Since the world is on fire, now's a good time for the DOJ and team Harris to admit they lied to a judge and a grand jury that Harris was at the capitol on Jan 6th when she was clearly not.

They still dont explain why they lied.

Apparently this story was broke by Politico, so I'll go ahead and put this here so Tom doesnt make a flaming fool out of himself over the source.

They lie when truth is easier

(02-17-2022 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  They lie when truth is easier

ehhh---its always a Democrat's first instinct.

(02-17-2022 02:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Apparently this story was broke by Politico, so I'll go ahead and put this here so Tom doesnt make a flaming fool out of himself over the source.

Our once vaunted (by many, also suspect by many) DOJ has turned into a wholly corrupt arm of the DNC and DC itself more broadly.


Swampity, swamp swamp swamp

(02-17-2022 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  They lie when truth is easier

You must remember, it is THEIR truth.

Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

Anyone who knowing participated should be suspended or lose their law license depending on how egregiously this was coordinated.

(02-17-2022 03:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

I don't speak idiot either, but I will postulate that AOC really means "It is ok for liberals to lie because we are morally superior to conservatives."

(02-18-2022 07:50 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

I don't speak idiot either, but I will postulate that AOC really means "It is ok for liberals to lie because we are morally superior to conservatives."

I thought that might be what she was trying to say, but it just seemed too ridiculous even for her.

(02-17-2022 03:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

Just an altruistic sounding way to say "The ends justify the means."

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(02-17-2022 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  They lie when truth is easier

I've known people like that. It's mind boggling.

(02-18-2022 08:48 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

Just an altruistic sounding way to say "The ends justify the means."

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This^

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

Did she really say that?

(02-18-2022 07:50 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

I don't speak idiot, can someone translate this for me?

I don't speak idiot either, but I will postulate that AOC really means "It is ok for liberals to lie because we are morally superior to conservatives."

Yep

Ends justify the means.

And by “means”, they believe “By all means necessary.”

Reckless and shameless. Not a good combination.

Wait...what happens when lowly peons lie to a grand jury?

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(02-17-2022 02:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Since the world is on fire, now's a good time for the DOJ and team Harris to admit they lied to a judge and a grand jury that Harris was at the capitol on Jan 6th when she was clearly not.

They still dont explain why they lied.

(02-17-2022 03:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Anyone who knowing participated should be suspended or lose their law license depending on how egregiously this was coordinated.

To be fair, I don't think there is any evidence that this error/lie was perpetuated by Team Harris or the VP herself. Sounds like she was vague in one interview after the fact about where she was, while making it clear in another she wasn't at the Capitol during the attack. Now IF she didn't tell the whole truth to law enforcement, then that's different. But it seems like sloppiness or an attempt to pad the case by someone(s) at the DOJ, and I think Rath is right that those responsible should be punished appropriately, severity of the punishment to depend on whether this was an oversight or deliberate.

(02-17-2022 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  They lie when truth is easier

Looks like either that or just inexcusable sloppiness, I don't see a why here? Prosecuting the insurrectionists fully didn't require Kamala to be at the Capitol as VP Pence WAS there, so the same threat level and severity was already established. And it's not like she had gone anywhere scandalous that they would have needed to cover up, shouldn't be surprising to anyone that high-level pols sometimes spend time at party HQ.

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

A scary sentence. This is no different than Kellyanne Conway and her "alternative facts", and equally deserving of condemnation.

(02-18-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 02:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Since the world is on fire, now's a good time for the DOJ and team Harris to admit they lied to a judge and a grand jury that Harris was at the capitol on Jan 6th when she was clearly not.

They still dont explain why they lied.

(02-17-2022 03:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Anyone who knowing participated should be suspended or lose their law license depending on how egregiously this was coordinated.

To be fair, I don't think there is any evidence that this error/lie was perpetuated by Team Harris or the VP herself.

This was a member of Kamala's secret service team. It was not only perpetrated by them, but a judge admonished them and the prosecution team just last week for not correcting the record after they got busted in the lie a year ago. This was a minimalist attempt to correct the record, while still failing to account as to where exactly Kamala was.

(02-17-2022 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  They lie when truth is easier

(02-18-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Looks like either that or just inexcusable sloppiness, I don't see a why here? Prosecuting the insurrectionists fully didn't require Kamala to be at the Capitol

You dont take information to a grand jury without a reason. They also presented this lie to a judge and to defense teams.

Also, there is not one "insurrectionist" being prosecuted. Nearly all of these cases are misdemeanor cases. All of them should be immediately dismissed the moment the government told an outright lie to the grand jury. There are legal scholars who are scrtaching their heads as to why the charges havent been dropped over this.

(02-18-2022 09:30 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Instead of being factually correct, it is more important to being morally correct.
- AOC

Did she really say that?

not exactly, but substantially yes. here's the story from politico about her interview with anderson cooper

"One of the criticisms of you is that-- that your math is fuzzy. The Washington Post recently awarded you four Pinocchios for misstating some statistics about Pentagon spending?" Cooper said to the Congresswoman.

"Oh my goodness," an incredulous Ocasio-Cortez said.

"If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they're missing the forest for the trees," she said. I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right."