I do not have a CA subscription & was just curious of the gist of the article.

yes, it was pretty fascinating...

During one early season practice session, coaches divided the team in two, pitting Nolley, Josh Minott, John Camden, Chandler Lawson and Johnathan Lawson against Bates, Alex Lomax, Jalen Duren — who landed with the Detroit Pistons after the NBA draft last month — DeAndre Williams and Lester Quinones. Sources said Nolley’s team ran away with the scrimmage, which became so heated that Bates lost his cool.

One source called it a “meltdown” with Bates yelling and throwing basketballs at the wall.

“Oh yeah, that happened,” another source said.

Another contributing factor, according to a source, was Bates’ frustration with the tenor of Nolley’s trash-talk, which the source labeled as “personal.”

I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I’m glad he’s no longer around

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

Oh, I agree with you Marc. In the article it was pointed out that it was confirmed by his sources. So, I just wanted you to know it was in print.

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

IT seems he was given\substituted time to get better. He didnt have to earn it via practice like others

(07-05-2022 02:03 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  Oh, I agree with you Marc. In the article it was pointed out that it was confirmed by his sources. So, I just wanted you to know it was in print.

Much obliged… Thanks!

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

If that is true then shame on Penny - he's been around plenty long enough to know better than to do something like that.....

(07-05-2022 03:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

If that is true then shame on Penny - he's been around plenty long enough to know better than to do something like that.....

He pretty much had too. If he would have never started Bates then there would be uproar from the fans and media questioning Coach Hardaway. Luckily we saw him play first and it was the opposite reaction.

(07-05-2022 03:13 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 03:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

If that is true then shame on Penny - he's been around plenty long enough to know better than to do something like that.....

He pretty much had too. If he would have never started Bates then there would be uproar from the fans and media questioning Coach Hardaway. Luckily we saw him play first and it was the opposite reaction.

Hardaways teams...

If he wanted to bring him off the bench he cold have. (Unless other promises were made)

a few more quotes of interest from the article:

“I wouldn’t say it was always (Nolley) and (Bates). It probably started with (them) a couple times, because I think (Nolley) was probably the first one who went at (Bates),” a source said. “But it wasn’t always just those two. It really just depended on who said something.”

Once the games began, another multiyear member of the Tigers took issue with the dynamic between Bates and Hardaway.

“Lester told (Hardaway), ‘When I hit a shot, the ball goes around and goes other places. As soon as Emoni makes one, you go to him five times in a row,’” another source said.

(07-05-2022 03:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 03:13 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 03:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

If that is true then shame on Penny - he's been around plenty long enough to know better than to do something like that.....

He pretty much had too. If he would have never started Bates then there would be uproar from the fans and media questioning Coach Hardaway. Luckily we saw him play first and it was the opposite reaction.

Hardaways teams...

If he wanted to bring him off the bench he cold have. (Unless other promises were made)

Emoni probably wouldn’t have come here to come off the bench. I completely agree with you that he should have. The fact that he wasn’t good enough yet was what caused the issue. When Penny saw that in practice, he should have made adjustments.

I’ve seen this same thing play out in youth sports. If you’re gonna bring someone in, they have to be better/significantly better than the players getting bumped. Otherwise, the coach looks like an idiot (and will ultimately lose players). Just be honest with everyone.

(07-05-2022 03:13 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 03:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:32 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  I am in agreement that it was fascinating. It went on to say that there was an undercurrent of sentiment that Bates was shown favoritism over both Lester and Landers, and there was some pushback from those two (but not limited to just them).

I think it was obvious from the outset. Emoni was handed a starting role without earning it & it killed team morale.

If that is true then shame on Penny - he's been around plenty long enough to know better than to do something like that.....

He pretty much had too. If he would have never started Bates then there would be uproar from the fans and media questioning Coach Hardaway. Luckily we saw him play first and it was the opposite reaction.

Exactly. The entire world had Bates as the next KD the previous year. If Penny had him coming off the bench there would have been an uproar. As Penny gets experience he will make less of these mistakes

The agreement to bring in Bates most assuredly required Penny to start him & play him “x” amount of minutes. Obviously, the arrangement was a terrible decision for both Penny & Emoni; but it did likely landed us Duren.

duren committed aug 6, 2021
bates committed aug 25, 2021

(07-05-2022 05:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  duren committed aug 6, 2021
bates committed aug 25, 2021

They played summer ball together. I could be wrong but I’m not sure we would have gotten one without the other.

(07-05-2022 04:01 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  a few more quotes of interest from the article:

“I wouldn’t say it was always (Nolley) and (Bates). It probably started with (them) a couple times, because I think (Nolley) was probably the first one who went at (Bates),” a source said. “But it wasn’t always just those two. It really just depended on who said something.”

Once the games began, another multiyear member of the Tigers took issue with the dynamic between Bates and Hardaway.

“Lester told (Hardaway), ‘When I hit a shot, the ball goes around and goes other places. As soon as Emoni makes one, you go to him five times in a row,’” another source said.

We all knew this stuff by now.. but now I know why Lester left.. Penny run off a lot of his players by siding with Bates early on.. Lester could have played one more year.

It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

(07-05-2022 10:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would have been nice having Nolley back this year.

Well, he will be playing for Cincinnati and will probably go for 20 against Memphis.