(06-15-2022 02:55 PM)MickMack Wrote: I saw $6.89 at the Chevron down the street in Laguna Beach. Cheapest I've seen over the last few weeks was around $6.20.
You'll use a quarter of a tank of gas to find a parking spot in Laguna Beach. lol
(06-15-2022 02:55 PM)MickMack Wrote: I saw $6.89 at the Chevron down the street in Laguna Beach. Cheapest I've seen over the last few weeks was around $6.20.
You'll use a quarter of a tank of gas to find a parking spot in Laguna Beach. lol
You aren't kidding brother. I usually have luck with the Glenneyre garage but if that's full you're probably SOL. Worth it for the beach and food scene there though.
I love the dummies who buy a Tesla or Rivian and think we're the idiots for buying a gas vehicle for half the price with the same creature comforts and utility and a gas vs. electricity break-even point of like 20 years.
I was spending over $400 a month back in 2014 commuting in a Ford Focus that got 40 mpg. I commute 70 miles to work each way highway driving. Bought a Tesla model S in 2014 and traded it in for a new model S in 2018. I love the car. I am grandfathered into free supercharging and my work has a charger so I essentially do not even have to pay for electricity to charge it.
Everyone is different. If I was driving the ford focus with current gas prices, I would be paying over $1000 a month in gas. So for me, the break even point actually was the day I drove the tesla off the lot, not in 20 years.
A 70 mile commute is ludicrous, but that's just me.
So using your example for a person looking at new cars (rather than with a trade-in and a grandfathered sweetheart deal), a Ford Focus runs in the mid $20k range new, and a new Model S is running $110,000 (minus $7,000 tax credit). In order to make up that difference with free charging, you're looking at needing to use that Model S for 7 years or so before you see a savings, and that is without any maintenance, the much higher insurance charges, etc. to factor in. That's why I made the comment...and if you actually have to pay for charging like any new switch-over, you're looking at a break even of a decade at least vs. a car running at a $50,000 retail with comparable amenities. Considering the life of most batteries in cars being around 7-10 years nowadays if you're lucky, you're going to be chasing your tail...even moreso with 37,000 miles on the odo every year just from your commute. The Model 3 has a much better payoff calendar, but even then, you're looking at 4-5 years to see any savings at all.
Like you said, everyone is different about money. I have paid for my last two vehicles in cash, so I am absolutely not the target demo for their "you save money by switching" marketing piece.
Your numbers are off a little. Model S starts at $91k with tax credit. Ford focus not in production anymore. Anything close to 40mpg is either hybrid or full EV as well. Those are not in the mid $20's. A car in the mid $20's has mpg in the mid 20s as well. Maintenence is not bad, in fact very few moving parts so really no real maintence. My battery has no degradation over the past 5 years and has a very solid unlimited mile long term warranty. Car insurance is actually same price as my focus for some strange reason.
So gas savings of $12k per year X 5 years is about $60k......so it's being equal. However, everyone is different, you like to pay cash....... but someone financing won't really feel the monetary difference. So with that being said, much rather drive a Tesla S.
(06-15-2022 02:55 PM)MickMack Wrote: I saw $6.89 at the Chevron down the street in Laguna Beach. Cheapest I've seen over the last few weeks was around $6.20.
You'll use a quarter of a tank of gas to find a parking spot in Laguna Beach. lol
You aren't kidding brother. I usually have luck with the Glenneyre garage but if that's full you're probably SOL. Worth it for the beach and food scene there though.
Stunning coastline and cliffs. Food is fantastic for sure.
I love the dummies who buy a Tesla or Rivian and think we're the idiots for buying a gas vehicle for half the price with the same creature comforts and utility and a gas vs. electricity break-even point of like 20 years.
I love the dummies who buy a Tesla or Rivian and think we're the idiots for buying a gas vehicle for half the price with the same creature comforts and utility and a gas vs. electricity break-even point of like 20 years.
(06-16-2022 09:03 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote: We've been holding between $4.87-$4.92 in SWFL for the past week.
Which is strange considering Florida has no refineries and actually ships all gasoline from the gulf to their ports. You would think they should be higher than the national average.
(06-14-2022 08:34 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Just saw this on the news. Gas prices in Vegas. This was from a segment showing the cheapest price in each area of the valley as of 6-14-22. This is from the southwest.
It won't be long before tap-water costs that much in Las Vegas. Ditto a kilowatt-hour of electricity. A metro of 2.8 million people in that environment makes no sense at all. Never has, actually.
(06-14-2022 08:34 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Just saw this on the news. Gas prices in Vegas. This was from a segment showing the cheapest price in each area of the valley as of 6-14-22. This is from the southwest.
It won't be long before tap-water costs that much in Las Vegas. Ditto a kilowatt-hour of electricity. A metro of 2.8 million people in that environment makes no sense at all. Never has, actually.
I was just out there, and you can tell the locals are starting to really worry about how much longer they'll be able to live out there. I'm thinking by the tail-end of my lifetime Vegas will be a thing of the past unless we somehow develop a way to make water out of thin air.
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(06-15-2022 04:02 PM)otown Wrote: Your numbers are off a little. Model S starts at $91k with tax credit. Ford focus not in production anymore. Anything close to 40mpg is either hybrid or full EV as well. Those are not in the mid $20's. A car in the mid $20's has mpg in the mid 20s as well. Maintenence is not bad, in fact very few moving parts so really no real maintence. My battery has no degradation over the past 5 years and has a very solid unlimited mile long term warranty. Car insurance is actually same price as my focus for some strange reason.
So gas savings of $12k per year X 5 years is about $60k......so it's being equal. However, everyone is different, you like to pay cash....... but someone financing won't really feel the monetary difference. So with that being said, much rather drive a Tesla S.
That is kind of wild considering the difference in price...you'd have to think all of the cooked in safe-driving features bring that down a ton.
(06-14-2022 08:34 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Just saw this on the news. Gas prices in Vegas. This was from a segment showing the cheapest price in each area of the valley as of 6-14-22. This is from the southwest.
It won't be long before tap-water costs that much in Las Vegas. Ditto a kilowatt-hour of electricity. A metro of 2.8 million people in that environment makes no sense at all. Never has, actually.
I was just out there, and you can tell the locals are starting to really worry about how much longer they'll be able to live out there. I'm thinking by the tail-end of my lifetime Vegas will be a thing of the past unless we somehow develop a way to make water out of thin air.
clt says you can make water from the air, but you need humidity. not great for vegas
(06-14-2022 08:34 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Just saw this on the news. Gas prices in Vegas. This was from a segment showing the cheapest price in each area of the valley as of 6-14-22. This is from the southwest.
It won't be long before tap-water costs that much in Las Vegas. Ditto a kilowatt-hour of electricity. A metro of 2.8 million people in that environment makes no sense at all. Never has, actually.
Water from Lake Mead goes to California, Arizona, Nevada, and Mexico. Lake Powell water goes to California, Arizona, and Nevada. Lake Mead is downstream from Lake Powell.
This isn't just a Las Vegas problem. Far from it. Most of the people moving here are from California. Blaming Las Vegas for the problem of Lake Mead water levels going down is a myopic viewpoint of the problem. A multi-variable analysis of the situation is needed in order to properly come up with a rational solution to the problem.
If all you have is a hammer as a tool, then everything looks like a nail. Blaming one place that's 1/15th of the population that gets that water doesn't fix the problem.
Edit: Lake Mead supplies water to 25 million people. Lake Powell supplies water to 40 million people. That's 65 million people. Las Vegas metro is 2.85 million. That's 4.3 % of the water from those two lakes. So, wiping out Vegas with a nuclear bomb won't solve the problem. You guys from the rust belt should let us figure out the water problem in the southwest.
On top of that, Lake Powell which is controlled by the government is holding back on releasing water for more hydro power. Looks like electric cars are stealing our water.
(06-15-2022 04:02 PM)otown Wrote: Your numbers are off a little. Model S starts at $91k with tax credit. Ford focus not in production anymore. Anything close to 40mpg is either hybrid or full EV as well. Those are not in the mid $20's. A car in the mid $20's has mpg in the mid 20s as well. Maintenence is not bad, in fact very few moving parts so really no real maintence. My battery has no degradation over the past 5 years and has a very solid unlimited mile long term warranty. Car insurance is actually same price as my focus for some strange reason.
So gas savings of $12k per year X 5 years is about $60k......so it's being equal. However, everyone is different, you like to pay cash....... but someone financing won't really feel the monetary difference. So with that being said, much rather drive a Tesla S.
That is kind of wild considering the difference in price...you'd have to think all of the cooked in safe-driving features bring that down a ton.
Not really. I used to have a fun weekend car about 8 years ago, an Audi R8. Insurance for that exotic was not that far off, but the premium was not listed as a primary car and was low mileage.
(06-15-2022 04:02 PM)otown Wrote: Your numbers are off a little. Model S starts at $91k with tax credit. Ford focus not in production anymore. Anything close to 40mpg is either hybrid or full EV as well. Those are not in the mid $20's. A car in the mid $20's has mpg in the mid 20s as well. Maintenence is not bad, in fact very few moving parts so really no real maintence. My battery has no degradation over the past 5 years and has a very solid unlimited mile long term warranty. Car insurance is actually same price as my focus for some strange reason.
So gas savings of $12k per year X 5 years is about $60k......so it's being equal. However, everyone is different, you like to pay cash....... but someone financing won't really feel the monetary difference. So with that being said, much rather drive a Tesla S.
That is kind of wild considering the difference in price...you'd have to think all of the cooked in safe-driving features bring that down a ton.
Not really. I used to have a fun weekend car about 8 years ago, an Audi R8. Insurance for that exotic was not that far off, but the premium was not listed as a primary car and was low mileage.
So...not a daily commuter as was stated in the initial analogy which I thought you were referring to?
(06-16-2022 09:03 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote: We've been holding between $4.87-$4.92 in SWFL for the past week.
Which is strange considering Florida has no refineries and actually ships all gasoline from the gulf to their ports. You would think they should be higher than the national average.
I actually saw gas between $4.79 and $4.85 per gallon on my way to work today. Could the volume shipped be more cost effective than trucking it or moving it via pipeline? I don't know, but I know it was nice that the shortage when the pipeline went down didn't really affect us outside of the people "panic-buying" due to news headlines.
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