(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

(07-05-2022 06:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 05:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  duren committed aug 6, 2021
bates committed aug 25, 2021

They played summer ball together. I could be wrong but I’m not sure we would have gotten one without the other.

We already had Duren

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers also had a dad that was meddling

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

You can only start five so coach cannot promise everyone they would start.

Sounds like coach is telling them what they want to hear in order to get them to sign and then ignoring his promise.

(07-05-2022 07:15 PM)passat25 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 04:01 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  a few more quotes of interest from the article:

“I wouldn’t say it was always (Nolley) and (Bates). It probably started with (them) a couple times, because I think (Nolley) was probably the first one who went at (Bates),” a source said. “But it wasn’t always just those two. It really just depended on who said something.”

Once the games began, another multiyear member of the Tigers took issue with the dynamic between Bates and Hardaway.

“Lester told (Hardaway), ‘When I hit a shot, the ball goes around and goes other places. As soon as Emoni makes one, you go to him five times in a row,’” another source said.

We all knew this stuff by now.. but now I know why Lester left.. Penny run off a lot of his players by siding with Bates early on.. Lester could have played one more year.

Lester left because he received good reviews from NBA scouts. He just signed a contract that should pay him around $500k this year.

But carry-on with the narrative...

(07-06-2022 09:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  You can only start five so coach cannot promise everyone they would start.

Sounds like coach is telling them what they want to hear in order to get them to sign and then ignoring his promise.

That happens in collegiate athletics? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!

This ungentlemanly activity must stop and stop now!

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.

Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

The only transfer I'm really disappointed about is Camden.

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

Sounds like the wife / gf.

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Penny blamed Nolley for not embracing Emoni & held it against him all year.

Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

(07-06-2022 10:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 07:15 PM)passat25 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 04:01 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  a few more quotes of interest from the article:

“I wouldn’t say it was always (Nolley) and (Bates). It probably started with (them) a couple times, because I think (Nolley) was probably the first one who went at (Bates),” a source said. “But it wasn’t always just those two. It really just depended on who said something.”

Once the games began, another multiyear member of the Tigers took issue with the dynamic between Bates and Hardaway.

“Lester told (Hardaway), ‘When I hit a shot, the ball goes around and goes other places. As soon as Emoni makes one, you go to him five times in a row,’” another source said.

We all knew this stuff by now.. but now I know why Lester left.. Penny run off a lot of his players by siding with Bates early on.. Lester could have played one more year.

Lester left because he received good reviews from NBA scouts. He just signed a contract that should pay him around $500k this year.

But carry-on with the narrative...

At the end of the year, he was sure LQ was coming back.

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Nolly can make him pay for that this year.[/i]

I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

(07-06-2022 02:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I suppose, but it just reinforces how dysfunctional the team was last year & why they underachieved the first half of the season. It wasn’t until Emoni’s feigned back injury that the squad rallied & finally played like they were capable.
Penny blamed his players yet it was his leadership that led to that situation. He should have apologized to Landers & encouraged him to return… that’s leadership. Recognize the mistake… grow… then move on. I applaud Penny for recognizing the Emoni experiment was a mistake, but it was caused not by Emoni or Landers but by his leadership.

Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

Penny was never coming as an assistant

(07-06-2022 02:56 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Landers wasn't as innocent as you make him out to be

Very high maintenance.

Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

Penny was never coming as an assistant

Well, he certainly would have benefited from being an assistant…

(07-06-2022 04:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:56 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 10:41 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Very high maintenance.

Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

Penny was never coming as an assistant

Well, he certainly would have benefited from being an assistant…

He played for and had been around 10,000,0000000,0000 assistant and head coaches since he could walk----I bet he got it .

(07-06-2022 04:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 04:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:56 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

Penny was never coming as an assistant

Well, he certainly would have benefited from being an assistant…

He played for and had been around 10,000,0000000,0000 assistant and head coaches since he could walk----I bet he got it .

Clearly he didn't - look at some of the moves he made. I think he probably has it NOW but there was definitely a lot of learning on the job going on.

(07-06-2022 04:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 04:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:56 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 02:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 12:40 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Wasn’t just Landers. DeAndre and Lester were involved, too. Things were super dysfunctional right before Christmas— and as others have mentioned, much of it was Hardaway’s doing.

Hopefully he is learning as a coach.
Relationship with assistants
Relationship with players
Relationship with the media
NCAA compliance
Have all been issues. You learn to navigate these things as an assistant coach. This has been a steep learning curve on multiple fronts

Probably would have been waaaaaaay better off with Brown as HC for 3-4 years and Penny as his understudy - then taken over as HC. Didn't happen that way.

Penny was never coming as an assistant

Well, he certainly would have benefited from being an assistant…

He played for and had been around 10,000,0000000,0000 assistant and head coaches since he could walk----I bet he got it .

Being exceptional as a player doesn’t make a guy a good manager or coach… oftentimes, it just the opposite.