don't ask how I found/remembered this ... pay att'n to Letterman dishin' out the smack ... that ol' orange basterd owned his arse...

@2alphasHavingFonzies

Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."
Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy?

I think the companion question that must be asked is exactly how Trump could have ever gotten along to make a deal with an opposition that so obviously and openly hated him that they took every opportunity to undermine him at every turn?

No, Trump did not reach out to them, but they--democrats and never-Trumper republicans alike--made it abundantly clear that they had absolutely no interest in working with him. How do you go about working with people who absolutely refuse to work with you under any conditions?

How do you go about offering an olive branch to those who make it abundantly clear that in return they are going to stick a knife in your back?

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

metallica beat ya to it ...

Quote:Infamy
All for publicity
Destruction going viral

Light it up
Ah, light it up
Another hit erases all the pain
Bulletproof
Ah, kill the truth
You're falling, but you think you're flying high
High again

Sold your soul
Built a higher wall
Yesterday
Now you're thrown away

Same rise and fall
Who cares at all?
Seduced by fame
A moth into the flame

Twisted
Backstabbing wicked
The delusion absolution

Perjurer
Fame is the murderer
Seduce you into ruin

#pureIronyInException

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

which is why I don't care ... character = 0 ... I'm pretty certain I can attest to such in prose ...

it's perception that = 1 in too many minds ...

hence, policy only matters ... like chess, you have to understand the weakness within the opponent ... that's when ya suck 'em in...

#hereWeAre

(03-13-2022 08:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."
Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy?

I think the companion question that must be asked is exactly how Trump could have ever gotten along to make a deal with an opposition that so obviously and openly hated him that they took every opportunity to undermine him at every turn?

No, Trump did not reach out to them, but they--democrats and never-Trumper republicans alike--made it abundantly clear that they had absolutely no interest in working with him. How do you go about working with people who absolutely refuse to work with you under any conditions?

How do you go about offering an olive branch to those who make it abundantly clear that in return they are going to stick a knife in your back?

Thanks, beat me to it.

(03-13-2022 08:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."
Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy?

I think the companion question that must be asked is exactly how Trump could have ever gotten along to make a deal with an opposition that so obviously and openly hated him that they took every opportunity to undermine him at every turn?

No, Trump did not reach out to them, but they--democrats and never-Trumper republicans alike--made it abundantly clear that they had absolutely no interest in working with him. How do you go about working with people who absolutely refuse to work with you under any conditions?

How do you go about offering an olive branch to those who make it abundantly clear that in return they are going to stick a knife in your back?

in logic, why would one ever discuss best method when the intent is not such?!!!

that's what he understands in scope ... it's also why libertarians always lose...

never forget he was supposed to run as a donk.... that's when the magnetic poles in the msm went on tilt....

#stillLaughingAtThatBS

@75MMvs.81MM

#nofk'nway

Isn't it quite remarkable how much of a media darling he was until he decided to run for POTUS? When the DNC's spin machine turned on him it proved just how superficial everyone was.

It would be interesting to know how many of his detractors here would have withstood the onslaught he endured. I wonder how the never Trumpers might have reacted and the tone it would have set had they been subjected to all the attacks and character assassinations, attacks which occurred every.single.day. of his presidency. Not one single one among them would have handled that scenario one bit better and many would have reacted far worse.

Stinky, Owl, TB4E - - you are three of the smartest posters on this forum. I mean that. And if you are telling me that character flaws are actually strengths, at least insofar as the infallible Donald Trump, I probably should just concede the point.

Okay, so Donald is special. There is nothing about him that doesn't have some four-dimensional-chess angle that doubters like me are incapable of understanding. Let's go with that - - he, more than anyone else, is what this nation needs to restore order.

The problem is that he still has to win in 2024 to make that work. Unquestionably great man that he is, do you honestly think he has a good (or even fair) chance of winning in 2024? I don't. And I am not alone. This is a comment posted to the WSJ, responding to one of mine (we post under our real names there, which I've redacted here):

Quote: I am disappointed in Biden, but I will never vote for Trump or any of his minions. Trump is a terrible person. His minions seem to be a loathsome mix of terrible, opportunistic, or unhinged people.
***
You're right that if the Republicans backed away from Trump and the lunatics, they'd win landslide victories. They won't though. I think long-term prospects are better for the Democrats, because although they're currently catering to the woke mob, it hasn't absorbed them the way Trumpism has absorbed the Republican party, and I think Democrats are starting to get the message that wokeness is poison. I think you'll see them slowly stepping back from that ledge before the Republicans pull back from Trump, and the Democrats will get attendant gains while doing so.

You can be a scornful as you wish over this posted opinion. I don't think much of it. But this post is not a one-off. There are lots who are so turned off by Donald Trump that they will not vote for him under any circumstances. That is an issue, even if he happens to be the brightest lightbulb in the outthouse.

(03-13-2022 09:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Stinky, Owl, TB4E - - you are three of the smartest posters on this forum. I mean that. And if you are telling me that character flaws are actually strengths, at least insofar as the infallible Donald Trump, I probably should just concede the point.

Okay, so Donald is special. There is nothing about him that doesn't have some four-dimensional-chess angle that doubters like me are incapable of understanding. Let's go with that - - he, more than anyone else, is what this nation needs to restore order.

The problem is that he still has to win in 2024 to make that work. Unquestionably great man that he is, do you honestly think he has a good (or even fair) chance of winning in 2024? I don't. And I am not alone. This is a comment posted to the WSJ, responding to one of mine (we post under our real names there, which I've redacted here):

Quote: I am disappointed in Biden, but I will never vote for Trump or any of his minions. Trump is a terrible person. His minions seem to be a loathsome mix of terrible, opportunistic, or unhinged people.
***
You're right that if the Republicans backed away from Trump and the lunatics, they'd win landslide victories. They won't though. I think long-term prospects are better for the Democrats, because although they're currently catering to the woke mob, it hasn't absorbed them the way Trumpism has absorbed the Republican party, and I think Democrats are starting to get the message that wokeness is poison. I think you'll see them slowly stepping back from that ledge before the Republicans pull back from Trump, and the Democrats will get attendant gains while doing so.

You can be a scornful as you wish over this posted opinion. I don't think much of it. But this post is not a one-off. There are lots who are so turned off by Donald Trump that they will not vote for him under any circumstances. That is an issue, even if he happens to be the brightest lightbulb in the outthouse.

read this first ... it will help you understand the dichotomy of the psychology... my friend!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-708166-post-11...id11712639

"I am nobody"

(03-13-2022 08:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Isn't it quite remarkable how much of a media darling he was until he decided to run for POTUS? When the DNC's spin machine turned on him it proved just how superficial everyone was.

It would be interesting to know how many of his detractors here would have withstood the onslaught he endured. I wonder how the never Trumpers might have reacted and the tone it would have set had they been subjected to all the attacks and character assassinations, attacks which occurred every.single.day. of his presidency. Not one single one among them would have handled that scenario one bit better and many would have reacted far worse.

it's not that 'we' didn't going in ... it's how he fought back that was his biggest asset ... what more could Owl #s or A, Monarch want in return playing in the sandbox of the corrupt?!

I can't get past how too many don't see that in "value"...

DeSantis and Noem (an many others have as well)

this is why I pine over this bs ... this IS WHAT THE FK MATTERS!

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

The clip is rather sad as to me it shows what might have been with a President Trump. His independence from traditional politics and politicians could have been his greatest strength, he came into office uniquely positioned to sit down with both parties and make common-sense, centrist deals that would have angered both the far-right and the far-left and thrilled a majority of the voters when things actually got done. He would have been easily re-elected had he done that, instead he chose to double down on his populist & nativist base and allowed his narcissism to dictate his rhetoric and actions to the degree that ultimately he drove away too many of those who even supported his policies.

(03-13-2022 10:05 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

The clip is rather sad as to me it shows what might have been with a President Trump. His independence from traditional politics and politicians could have been his greatest strength, he came into office uniquely positioned to sit down with both parties and make common-sense, centrist deals that would have angered both the far-right and the far-left and thrilled a majority of the voters when things actually got done. He would have been easily re-elected had he done that, instead he chose to double down on his populist & nativist base and allowed his narcissism to dictate his rhetoric and actions to the degree that ultimately he drove away too many of those who even supported his policies.

You obviously wasn't awake during his Presidency. It amazes me to hear people say he "should have worked with both sides". They were talking about Impeaching him before he was even inaugurated for Pete's sake. All of that wishy washy crap went out of the window and he had to go Bull in a China Shop from day one. He couldn't trust anyone because he wasn't one of them. Oh, and he got 6 million more votes the second time around, and those weren't phantom absentee ballots that showed up in the middle of the night. People actually showed up to polling places on election day and voted for him. If he doesn't run in 2024 he damn well will have to actively promote who does.

(03-13-2022 10:05 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

The clip is rather sad as to me it shows what might have been with a President Trump. His independence from traditional politics and politicians could have been his greatest strength, he came into office uniquely positioned to sit down with both parties and make common-sense, centrist deals that would have angered both the far-right and the far-left and thrilled a majority of the voters when things actually got done. He would have been easily re-elected had he done that, instead he chose to double down on his populist & nativist base and allowed his narcissism to dictate his rhetoric and actions to the degree that ultimately he drove away too many of those who even supported his policies.

Were you asleep from 2015-6 to ‘20?

They spied on his campaign, they leaked classified calls and other communications, they withheld his nominations to cabinet positions and all kinds of other positions. They attempted to frame him as a traitor and Russian agent, told us he was unstable and simply stupid. Corrupt business person cause he sold some MAGA hats he had made, and was caught on tape with three hookers in a Russian hotel where they pee’d on him at his request.

Now, what of that was true, and that’s just scraping the surface of two fake impeachments and trying to ruin his family and lock up his kids.

What of that was true?

Yet it what HIS fault they “couldn’t get along”.

This is some sick schit

He was a clear and present danger to THEIR power and corruption and therefore a real threat. They had to try and take him out, plain and simple.

What of any of we endured as a country for those four years turned out to be true? About Trump?

Who’s being indicted?

All blatant projection.

(03-13-2022 10:05 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Appreciate the shout out, stinky. And very good clip. It is easy to see why Donald has such a fan base. On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

But now let me return to form - - taking out-of-context snippets to make some small, irrelevant point. At the 9:49 mark on the clip, Donald Trump discusses his philosophy of good government. To paraphrase: "You have to really like people. Or at least you have to respect them. You have to be able to get along in order to make a deal. Republicans and Democrats are not doing that."

Now ask yourself, at what point since Donald Trump descended that escalator has he EVER acted consistent with that philosophy? My answer is never. He only takes to those who kiss his ass - - sometime to disastrous consequences (Comey and Fauci as just two examples). He shows zero respect for those who are in his way (taking cheap shots at Ted Cruz's family). He is the definition of thin-skinned. If you cross him, no matter how inconsequential, he will react out of spite.

Donald Trump is a remarkable man. But character matters, and he lacks it.

The clip is rather sad as to me it shows what might have been with a President Trump. His independence from traditional politics and politicians could have been his greatest strength, he came into office uniquely positioned to sit down with both parties and make common-sense, centrist deals that would have angered both the far-right and the far-left and thrilled a majority of the voters when things actually got done. He would have been easily re-elected had he done that, instead he chose to double down on his populist & nativist base and allowed his narcissism to dictate his rhetoric and actions to the degree that ultimately he drove away too many of those who even supported his policies.

Geez - the fact that Trump was able to get Muslims and Israel to agree, but couldn’t get the democrats to work on anything tells you where the problem was.

He beat their chosen one. It was HER turn and he stole that from HER. She was the one who maliciously painted him as a Russian puppet before, during and after the election and the whole democratic establishment just kept doubling down on it. So he fought back.

Yes, he could have been an even better President. He could have been the guy in that video, but they didn’t want that and couldn’t let it happen even if it was best for the country. If they did that he would have won again. They would have lost more power.

You need to figure out that you are backing the wrong side. They don’t care about the country, they care about themselves.

(03-13-2022 08:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Isn't it quite remarkable how much of a media darling he was until he decided to run for POTUS? When the DNC's spin machine turned on him it proved just how superficial everyone was.

It would be interesting to know how many of his detractors here would have withstood the onslaught he endured. I wonder how the never Trumpers might have reacted and the tone it would have set had they been subjected to all the attacks and character assassinations, attacks which occurred every.single.day. of his presidency. Not one single one among them would have handled that scenario one bit better and many would have reacted far worse.

My mother said this over and over. How many folks could take that abuse day in and day out? Like I have previously posted if it happens to the next Republican President we have serious issues in our Government and Press. Frankly, I believe we already are infiltrated with the Regressive disease which eats the common sense of our brain in DC.

(03-13-2022 08:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  On a another active thread forum I described pro-Trumpers as "moths to a lightbulb". I do not take that back. But I also fully acknowledge that in order for the allusion to work it requires a very bright lightbulb. Donald Trump is unquestionably that lightbulb.

In this case, the lightbulb is a leader who said what he was going to do, and delivered. Some of us are actually attracted to a leader who does that.

In the case of Never Trumpers, they are like dung flies being attracted to the same ole pile of crap that the elites in the party put forth on a plate every 4 years.

If person can't figure out why Trump had to be removed from office by what is happening right this very second in the country and world, then you are the walking blind. Go listen to Biden tell everyone what he was going to do if elected and tell me with a straight face this isn't exactly that.

The most important thing Trump said was that we should work for the betterment of the nation AND not the party. The Democrats haven't done that or will not do that as THE SOB and his administration have proven that...and let's not forget the Democrat Representatives and Senators. Their motto is "screw the nation, give me what's mine". Remember in the video Trump before he becomes president actually said it (work for the betterment of the US) and in my mind over the four years that he was in office I believe that every decision that came out of his administration was for the betterment of the nation AND not the party like the Democrats do.

It's sad that Democrat voters listen to all the propaganda from the MSM and they are so brainwashed by them that they can't see how they're being bamboozled by the Left. You can show them all the things that he did and they will not be satisfied or believe it anyway. I even have a neighbor who's a staunch Democrat posting memes about how the high gas prices are what the MSM and THE SOB tell them, that it's the Russians fault. At least they're not saying it's Trumps fault, LOL.

The way Dave talked to him was respectful and jokeful and that's fine, but once Trump got elected Dave's pointy teeth (instead of the gappy ones) took over. I couldn't listen to his lies after Trump got elected, it was terrible. That was a sampling of how the Left hated him so much and they all ganged up on him.

I was really close to being a "Never Trumper" back in 2016. Cruz was my guy. I guess now I'm an "Only Trumper". If dems weren't able to use COVID to weaken and manipulate our election laws back in '20, maybe the world wouldn't be a steaming pile of crap right now. I hope dem voters and rinos remember how gas was $1.28, and how Russia once kept their hands to themself, back when Trump was President. Biden is a joke.