(02-12-2022 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But here's the thing about this. Are republicans going to do anything about it? Or will they simply cower and give in again?

Don't demur in foolishness. We are either a nation of laws which apply to all of us regardless of station or we are not! Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law are just as evil as Democrats who do the same. You raise an appeal which ignores the mark.

Not quite sure where we disagree or how you think I miss the mark.

My point is that those, "Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law," are absolutely worthless. If republicans are not going to function as opposition and resistance, of what use are they?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

We could use your voice in the GOP to influence things in a direction more to your liking. Maybe we become the Owl party, probably not, but if Libertarians could give up this third party fantasy, we’d probably all be better off. And I know you’re one of the more reasonable Libertarians out there. No offense intended.

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But here's the thing about this. Are republicans going to do anything about it? Or will they simply cower and give in again?

Don't demur in foolishness. We are either a nation of laws which apply to all of us regardless of station or we are not! Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law are just as evil as Democrats who do the same. You raise an appeal which ignores the mark.

Not quite sure where we disagree or how you think I miss the mark.

My point is that those, "Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law," are absolutely worthless. If republicans are not going to function as opposition and resistance, of what use are they?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

We could use your voice in the GOP to influence things in a direction more to your liking. Maybe we become the Owl party, probably not, but if Libertarians could give up this third party fantasy, we’d probably all be better off. And I know you’re one of the more reasonable Libertarians out there. No offense intended.

w/o question!!!

@pleaseHelp

Listen to this stupid *****.

Trump knew





Biden* is illegitimate

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

If politics is truly binary, then I expect something other than the socialist/communist/fascist "progressive" party on the one hand and the sometimes-talks-a-good-game-but-in-the-end-always-cowers-and-gives-in-to-a-lesser-version-of-socialism/communism/fascism on the other.

There are millions of real people out there with real problems. The democrats can always buy their votes by promising to throw money at those problems, and then blaming republicans when those solutions ultimately fail, as they must--it would have worked if republicans had let us spend more. And as long as democrats can buy those votes, the election math becomes pretty difficult for republicans. You can't do anything if you can't win elections, a fact that seems to escape republicans.

What republicans need to say is that we oppose the democrat agenda, not because we hate poor people or people of color, but because their approach has never worked, not anywhere that it has been tried--Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, you name it. But that's not enough. Republicans have to come up with something that will work instead, and that's where they can't seem to do it. Bismarck health care (a version of which was proposed by Heritage in the 1990s), plus a UBI based on Milton Friedman's negative income tax (NIT) or the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund would be an approach to social welfare that would cost less than what we are doing to day (because it would not require the legions of overpaid/underworked bureaucrat gatekeepers) and would make life better for just about every one of the poor and middle class--particularly those who want to move up and get off the welfare plantation. And old Otto von, Heritage, Uncle Miltie, Boortz, and Linder are about as conservative as they come. Put that together with the strongest military in the world, bar none, but never use it because nobody dares pick on us and we don't go around picking on them, and pay for it the way Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin would have--broader tax base (including consumption tax) with lower and flatter tax rates--in order to balance the budget. Then do some Ross Perot-style PowerPoints to explain to everybody--except those fat cat bureaucrats--how they would be better off. And then win the election and then DO IT.

The most optimistic I have ever felt about this country's future was probably election night 1994. Since then republicans have screwed up repeatedly by failing to have any sense. They are still the enemies of my enemies, but they are doing a horsecrap job of fighting them.

Why has every Biden appointee not come down to a 50-50 vote in the senate, with Kamala the **** having to break the tie every time? Why do we see memes and videos on here about just how goofy some of them are, but when the rubber hits the road they all get confirmed with bipartisan votes? Because republicans are an "opposition" that does not resist. Start resisting if you want to keep getting my vote.

(02-13-2022 08:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Listen to this stupid *****.

Trump knew





Biden* is illegitimate

He should send her this clip every single day. What a stupid woman.

(02-13-2022 08:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

If politics is truly binary, then I expect something other than the socialist/communist/fascist "progressive" party on the one hand and the sometimes-talks-a-good-game-but-in-the-end-always-cowers-and-gives-in-to-a-lesser-version-of-socialism/communism/fascism on the other.

there's this guy I once remember that satisfied that req't ... his name is Donald John Trump ... he was the 45th potus ... you didn't like him either...

#groverII

(02-13-2022 09:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Listen to this stupid *****.

Trump knew





Biden* is illegitimate

He should send her this clip every single day. What a stupid woman.

Leslie… what a rag.


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(02-13-2022 09:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Listen to this stupid *****.

Trump knew





Biden* is illegitimate

He should send her this clip every single day. What a stupid woman.

but but but "this is 60 minutes ... we can't put on things we can't verify"

100% pure donk-a-donk rhetorical slime...

(02-13-2022 09:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

If politics is truly binary, then I expect something other than the socialist/communist/fascist "progressive" party on the one hand and the sometimes-talks-a-good-game-but-in-the-end-always-cowers-and-gives-in-to-a-lesser-version-of-socialism/communism/fascism on the other.

there's this guy I once remember that satisfied that req't ... his name is Donald John Trump ... he was the 45th potus ... you didn't like him either...

#groverII

I love Owl, but this is spot on. Trump was despised by the left and almost just as much by the establishment on the right for exposing how much they’ve taken advantage of this country, both sides.


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(02-13-2022 09:12 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 09:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

If politics is truly binary, then I expect something other than the socialist/communist/fascist "progressive" party on the one hand and the sometimes-talks-a-good-game-but-in-the-end-always-cowers-and-gives-in-to-a-lesser-version-of-socialism/communism/fascism on the other.

there's this guy I once remember that satisfied that req't ... his name is Donald John Trump ... he was the 45th potus ... you didn't like him either...

#groverII

I love Owl, but this is spot on. Trump was despised by the left and almost just as much by the establishment on the right for exposing how much they’ve taken advantage of this country, both sides.


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I have total respect for Owl #s ... he's easily one of the brighter bulbs in the pack ...

DJT should've been the 3rd party/pubs wet dream ... that's what is so confusing in scope...

it appears the RNC, never Trumpeters, and John Q. are learning that lesson the hard way at the expense of the middle class ... that's the real shame...

It's basically revenge of the nerds. Bunch of egg headed dorks who got wedgies in high school are now running the world.

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(02-13-2022 09:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  there's this guy I once remember that satisfied that req't ... his name is Donald John Trump ... he was the 45th potus ... you didn't like him either...
#groverII

Let me be clear about what I didn't like about Trump. I was always afraid that he would manage to lose the 2020 election--and he did. His ego got in the way of doing things that were politically smart. I want and expect a fighter like Trump. But I want a smart fighter, one who understands that winning elections is the most important thing.

Democrats all seem to realize that. Look at their posts when discussing possible candidates--so-and-so could win Illinois but he/she might have trouble wining Michigan, comments like that. All they care about is whether their candidate can win. Republicans, on the other hand, talk about policies--but then when they get handed the car keys they don't do anything about it.

The one time that republicans made it about winning elections was 1994--and they won probably the biggest victory in their history. Then they frittered it all away.

Republicans need a fighter with some political sense, and they don't seem to be able to come up with one. Trump was a fighter, but he didn't have political sense.

(02-13-2022 09:25 AM)b2b Wrote:  It's basically revenge of the nerds. Bunch of egg headed dorks who got wedgies in high school are now running the world.

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sadly, yeahhhhhh

it is scribbled somewhere that the meek shall inherit the earth...

#tragicalIrony

Nancy’s own private NKVD still not being widely reported.

Shooting the unarmed gal in the neck making more and more sense.

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But here's the thing about this. Are republicans going to do anything about it? Or will they simply cower and give in again?

Don't demur in foolishness. We are either a nation of laws which apply to all of us regardless of station or we are not! Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law are just as evil as Democrats who do the same. You raise an appeal which ignores the mark.

Not quite sure where we disagree or how you think I miss the mark.

My point is that those, "Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law," are absolutely worthless. If republicans are not going to function as opposition and resistance, of what use are they?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick. And as Stink made the point earlier, I think (I’m still learning his language), politics is binary in this country and has been for forever.

We could use your voice in the GOP to influence things in a direction more to your liking. Maybe we become the Owl party, probably not, but if Libertarians could give up this third party fantasy, we’d probably all be better off. And I know you’re one of the more reasonable Libertarians out there. No offense intended.

Amen!!! Funny thing is that many of their policies are fantasy land stuff that has zero chance of happening in the real world. A pragmatic approach is much better than trying to be the smartest guy in the room. It's a weird thing about Libertarians. They seem to go out of their way to show they're above it all. I'm not sure most of them actually care about solutions as much as appearing to be smarter. DJT essentially was the 3rd party guy who kicked the door down of the GOP. Libertarians would be wise to follow his lead if they have any intent of influencing the country for the better.

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^^^this/

Trump co-opted the Republican Party. Bernie and the squad co-opted the democrat party. Only way it works. Third parties are a nonstarter in this system.

(02-12-2022 11:59 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 09:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But here's the thing about this. Are republicans going to do anything about it? Or will they simply cower and give in again?

Don't demur in foolishness. We are either a nation of laws which apply to all of us regardless of station or we are not! Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law are just as evil as Democrats who do the same. You raise an appeal which ignores the mark.

Not quite sure where we disagree or how you think I miss the mark.

My point is that those, "Republicans owned by outside interests who act above the law," are absolutely worthless. If republicans are not going to function as opposition and resistance, of what use are they?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

This statement is becoming as tired as Frank’s “think like a university president” schtick.

And in american politics, its not true.

The enemy of an elitist left is an elitist right. But both are my enemies. Both will screw me over and neither does what I want them to do.

The only "friend" you have in politics is someone whose ideals align with yours, and they execute on that. Promises made, promises kept. My friend in politics is not my enemy's enemy. My friend in politics isnt someone who gripes about the left, and then doesnt do anything I want them to do. My enemies' enemies did a great job of griping about Clinton and Obama, but when Trump came along, they decided to suck some democratic d*ck and tried to run him off. They are not my friends.

Hence Trump.

With Trump, it didnt matter how crappy my enemies' enemies were. They were completely irrelevant.

(02-13-2022 09:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The only "friend" you have in politics is someone whose ideals align with yours, and they execute on that. Promises made, promises kept. My friend in politics is not my enemy's enemy. My friend in politics isn't someone who gripes about the left, and then doesn't do anything I want them to do. My enemies' enemies did a great job of griping about Clinton and Obama, but when Trump came along, they decided to suck some democratic d*ck and tried to run him off. They are not my friends.

They are not my friends because they are not by enemies' enemies.

I have two problems with republicans:

1) They are not savvy, not election smart. You can't do anything if you don't win elections, and they don't seem to understand that.

2) When they do win elections, they don't do what they said they were going to do.

Donald Trump delivered on #2, but in doing so made the RINOs uncomfortable, so they turned on him. There were a whole lot of RINOs who would rather see Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party. So neither Trump nor the RINOs ultimately delivered on #1. You can't win elections if that way.

(02-13-2022 10:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 09:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The only "friend" you have in politics is someone whose ideals align with yours, and they execute on that. Promises made, promises kept. My friend in politics is not my enemy's enemy. My friend in politics isn't someone who gripes about the left, and then doesn't do anything I want them to do. My enemies' enemies did a great job of griping about Clinton and Obama, but when Trump came along, they decided to suck some democratic d*ck and tried to run him off. They are not my friends.

They are not my friends because they are not by enemies' enemies.

I have two problems with republicans:

1) They are not savvy, not election smart. You can't do anything if you don't win elections, and they don't seem to understand that.

2) When they do win elections, they don't do what they said they were going to do.

Donald Trump delivered on #2, but in doing so made the RINOs uncomfortable, so they turned on him. There were a whole lot of RINOs who would rather see Joe Biden as president than Donald Trump as head of the republican party. So neither Trump nor the RINOs ultimately delivered on #1. You can't win elections if that way.

Then your enemies are the Left and the RINOS because Trump is your friend.

(02-12-2022 09:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The same Jake Sullivan who is currently wanting to wage war with Russia....

If only half of the words in the quotes below are true this is some serious ****.

It literally makes Watergate look like petty theft. Throw in quid pro quo payoffs to do the deed. What in the holy hell. This should be breaking news across every station and media outlets.


"Steven Tyrrell, a white-collar criminal defense attorney specializing in fraud cases, has confirmed that his client Joffe is the person referred to as “Tech Executive-1” throughout the Sussmann indictment. “Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to nonpublic data at multiple internet companies to conduct opposition research concerning Trump,” Durham’s grand jury stated. “In furtherance of these efforts, [Joffe] had enlisted, and was continuing to enlist, the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university [Georgia Tech] who were receiving and analyzing internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract.”

The indictment also alleges that the computer scientists knew the internet data they compiled was innocuous but sent it to the FBI anyway, sending agents down a dead end: “Sussmann, [Joffe] and [Perkins Coie] had coordinated, and were continuing to coordinate, with representatives and agents of the Clinton campaign with regard to the data and written materials that Sussmann gave to the FBI and the media.”

One of the campaign representatives with whom Joffe coordinated was Jake Sullivan, who was acting as Clinton’s foreign policy adviser, as RealClearInvestigations first reported. Now serving in the White House as President Biden’s national security adviser, Sullivan is under scrutiny for statements he made under oath to Congress about his knowledge of the Trump-Alfa research project. In a potential conflict of interest, Attorney General Merrick Garland employed Sullivan’s wife Maggie as a law clerk when he was a federal judge. Garland controls the purse strings to Durham’s investigation and whether his final report will be released to the public.

At the time, Joffe was advising President Obama on security matters and positioning himself for a top cybersecurity post in an anticipated Clinton administration. “I was tentatively offered the top [cybersecurity] job by the Democrats when it looked like they’d win,” he revealed in a November 2016 email obtained by prosecutors.

Meanwhile, the Georgia Tech researchers were vying for a $17 million Pentagon contract to research cybersecurity, which they landed in November 2016, federal documents show.

Government funding in hand, they continued mining nonpublic data on Trump after he took office in 2017 — as Sussmann, Sullivan and other former Clinton campaign officials renewed their effort to connect Trump to Alfa Bank. This time, they enlisted former FBI analyst-turned-Democratic-operative Dan Jones to re-engage the FBI, while Sussmann attempted to get the CIA interested in the internet data, as RCI first reported. Investigators have also subpoenaed Jones, who did not respond to requests for comment"



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