only time I ever felt like Trump was giving a dog whistle to the racist parts of both parties. I never cared where Barry was born, he was a US citizen, qualified to be president due to the fact that his mother was a US citizen. Same deal as McCain. My problem with Barry is that he was raised completely abroad (and I include Hawaii in the abroad category; they share very little in common with the rest of us) and that he was, of course, a communist sympathizer like many on today's left.

(07-08-2022 07:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 05:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The man said over and over what the democrats were trying to do and the republican party went right along with them. On everything. What actually could Trump have done to stop it? Now I wasnt listening or reading as much as some on this board so maybe I missed the part on what the President could have done to stop it.

But even with the steal it was those republicans that that believe they are too good and better than everyone else to get into the gutter and fight...put Biden into the White House. Those were quick to get behind the democrats on every false thing they threw at President Trump.

Without that they would have needed lot bigger bags of "mail in" votes to count

I put in bold print the only semi-accurate portion of your post, WKUYG: that you were not paying attention in 2020.

Because if you had been you would have seen countless posts from me (and others) that the election was going to be a lot closer than folks on this forum were saying - - and that the president was in the process of blowing it. And I was right.

What could he have done differently?

—> For starters he could have taken control of COVID and put a stop to the blatantly obvious political ploy that the Democrats were making of it. “Two weeks to flatten the curve” became 10 months of pre-election lockdown and his acquiescence to the reckless changes to the few electoral protections that were in place. But he was just having way too much fun preening in front of the Fauci/Birx press conferences to pay attention to what was happening under his very nose.

—> He also could have paid at least attention to the all-important ground game, and less to the “I love me” rallies. These did nothing but play to his already committed base.

—> He could have prepared for that first debate, Goddammit! How pathetic must one be to get out-debated by a mental turnip?

Yet you and B_Hawk and others all have egos too fragile to admit to anything more than “mean tweets”, as if that is the only thing he did wrong leading up moo the election. So instead you blame Trump’s loss on someone who voted for him.

I used to think you smart, WKUYG, because I was taken in by your flood-the-zone use of stats. But, when you peel things back to the core issues you really are not. You are the conservative counterpoint or Marc Mensa, pretending to be intelligent but really only able to speak on the superficial level.

B_Hawk, you don’t even get the illusion of intelligence.

I was paying attention enough to say that the election would come down to the same battleground states as when Trump was elected.

Unlike you I dont think I'm smarter (or better) than anyone else. I still believe you are a smart person but without a lick of common f'ing sense....

that's where we are the most different I know I'm just a common person like most of America. But my best talent and it is a talent is reading other people and having the common sense to think on my own and to separate my feelings from influencing what's important.

I believe I asked this before and either missed or you didnt answer. You spent most of your adult life working in some form of government type of work? Most of those types think they are better than most and not a damn lick of common sense. I'll be shocked if you didnt....

like I said I'm fairly good at reading people

Let me tell you something else that could have happened that trumps all of those things.....

fools like yourself and the entrenched republicans not buying into Russia, Russia, Russia and all the other made up lies they flooded the news with 24/7. Like I said, anyone with a lick of common sense could see through them. Nope those type of idiots got their feeling hurt and nothing else matter. You keep looking for politicians that, what was it that you said you expected? Oh, that's right, gentlemen, and put that trait over everything else. Superficial bullcrap like that tells me you believe you are above us gutter fighters.

edit: btw you expected more out of a man that was getting lied about 24/7 and having his family drugged through the mud and his wife and child being made fun of. Here you are cant handle a little bit of feedback before....

going to the gutter! and name calling. Like I said, you just "think" you are better. What you are is just two face because you couldnt handle 1/1000 of what Trump had to deal with. You cant handle someone telling you that people like you are the reason we have Biden.

Okay, we’ll take this in the order you laid out.

First, I spent two college summers as a non-union employee of my local school district, mostly working security and maintenance depending upon what crap jobs the union guys didn’t feel like doing. Those are the only government positions that I have ever held. So, master of reading other people that you claim to be, you read this one WRONG.

Second, I never bought for one instant the Russian dossier claims or anything associated with them. I challenge you to find a single post of mine lodging that criticism against Donald Trump. It doesn’t exist. The closest that you might come to that is the criticism that he made it so easy for the media and the Democrats to hang that narrative on him. So, yet again the self-proclaimed specialist in reading people is WRONG.

Third, I have enormous sympathy for the unfair treatment dealt to Donald Trump, and have said so many times on this forum. But that is a gutter (your term) with which he is more than familiar. He may be the definition of someone who can dish it out but not take it. Just ask Ted Cruz. Or Mike Pence. Or Bill Barr. Or any number of others who stood by him and got rewarded with a knife in the back. You are not alone on this board in constantly playing violins for poor, mistreated Donald Trump. But by pretending that he didn’t invite that very treatment makes you WRONG.

Fourth, and finally a concession, I do think I’m better than you - - at least to the extent that I will state my position, provide factual support, and not assume things about others. You are so invested in not being shown up as having been so very WRONG about Donald Trump that you will twist any argument to concocted positions that are not even being stated. I don’t do that. At least I don’t think that I do.

So you still refusing to say what you did for a living for most of your life. I would bet money your work was very close to some form of government at some level. You think you are using facts but that's only in your mind because Trump has your mind so warped you are another Tommie when it comes to the man.

Your 3 bullet points earlier clearly shows that.

So why dont you tell all of us what the President was suppose to do to stop governors from shutting down their cities and keeping them shutdown? Come on, someone as smart as you must have an answer.

This ground game you are talking about explain it to us, idiots. I mean you are obviously the smartest person on the board.

Like I said, not a damn lick of common sense if you think a debate lost Trump the election.

Trump gained votes (some record highs for a republican) with every group but one....

White middle class republican females that put their damn feelings in front of actions that had this country headed in the correct direction. Not a damn lick of common sense. Just like you, are you female? But in your world a debate is what cost Trump the election. Tell us how a better ground game was going to stop mail in ballots? You know, a 800k lead and at that point with odds of winning that state million to 1. Your lack of common sense is really telling

(07-08-2022 08:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:14 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  With all this infighting I thought for a minute I'd logged onto a dem forum.

TigerBlue, you are a good guy. And you know how to have an honest argument. I respect that in you.

As I assume you can tell, this is not my first time ‘round with WKUYG. And I am sick of his b.s.

That was some pretty unsavory stuff AM & WKUYG. You two are both being knuckleheads. Surprisingly both of you are spot on in arguments. The biggest problem you both have is neither of you see the enemy clearly because neither study nor understand the leftists means and goals.

I was torched by a liberal in a debate my sophomore year because I kept trying to defend morals and values something left learners use against any decent person. After the debate a Senior who was more of a moderate than a conservative told me your problem is you don’t understand what you are up against. You see the left ideology as wrong but you don’t know what they are really all about until you study their tenets, tendencies, goals and means. He was right. After reading up on all forms leftist ideology and believe me there is more than Karl Marx I began to see what and how they attack. The next debate I was an attack dog and knew exactly how to paint them into a corner and even had a professor trying to argue for them to no avail.

This is where AM is correct. Trump is not a politician and he is clueless to the schemes and deviant behavior the left will use as a means to correcting in their minds an injustice. All perceived on their part. Thus, Trump was woefully under prepared for the onslaught. A second problem Trump had was inexperience and they used it against him relentlessly. Trump selection of personnel didn’t do much either. So, he was an easy target and unless he is willing to do some studying up he will be nothing but cannon fodder for Democrats.

Remember loyalty is not a political trait.

WKUYG you are correct in your assertion that Trump was a difference maker because he didn’t conform to what gets nearly all Republicans sent packing. Most Republican Politicians want you to believe this facade that they are wholesome decent Americans. The problem with that is we all have things in our background that we are not proud of. The left doesn’t care about your reputation and thus make every attempt to paint you as a person not fit for Government. Where Republicans fail is that they are too good to expose their opponents. This is where Trump shines.

Bottom line moving forward Republicans had better start showing some teeth and use the Troy Neal’s playbook on exposing your opponent. Make sure you drive home what their true identity is not gloss over it like that LOSER MITT ROMNEY does. Otherwise our slide into the abyss will speed up.

I agree with every point made in this post - - including the part about me taking things too far with WKUYG. My apologies to the board in general for doing that.

+3, BD.

(07-09-2022 05:49 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:14 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  With all this infighting I thought for a minute I'd logged onto a dem forum.

TigerBlue, you are a good guy. And you know how to have an honest argument. I respect that in you.

As I assume you can tell, this is not my first time ‘round with WKUYG. And I am sick of his b.s.

That was some pretty unsavory stuff AM & WKUYG. You two are both being knuckleheads. Surprisingly both of you are spot on in arguments. The biggest problem you both have is neither of you see the enemy clearly because neither study nor understand the leftists means and goals.

I was torched by a liberal in a debate my sophomore year because I kept trying to defend morals and values something left learners use against any decent person. After the debate a Senior who was more of a moderate than a conservative told me your problem is you don’t understand what you are up against. You see the left ideology as wrong but you don’t know what they are really all about until you study their tenets, tendencies, goals and means. He was right. After reading up on all forms leftist ideology and believe me there is more than Karl Marx I began to see what and how they attack. The next debate I was an attack dog and knew exactly how to paint them into a corner and even had a professor trying to argue for them to no avail.

This is where AM is correct. Trump is not a politician and he is clueless to the schemes and deviant behavior the left will use as a means to correcting in their minds an injustice. All perceived on their part. Thus, Trump was woefully under prepared for the onslaught. A second problem Trump had was inexperience and they used it against him relentlessly. Trump selection of personnel didn’t do much either. So, he was an easy target and unless he is willing to do some studying up he will be nothing but cannon fodder for Democrats.

Remember loyalty is not a political trait.

WKUYG you are correct in your assertion that Trump was a difference maker because he didn’t conform to what gets nearly all Republicans sent packing. Most Republican Politicians want you to believe this facade that they are wholesome decent Americans. The problem with that is we all have things in our background that we are not proud of. The left doesn’t care about your reputation and thus make every attempt to paint you as a person not fit for Government. Where Republicans fail is that they are too good to expose their opponents. This is where Trump shines.

Bottom line moving forward Republicans had better start showing some teeth and use the Troy Neal’s playbook on exposing your opponent. Make sure you drive home what their true identity is not gloss over it like that LOSER MITT ROMNEY does. Otherwise our slide into the abyss will speed up.

I agree with every point made in this post - - including the part about me taking things too far with WKUYG. My apologies to the board in general for doing that.

+3, BD.

(07-08-2022 09:54 PM)Claw Wrote:  What's all this Trump did nothing baloney?

He tried to get state legislatures to not certify their elections. He tried to get the state legislatures to choose different electors. He tried to get Pence to stop the electoral college until this was addressed.

Don't give the Trump didn't do anything crap. If he hadn't we wouldn't be having the Jan 6 hearings.

He did a lot, and it came close enough to working that it rattled the cages of the entire D.C. establishment.

They were rattled because they just didn’t want him to win. The left manufactured a win and everybody knew it and still knows it. For them to get busted cheating, it would have set the world on fire so they had to turn their heads. The odds of Trump losing Pennsylvania, Ohio, Georgia, Michigan and Arizona were over a billion to 1 at midnight on election night. It’s mathematically impossible. If it were a DNA court case and there were a billion + to one odds against a defendant, it’s over.

Trump knew it and so did everyone in Washington.

I’m sure you’ve all had more than your fill of my opinions on the subject, so I’ll instead offer up selected segments from a WSJ editorial from this morning:

Quote:Judges are unlikely to throw out legitimate votes after the fact.

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If Mr. Trump was so opposed to drop boxes, why didn’t he bring a claim earlier in 2020, when the WEC memos were issued?

Former Attorney General Bill Barr told a podcast recently that Mr. Trump was duly warned to get solid lawyers working to defend business-as-usual voting processes.

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“He ignored that advice…. So a lot of these, bending of the playing field, were his own fault.”

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsin-d...opin_pos_1

I'm not sure exactly Trump should've done differently. He took this issue to various courts and fought to the bitter end. I can be critical of Trump for many things, but being a 'do-nothing-quitter' wasn't one of them.

Yup. Like the Paul Newman character in "Cool Hand Luke" (one of the best movies ever made), Donald Trump took punch after punch and kept getting up. He never quit, and as a result earned the respect of the George Kennedy character and pretty much everyone else in the prison camp.

But (and spoiler alert), things did not work out so well in the end for never-quit protagonist nor for those who followed him.

(07-09-2022 07:01 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

Quote:Judges are unlikely to throw out legitimate votes after the fact.

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsin-d...opin_pos_1

Judges are unlikely to throwout ANY votes after the fact. Secret ballot rules make it difficult to impossible to separate legitimate from fraudulent votes after the fact.

(07-09-2022 08:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I'm not sure exactly Trump should've done differently. He took this issue to various courts and fought to the bitter end. I can be critical of Trump for many things, but being a 'do-nothing-quitter' wasn't one of them.

What should have happened is that all the efforts to tear down the few election integrity controls that we have during the summer of 2020 should have been challenged all the way to the Supreme Court before the election. After is too late to do anything.