A week after two of his most embarrassing defeats of the 2022 primary season thus far (Governor Brian Kemp over former Senator David Perdue 73.7% to 21.9%; Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger re-nominated with 52.1% of the vote), Donald Trump is now attempting to cast doubt on the Georgia primary results -

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status...C5rZc6_QJQ

Here's the original article that Trump referenced -

https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/someth...eorgia?s=r

Nobody should be surprised at this point when Trump cries foul at any election that doesn't go his way, it started in the very first one when he claimed Ted Cruz cheated in the 2016 Iowa caucus -

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...w-election

By all means GOP, keep following your big orange leader down the road to ruin! Trump 2024 and a campaign centered on his bruised ego and attempting to relitigate the 2020 election are our best shot at keeping the White House.

Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

lol...

Seriously


If my team went 55-8 for the course of the season chances are they'll be playing for the championship.

I can't believe Raffensberger won.

Bunch of Dems must have voted in the Republican primary.

Trump's favorite, Herschel Walker, won overwhelmingly.

Perdue ran only on the 2020 election. Just a horrible campaign. And Kemp skewered him by pointing out how Perdue never asked for a recount.

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

Let's get real here about Trump's so- called great record. While he's probably helped pull some primary candidates across the finish lines, he's also backed a number of heavy favorites too. So his stats are surely padded. I'm not saying he has zero influence on the GOP; however, I am saying that Trump is not above picking damn near guaranteed wins so that he looks good in people's eyes.

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

I believe its like 78-3 or 78-4.

(05-31-2022 12:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

Let's get real here about Trump's so- called great record. While he's probably helped pull some primary candidates across the finish lines, he's also backed a number of heavy favorites too. So his stats are surely padded. I'm not saying he has zero influence on the GOP; however, I am saying that Trump is not above picking damn near guaranteed wins so that he looks good in people's eyes.

To be fair---he's backed the people who support his views. Some were favorites when he selected them, some were not. In some places where he lost---all the primary candidates claimed they were Trump supporters. So---Trumps views actually won despite his chosen candidate losing. Here is the thing---its not so much that Trump is telling the Republican Party which direction to go---its more that Trump is one of the first GOP leaders since Reagan who understands and espouses what most of the Republican Party membership already believes. More importantly----when push came to shove---he fought for every campaign promise he made. He didnt accomplish them all---but at least he actually fought like the dickens for every one of them.

(05-31-2022 12:41 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

I believe its like 78-3 or 78-4.

Im sure your correct. I had heard the number---but couldnt recall the exact figure off the top of my head. I just remember it was an outrageous winning percentage.

(05-31-2022 12:01 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  A week after two of his most embarrassing defeats of the 2022 primary season thus far (Governor Brian Kemp over former Senator David Perdue 73.7% to 21.9%; Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger re-nominated with 52.1% of the vote), Donald Trump is now attempting to cast doubt on the Georgia primary results

Even the third place candidate, the "Jesus. Guns. Babies." lady, is refusing to admit defeat.

Quote:A candidate for the GOP nomination for governor of Georgia refused to concede defeat even though she received only 3.4% of the vote on Tuesday.

Kandiss Taylor, a strong supporter of former President Donald Trump, came third in the race.

She received significantly fewer votes than David Perdue, who had Trump's formal endorsement, and incumbent Gov. Brian Kemp, who won by 73.7% and secured the nomination.

After the results were clear, Taylor complained that the election was "rigged" against her, The Daily Beast reported.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lo...ede-2022-5

(05-31-2022 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

Let's get real here about Trump's so- called great record. While he's probably helped pull some primary candidates across the finish lines, he's also backed a number of heavy favorites too. So his stats are surely padded. I'm not saying he has zero influence on the GOP; however, I am saying that Trump is not above picking damn near guaranteed wins so that he looks good in people's eyes.

To be fair---he's backed the people who support his views. Some were favorites when he selected them, some were not. In some places where he lost---all the primary candidates claimed they were Trump supporters. So---Trumps views actually won despite his chosen candidate losing. Here is the thing---its not so much that Trump is telling the Republican Party which direction to go---its more that Trump is one of the first GOP leaders since Reagan who understands what most of the Republican Party membership already believes.

Yes, Trump's views won overall and to your point even those who didn't get his endorsement tried to link themselves to Trump. The concern I have is a guy like Trump may make life difficult down the road for the message he started us with if his ego doesn't get stroked enough.

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

To be clear, I am certainly not suggesting Trump's endorsement is a negative. Maybe in a blue state in the general election, but not in a Republican primary anywhere. I think for a GOP primary his endorsement is worth more than any other endorsement in US politics currently, and maybe ever.

But looking at these embarrassing defeats, and his impressive wins & losses, do start to show its limits. His gaudy overall record doesn't tell us a lot, as most of those endorsements are "safe" incumbent races with nominal opposition, or even unopposed. So far it appears to me that his endorsement is most valuable in a close, multi-candidate race where it may propel his candidate to outright victory, or a very close loss. His impressive wins -

Ohio Senate - the most impressive performance thus far, JD Vance was polling 3rd or 4th before Trump stepped in

Pennsylvania Senate - Dr. Oz remains ahead for now, even if he loses it will be very close. Given the margins it is highly improbable he did this well if not for the Trump factor

Trump has also had a couple of what I would call "impressive losses", where his problematic candidates did not win but likely came far closer than they could have without his support -

Nebraska Governor - this was a race like OH & PA, close with multiple candidates, where Trump's endorsement would likely have propelled Herbster to victory if not for the multiple accusations of sexual harassment. He still came in 2nd and only lost by 4 points. Trump did a rally here so he was quite invested, but to me coming in a respectable second with such a flawed candidate is a testimony to the power of his endorsement rather than an emabarrassment.

NC House 11th District - Trump "endorsed" scandal-plagued Madison Cawthorn, but not as vigorously as others and he did not hold a rally here. He did put out a call for Cawthorn to be given a 2nd chance, but not until the day before the election. Cawthorn ended up losing by less than 2 points so Trump probably could have carried him over the finish line if he had gotten more personally involved. Without the Trump seal of approval I doubt Cawthorn would have kept it so close.

And finally we have the embarrassing losses, all cases where a Trump endorsed candidate failed to dislodge an incumbent. In the two GA races the only rationale Trump offered against the incumbents was the failure to back his Big Lie, perhaps also showing that most GOP voters are ready to move on and focus on current events -

Idaho Governor - I still don't know why Trump got involved in this one, but he did. Crazy Lt. Governor Janice McGeachin lost by 20 points to incumbent Governor Brad Little after mismanaging the budget of her office and abolishing all Covid public health measures every time the Governor left the state, only to have him return and overrule her. Trump wisely did not hold a rally here, which wasn't going to make up that kind of gap and would only have further tied him to the loser.

Georgia Governor - Trump was all-in on unseating Governor Kemp and got flat out embarrassed, with his candidate losing by over 50 points. The last polling indicated Kemp would likely beat Perdue without a runoff, but his final margin was considerably higher than expected.

Georgia Secretary of State - Again, Trump was all about defeating the SOS who declined to "find" those 11,780 votes and endorsed sitting Congressman Jody Hice to do so. Once given up for dead, the last polling indicated that SOS Raffensperger would likely make it to a runoff with Hice but ultimately he narrowly won re-nomination outright.

Maybe others were following other races too that I didn't highlight that would tell us more about the power of Trump's endorsement? It will be interesting to see if these patterns hold through the rest of the primary season, there are at least a couple very interesting ones left to come, and I expect mixed results for Trump -

Wyoming House - Trump is all-in for Harriet Hageman, who is likely to defeat Liz Cheney. Likely not enough Democrats in Wyoming to make a difference even if they all changed parties to vote for Cheney, and many of them likely are unwilling to do so since Cheney is a conservative Republican in every way aside from telling the truth about the 2020 election & January 6th. Primary on 8/16.

Alaska Senate - Trump has endorsed Kelly Tshibaka against incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski, and I think he loses this one. Not only is Murkowski the only person not named Strom Thurmond ever elected to the Senate by write-in votes, but AK now has open primaries and ranked-choice voting and every Democrat in the Last Frontier will likely rank the moderate Murkowski ahead of Trump's candidate. He'll likely hold a rally in Alaska this summer and do everything he can for Tshibaka, so if she does lose this one will go squarely on the embarrassing loss list. Open primary on 8/16 (top four advance to November general election).

(05-31-2022 01:42 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hasnt Trump gone something like 53-2 with respect to people he has supported? Given the overall record----its about par for course that the resident lefties would go off on some fake news narrative about Trumps support being a negative.

To be clear, I am certainly not suggesting Trump's endorsement is a negative. Maybe in a blue state in the general election, but not in a Republican primary anywhere. I think for a GOP primary his endorsement is worth more than any other endorsement in US politics currently, and maybe ever.

But looking at these embarrassing defeats, and his impressive wins & losses, do start to show its limits. His gaudy overall record doesn't tell us a lot, as most of those endorsements are "safe" incumbent races with nominal opposition, or even unopposed. So far it appears to me that his endorsement is most valuable in a close, multi-candidate race where it may propel his candidate to outright victory, or a very close loss. His impressive wins -

Ohio Senate - the most impressive performance thus far, JD Vance was polling 3rd or 4th before Trump stepped in

Pennsylvania Senate - Dr. Oz remains ahead for now, even if he loses it will be very close. Given the margins it is highly improbable he did this well if not for the Trump factor

Trump has also had a couple of what I would call "impressive losses", where his problematic candidates did not win but likely came far closer than they could have without his support -

Nebraska Governor - this was a race like OH & PA, close with multiple candidates, where Trump's endorsement would likely have propelled Herbster to victory if not for the multiple accusations of sexual harassment. He still came in 2nd and only lost by 4 points. Trump did a rally here so he was quite invested, but to me coming in a respectable second with such a flawed candidate is a testimony to the power of his endorsement rather than an emabarrassment.

NC House 11th District - Trump "endorsed" scandal-plagued Madison Cawthorn, but not as vigorously as others and he did not hold a rally here. He did put out a call for Cawthorn to be given a 2nd chance, but not until the day before the election. Cawthorn ended up losing by less than 2 points so Trump probably could have carried him over the finish line if he had gotten more personally involved. Without the Trump seal of approval I doubt Cawthorn would have kept it so close.

And finally we have the embarrassing losses, all cases where a Trump endorsed candidate failed to dislodge an incumbent. In the two GA races the only rationale Trump offered against the incumbents was the failure to back his Big Lie, perhaps also showing that most GOP voters are ready to move on and focus on current events -

Idaho Governor - I still don't know why Trump got involved in this one, but he did. Crazy Lt. Governor Janice McGeachin lost by 20 points to incumbent Governor Butch Otter after mismanaging the budget of her office and abolishing all Covid public health measures every time the Governor left the state, only to have him return and overrule her. Trump wisely did not hold a rally here, which wasn't going to make up that kind of gap and would only have further tied him to the loser.

Georgia Governor - Trump was all-in on unseating Governor Kemp and got flat out embarrassed, with his candidate losing by over 50 points. The last polling indicated Kemp would likely beat Perdue without a runoff, but his final margin was considerably higher than expected.

Georgia Secretary of State - Again, Trump was all about defeating the SOS who declined to "find" those 11,780 votes and endorsed sitting Congressman Jody Hice to do so. Once given up for dead, the last polling indicated that SOS Raffensperger would likely make it to a runoff with Hice but ultimately he narrowly won re-nomination outright.

Maybe others were following other races too that I didn't highlight that would tell us more about the power of Trump's endorsement? It will be interesting to see if these patterns hold through the rest of the primary season, there are at least a couple very interesting ones left to come, and I expect mixed results for Trump -

Wyoming House - Trump is all-in for Harriet Hageman, who is likely to defeat Liz Cheney. Likely not enough Democrats in Wyoming to make a difference even if they all changed parties to vote for Cheney, and many of them likely are unwilling to do so since Cheney is a conservative Republican in every way aside from telling the truth about the 2020 election & January 6th. Primary on 8/16.

Alaska Senate - Trump has endorsed Kelly Tshibaka against incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski, and I think he loses this one. Not only is Murkowski the only person not named Strom Thurmond ever elected to the Senate by write-in votes, but AK now has open primaries and ranked-choice voting and every Democrat in the Last Frontier will likely rank the moderate Murkowski ahead of Trump's candidate. He'll likely hold a rally in Alaska this summer and do everything he can for Tshibaka, so if she does lose this one will go squarely on the embarrassing loss list. Open primary on 8/16 (top four advance to November general election).

You're not going to win them all---and your list clearly shows that Trump isnt just front running or picking candidates already way ahead in the polls. Im not saying that Trump as a GOP candidate wont have baggage---what Ive realized is that no longer matters. The press has made it clear they have picked sides and they will make make any GOP presidential candidate into the boogie-man. So---worrying about how the press will portray the GOP candidate is 1980's thinking. We are never going to get a fair shake in the so called "main stream" press---and Im over worrying about that. I dont think they matter nearly as much now that they have lost all credibility for the majority of the population.

Butch Otter is not Idaho's governor.

How did Biden* do with his endorsements?

(05-31-2022 01:09 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-31-2022 12:01 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  A week after two of his most embarrassing defeats of the 2022 primary season thus far (Governor Brian Kemp over former Senator David Perdue 73.7% to 21.9%; Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger re-nominated with 52.1% of the vote), Donald Trump is now attempting to cast doubt on the Georgia primary results

Even the third place candidate, the "Jesus. Guns. Babies." lady, is refusing to admit defeat.

Quote:A candidate for the GOP nomination for governor of Georgia refused to concede defeat even though she received only 3.4% of the vote on Tuesday.

Kandiss Taylor, a strong supporter of former President Donald Trump, came third in the race.

She received significantly fewer votes than David Perdue, who had Trump's formal endorsement, and incumbent Gov. Brian Kemp, who won by 73.7% and secured the nomination.

After the results were clear, Taylor complained that the election was "rigged" against her, The Daily Beast reported.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lo...ede-2022-5

The shark has been jumped

(05-31-2022 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  How did Biden* do with his endorsements?

top notch, top notch tutti frutti



then he shite his pants

(05-31-2022 03:18 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Butch Otter is not Idaho's governor.

Oops, thanks! I fixed it, Butch Otter was Governor of Idaho from 2007-19. Now it's Brad Little.

Trump's non Georgia losses that I know of

Nebraska Governor candidate who had sexual harassment accusations and ran against a candidate who had support of sitting GOP gov
Idaho Lt. Gov who challenged sitting GOP governor
NC Congressman Cawthorn with all his craziness - He didn't even get a full blown endorsement because Trump knew he had done so much unnecessary self sabotaging

Here's a handy graphic tracking Trump's 2022 primary endorsements in races that are/were actually competitive. His candidates have won an impressive 70% of those so far, he is 19-8 -

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/01/trump-e...r-midterms

Vickie Lawrence is hilarious. And while it cooked extremely well, the Big Boss Grill was overpriced.