https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/...19385.html

"Despite promises from President Biden and top health officials that COVID-19 vaccines would prevent severe illness, death, and perhaps even transmission of the virus, data indicate that thousands of Americans are dying from the illness even after having been vaccinated.

Striking evidence comes from California, Georgia, and Illinois, where a third of people dying with COVID had been vaccinated – even some who had received a third booster shot...."

Now if 80% of people are vaccinated, that means there is an 8 times greater chance of dying without it, but there are still vaccinated people dying.

shhhhhh...commieTom sez you are lying. Don't upset him with the truth, like Nancy said.

So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

Kiss my unvaccinated ass, Brandon

Quote:So tonight Uncle Joe said we shouldn’t politicize Covid:



Spoken like a man with an approval rating around 38 percent.

I’m old enough to remember what he said in July:



And September:



And December:



And January:



I’m old enough to remember when he encouraged social media platforms to censor me in July.

Or when his Department of Homeland Security called me a terrorist threat three weeks ago.

I’m old enough to remember how the Democrats closed schools and businesses and tried to make me wear a mask and get vaccinated.

And then lied about all of it.

Now the walls are coming down and they’re begging us to forget what they’ve done. To reset.

Here’s my State of the Union, Joe:

Not a snowball’s chance in hell.

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

(03-02-2022 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

Beat me to it. Good job.

(03-02-2022 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

Well if you are under 40 and in good health.

(03-02-2022 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

Yes.

You have seen the statistics about who's still dying in larger numbers from Covid between vaccinated and non-vaccinated, right?

HINT: It's not the vaccinated.

And believe it or not, I don't want anyone to die from Covid. Even the morons who refuse to get vaccinated.

Now, hold on a sec.

Dying FROM the ‘Rona, or dying WITH the ‘Rona?

Can you point to those numbers? Certainly the CDC can’t.

They’re supposedly tryin, but they can’t.

TIA

(03-03-2022 06:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

Yes.

You have seen the statistics about who's still dying in larger numbers from Covid between vaccinated and non-vaccinated, right?

HINT: It's not the vaccinated.

And believe it or not, I don't want anyone to die from Covid. Even the morons who refuse to get vaccinated.

Most healthy people in their prime have no need of a vaccine.

The majority of deaths are from people with multiple comorbidities. And even among those groups its not clear how many died FROM Covid or with Covid.

You knew that before you made you post.

You are by far one of the most dishonest posters on this site. And no amount of snide comebacks, fake lol's and emoji's will cover up that fact.

(03-03-2022 07:07 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No hold on a sec.

Dying FROM the ‘Rona, or dying WITH the ‘Rona?

Can you point to those numbers? Certainly the CDC can’t.

They’re supposedly tryin, but they can’t.

TIA

Quote:During October–November, unvaccinated persons had 13.9 and 53.2 times the risks for infection and COVID-19–associated death, respectively, compared with fully vaccinated persons who received booster doses, and 4.0 and 12.7 times the risks compared with fully vaccinated persons without booster doses.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/m...r%20doses.

(03-03-2022 07:21 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-03-2022 06:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-02-2022 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, a vaccine that is 95% effective at best according to its manufacturers, still results in some people dying from Covid after they've had the vaccine?

Gee, how's that even possible?

So you want us to get a vaccine thats 95% effective, at best, for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.9%... yeah, thats some good math there.

Yes.

You have seen the statistics about who's still dying in larger numbers from Covid between vaccinated and non-vaccinated, right?

HINT: It's not the vaccinated.

And believe it or not, I don't want anyone to die from Covid. Even the morons who refuse to get vaccinated.

Most healthy people in their prime have no need of a vaccine.

The majority of deaths are from people with multiple comorbidities. And even among those groups its not clear how many died FROM Covid or with Covid.

You knew that before you made you post.

You are by far one of the most dishonest posters on this site. And no amount of snide comebacks, fake lol's and emoji's will cover up that fact.

Yes dude, healthy people are healthier and live longer with less need of medical intervention. As usual, your insight is impeccable.

Apologies for not dumbing it down enough for your buddies...I didn't think I need to tell them that water is wet. But no, I didn't dishonestly leave the obvious out to try and accomplish something. Once again, you're just wrong.

But you're also ignoring the fact that while yes, healthy people aren't near as likely to die from Covid, getting a case of it can do some pretty harsh damage to your lungs. Get the damned shots.

(03-03-2022 07:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes dude, healthy people are healthier and live longer with less need of medical intervention. As usual, your insight is impeccable.

Apologies for not dumbing it down enough for your buddies...I didn't think I need to tell them that water is wet. But no, I didn't dishonestly leave the obvious out to try and accomplish something. Once again, you're just wrong.

But you're also ignoring the fact that while yes, healthy people aren't near as likely to die from Covid, getting a case of it can do some pretty harsh damage to your lungs. Get the damned shots.

The overwhelming majority of healthy people who contract it now aren't even going to have symptoms or get sick at all, much less get lung damage.

At this point most healthy people who have refused the shot have already had covid 2-3 times and know full well they have no need of a shot.

No matter how much you desire to force your views on others, you can't. And no matter how much that pisses you off being the miserable hyper trolling commie fascist you really are, that's just too damn bad.

In other words, get bent commie tommy.

TOM PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET TEH F-ING SHOT!

THAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANY MORE OR LESS SUSCPEITBLE TO CATHING IT YOURSELF............



JFC ALREADY................

(03-03-2022 08:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-03-2022 07:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes dude, healthy people are healthier and live longer with less need of medical intervention. As usual, your insight is impeccable.

Apologies for not dumbing it down enough for your buddies...I didn't think I need to tell them that water is wet. But no, I didn't dishonestly leave the obvious out to try and accomplish something. Once again, you're just wrong.

But you're also ignoring the fact that while yes, healthy people aren't near as likely to die from Covid, getting a case of it can do some pretty harsh damage to your lungs. Get the damned shots.

The overwhelming majority of healthy people who contract it now aren't even going to have symptoms or get sick at all, much less get lung damage.

At this point most healthy people who have refused the shot have already had covid 2-3 times and know full well they have no need of a shot.

No matter how much you desire to force your views on others, you can't. And no matter how much that pisses you off being the miserable hyper trolling commie fascist you really are, that's just too damn bad.

In other words, get bent commie tommy.

Geez...you're becoming unhinged with the name calling and personal attacks. I think you need a break.

And are you sure they are not going to have any lung issues (or other health issues) after having Covid 2-3 times? And are you aware that experts actually study this stuff?

Quote:What happens when COVID-19 symptoms don’t go away? In some people who recover from COVID-19, lingering health problems can wreak havoc for months.

Tae Chung, M.D., a specialist in neurology and physical medicine and rehabilitation; Megan Hosey, Ph.D., an expert in rehabilitation psychology,; Arun Venkatesan, M.D., Ph.D., a specialist in neurology; Amanda Morrow, M.D., an expert in pediatric rehabilitation medicine; and Emily Brigham, M.D., M.P.H., who specializes in lung disease and critical care, discuss long-term COVID-19, what symptoms are most common and what those affected by them can expect.

While it’s clear that people with certain risk factors (including high blood pressure, smoking, diabetes, obesity and other conditions) are more likely to have a serious bout of COVID-19, there isn’t a clear link between these risk factors and long-term problems. In fact, long COVID can happen in people who have mild symptoms.

More studies will shed light on why these stubborn health problems persist in some people. They could be due to organ damage, a persistent inflammatory or autoimmune response or another reason.

But what’s curious is that it seems post-COVID-19 syndrome is not just afflicting people who were very sick with the coronavirus. “Patients who were never severely ill are coming to clinic and saying that their lives are different now,” Brigham says.

According to the CDC, the most common lasting symptoms are fatigue, shortness of breath, cough, joint pain and chest pain. Other issues include cognitive problems, difficulty concentrating, depression, muscle pain, headache, rapid heartbeat and intermittent fever.

A bad case of COVID-19 can produce scarring and other permanent problems in the lungs, but even mild infections can cause persistent shortness of breath — getting winded easily after even light exertion.

Lung recovery after COVID-19 is possible, but takes time. Experts say it can take months for a person’s lung function to return to pre-COVID-19 levels. Breathing exercises and respiratory therapy can help.

SARS-CoV-2 infection can leave some people with heart problems, including inflammation of the heart muscle. In fact, one study showed that 60% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had signs of ongoing heart inflammation, which could lead to the common symptoms of shortness of breath, palpitations and rapid heartbeat. This inflammation appeared even in those who had had a mild case of COVID-19 and who had no medical issues before they got sick.

COVID ‘Long Haulers’: Long-Term Effects of COVID-19

And there's much more in the article. But by all means, keep calling me names and going on about how I'm being dishonest about all this stuff. Meanwhile, I'll just keep posting factual information...you can ignore it and call me a liar and dishonest all you want.

But yeah sure...this is all probably rare in most all people...but stop acting like it's some ruse.

CommieTommy: MY experts are all correct while your experts don't know jack. To clarify, he did not say that - it is the way he operates.

Tom's an expert all on things that purport to disqualify any deviation from the official narrative. It's what he does, comrade.

(03-03-2022 12:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  CommieTommy: MY experts are all correct while your experts don't know jack. To clarify, he did not say that - it is the way he operates.

Tom's an expert all on things that purport to disqualify any deviation from the official narrative. It's what he does, comrade.

When you actually cite an expert, it will be a first.

(03-03-2022 08:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-03-2022 07:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes dude, healthy people are healthier and live longer with less need of medical intervention. As usual, your insight is impeccable.

Apologies for not dumbing it down enough for your buddies...I didn't think I need to tell them that water is wet. But no, I didn't dishonestly leave the obvious out to try and accomplish something. Once again, you're just wrong.

But you're also ignoring the fact that while yes, healthy people aren't near as likely to die from Covid, getting a case of it can do some pretty harsh damage to your lungs. Get the damned shots.

The overwhelming majority of healthy people who contract it now aren't even going to have symptoms or get sick at all, much less get lung damage.

At this point most healthy people who have refused the shot have already had covid 2-3 times and know full well they have no need of a shot.

No matter how much you desire to force your views on others, you can't. And no matter how much that pisses you off being the miserable hyper trolling commie fascist you really are, that's just too damn bad.

In other words, get bent commie tommy.

If you are over 40 or 50, a good number of healthy people do have serious problems. My wife has one of her employees very sick right now and she is double vaxxed and boosted. Its nothing to snear at.

But if you are under 40 and healthy, your risks are very small.

(03-03-2022 11:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-03-2022 08:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-03-2022 07:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes dude, healthy people are healthier and live longer with less need of medical intervention. As usual, your insight is impeccable.

Apologies for not dumbing it down enough for your buddies...I didn't think I need to tell them that water is wet. But no, I didn't dishonestly leave the obvious out to try and accomplish something. Once again, you're just wrong.

But you're also ignoring the fact that while yes, healthy people aren't near as likely to die from Covid, getting a case of it can do some pretty harsh damage to your lungs. Get the damned shots.

The overwhelming majority of healthy people who contract it now aren't even going to have symptoms or get sick at all, much less get lung damage.

At this point most healthy people who have refused the shot have already had covid 2-3 times and know full well they have no need of a shot.

No matter how much you desire to force your views on others, you can't. And no matter how much that pisses you off being the miserable hyper trolling commie fascist you really are, that's just too damn bad.

In other words, get bent commie tommy.

Geez...you're becoming unhinged with the name calling and personal attacks. I think you need a break.

And are you sure they are not going to have any lung issues (or other health issues) after having Covid 2-3 times? And are you aware that experts actually study this stuff?

Quote:What happens when COVID-19 symptoms don’t go away? In some people who recover from COVID-19, lingering health problems can wreak havoc for months.

Tae Chung, M.D., a specialist in neurology and physical medicine and rehabilitation; Megan Hosey, Ph.D., an expert in rehabilitation psychology,; Arun Venkatesan, M.D., Ph.D., a specialist in neurology; Amanda Morrow, M.D., an expert in pediatric rehabilitation medicine; and Emily Brigham, M.D., M.P.H., who specializes in lung disease and critical care, discuss long-term COVID-19, what symptoms are most common and what those affected by them can expect.

While it’s clear that people with certain risk factors (including high blood pressure, smoking, diabetes, obesity and other conditions) are more likely to have a serious bout of COVID-19, there isn’t a clear link between these risk factors and long-term problems. In fact, long COVID can happen in people who have mild symptoms.

More studies will shed light on why these stubborn health problems persist in some people. They could be due to organ damage, a persistent inflammatory or autoimmune response or another reason.

But what’s curious is that it seems post-COVID-19 syndrome is not just afflicting people who were very sick with the coronavirus. “Patients who were never severely ill are coming to clinic and saying that their lives are different now,” Brigham says.

According to the CDC, the most common lasting symptoms are fatigue, shortness of breath, cough, joint pain and chest pain. Other issues include cognitive problems, difficulty concentrating, depression, muscle pain, headache, rapid heartbeat and intermittent fever.

A bad case of COVID-19 can produce scarring and other permanent problems in the lungs, but even mild infections can cause persistent shortness of breath — getting winded easily after even light exertion.

Lung recovery after COVID-19 is possible, but takes time. Experts say it can take months for a person’s lung function to return to pre-COVID-19 levels. Breathing exercises and respiratory therapy can help.

SARS-CoV-2 infection can leave some people with heart problems, including inflammation of the heart muscle. In fact, one study showed that 60% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had signs of ongoing heart inflammation, which could lead to the common symptoms of shortness of breath, palpitations and rapid heartbeat. This inflammation appeared even in those who had had a mild case of COVID-19 and who had no medical issues before they got sick.

COVID ‘Long Haulers’: Long-Term Effects of COVID-19

And there's much more in the article. But by all means, keep calling me names and going on about how I'm being dishonest about all this stuff. Meanwhile, I'll just keep posting factual information...you can ignore it and call me a liar and dishonest all you want.

But yeah sure...this is all probably rare in most all people...but stop acting like it's some ruse.

"But by all means, keep calling me names" That's rich coming from you, that's all you do around here.

Let's boil it down since none of you can. It's a shot. Like the flu shot it reduces the chance you get seriously ill. It is not a vaccine like smallpox, measles, and whatever else I took as a baby. If the medical community would have just started with that narrative, you wouldn't have all this bull****.