(02-04-2022 06:04 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  BOOM! Outta here.

Ahh, thanks!


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(02-04-2022 12:27 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates shouldnt be dribbling the ball at all. Honestly, Penny has made way too many mistakes with Bates. Bates should be a slasher/cutter, with screens to open him up going to the basket for easy passes, lay ins.

Ya'll think if Bates had gone to many other schools like Auburn, Gonzaga, hell even UTK he would be a bust like he is here? I say no. Penny hasnt done much with his 5 stars. Precious was an absolute hustle machine but as far as actual development when he was here? Not much at all. In fact, who has developed over there time here? Not ALo, Malcolm, Lester.. Williams is the player he came in as, Nolley is the player he came in as... etc. etc. Penny does not seem to be helping his players or the team. I am really turning a corner on my support of Penny. I just dont think he is a good coach, and while I used to think he could become a good coach, I am seriously doubting it now.

Spot on.
Part being a good coach is improving your players weaknesses. Penny exposed Bates’ weaknesses instead of improving them.

so bates is now 6' 10.5" in height

(02-04-2022 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 02:30 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Now we are blaming Penny for Bates' shortcomings? Stop. Sure Penny could have done some things to not expose him as much, but if the kid were as awesome as he was made out to be then it would have been a non-issue. He gives players too much liberty at times, but that can be a good thing if it's the right player. The kid is young and needs to get stronger; that is his biggest issue. That and he can't create his own shot.

I'm not gonna say Finch didn't develop Penny, but he came in and was awesome from day 1. Of course AH was 2 years older than Bates when he first stepped on a college court. That makes a big difference.

I don’t see people blaming Penny for Emoni’s shortcomings. I see people stating Penny has not helped Emoni develop his shortcomings or put him in a position to not allow his shortcomings be exploited. Instead it is almost the opposite where he has put him in a position to have those shortcomings exposed.

A huge part of the job is managing egos, recognizing players strengths and weaknesses and then putting them in the best position possible to protect the weaknesses and take advantage of the strengths.

Oddly enough this may work on Bates favor and allow him to address those areas of development.

I do think Bates is gone however. If I was him I would stick with Penny but don't see that happening. Bates dad is a huge problem in that kids development and he does not belong in the Finch.

(02-05-2022 03:14 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 02:30 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Now we are blaming Penny for Bates' shortcomings? Stop. Sure Penny could have done some things to not expose him as much, but if the kid were as awesome as he was made out to be then it would have been a non-issue. He gives players too much liberty at times, but that can be a good thing if it's the right player. The kid is young and needs to get stronger; that is his biggest issue. That and he can't create his own shot.

I'm not gonna say Finch didn't develop Penny, but he came in and was awesome from day 1. Of course AH was 2 years older than Bates when he first stepped on a college court. That makes a big difference.

I don’t see people blaming Penny for Emoni’s shortcomings. I see people stating Penny has not helped Emoni develop his shortcomings or put him in a position to not allow his shortcomings be exploited. Instead it is almost the opposite where he has put him in a position to have those shortcomings exposed.

A huge part of the job is managing egos, recognizing players strengths and weaknesses and then putting them in the best position possible to protect the weaknesses and take advantage of the strengths.

Oddly enough this may work on Bates favor and allow him to address those areas of development.

I do think Bates is gone however. If I was him I would stick with Penny but don't see that happening. Bates dad is a huge problem in that kids development and he does not belong in the Finch.

yep, I think every "business" decision they have made concerning Bates has been a mistake. They have screwed his development over the past couple of years and seem to be continuing.

(02-05-2022 02:20 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  so bates is now 6' 10.5" in height

Bates is pretty tall, I was looking at him next to Minott and thinking he had grown some.

(02-05-2022 03:17 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 02:20 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  so bates is now 6' 10.5" in height

Bates is pretty tall, I was looking at him next to Minott and thinking he had grown some.

Bates has the measurables and seems to have the ability to develop his skills...

He is going to have to put in some work to overcome some of his deficiencies though.

I am not sure he gets drafted in the first round if he was eligible this year.

Yup that Penny sure exposed Moussa's weaknesses.

His free throws have improved tremendously since he left for OKState. Nothing else did but, hey, who's counting.... except ESPN
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ussa-cisse

(02-05-2022 08:02 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Yup that Penny sure exposed Moussa's weaknesses.

His free throws have improved tremendously since he left for OKState. Nothing else did but, hey, who's counting.... except ESPN
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...ussa-cisse

Yeah he's boosted his career free throw percentage up to 42% with his recent improvement.

Penny has too many players he had to try & please. He’ll be better if Emoni stays in Michigan.

GTFO *****…..

(02-05-2022 03:14 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 02:30 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Now we are blaming Penny for Bates' shortcomings? Stop. Sure Penny could have done some things to not expose him as much, but if the kid were as awesome as he was made out to be then it would have been a non-issue. He gives players too much liberty at times, but that can be a good thing if it's the right player. The kid is young and needs to get stronger; that is his biggest issue. That and he can't create his own shot.

I'm not gonna say Finch didn't develop Penny, but he came in and was awesome from day 1. Of course AH was 2 years older than Bates when he first stepped on a college court. That makes a big difference.

I don’t see people blaming Penny for Emoni’s shortcomings. I see people stating Penny has not helped Emoni develop his shortcomings or put him in a position to not allow his shortcomings be exploited. Instead it is almost the opposite where he has put him in a position to have those shortcomings exposed.

A huge part of the job is managing egos, recognizing players strengths and weaknesses and then putting them in the best position possible to protect the weaknesses and take advantage of the strengths.

Oddly enough this may work on Bates favor and allow him to address those areas of development.

I do think Bates is gone however. If I was him I would stick with Penny but don't see that happening. Bates dad is a huge problem in that kids development and he does not belong in the Finch.

It very could be good for him. It is absolutely a defining moment in his life. Will he fight and improve or run and refuse to acknowledge his games needs development.

Granted him leaving Memphis doesn’t necessarily mean he is refusing to acknowledge his issues but I hope for his sake that his recognizes his weaknesses and improves. He has the skill to be phenomenal.

(02-04-2022 09:56 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 08:44 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 02:30 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Now we are blaming Penny for Bates' shortcomings? Stop. Sure Penny could have done some things to not expose him as much, but if the kid were as awesome as he was made out to be then it would have been a non-issue. He gives players too much liberty at times, but that can be a good thing if it's the right player. The kid is young and needs to get stronger; that is his biggest issue. That and he can't create his own shot.

I'm not gonna say Finch didn't develop Penny, but he came in and was awesome from day 1. Of course AH was 2 years older than Bates when he first stepped on a college court. That makes a big difference.

I don’t see people blaming Penny for Emoni’s shortcomings. I see people stating Penny has not helped Emoni develop his shortcomings or put him in a position to not allow his shortcomings be exploited. Instead it is almost the opposite where he has put him in a position to have those shortcomings exposed.

A huge part of the job is managing egos, recognizing players strengths and weaknesses and then putting them in the best position possible to protect the weaknesses and take advantage of the strengths.

So calling the kid a bust and saying he would have been better elsewhere isn’t blaming Penny? I have my doubts about how much “development” really occurs with any of these 1 year players, but whatever. Maybe I missed the detailed explanation earlier, but I don’t think we actually got there until we started discussing the nuances of the situation.

I don’t think the kid is a bust; it’s too early to say that. He hasn’t lived up to expectations, but really the hype was too much.

Would his numbers be better elsewhere? Honestly, I don’t think they’d be significantly better (if at all). Maybe people would feel warm and fuzzy if he was on a great team, but that’s probably just mind games. He can’t lead any reputable D1 team at this stage in his career and that’s ok.

Ok, lets see if I can explain this in a way that you might be able to understand with an example..

I own a remodeling company. I have an employee that is a great carpenter but absolute trash at mudding sheetrock.

I have two jobs going, one is a framing job, the other job is sheetrock. I send this employee to do sheetrock instead of framing.

Now, it is not my fault that he is bad at mudding sheetrock. I am not the cause of his "shortcoming".

But it is absolutely my fault that he is on a sheetrock job instead of on a framing job. Not only am I not taking advantage of his skills (which would help my company and his fellow workers) I am actually setting him up for failure by sending him to do something I know he isnt suited to do.

You cant blame me (or Penny) for his shortcomings but you can damned sure blame me (or Penny) for not using him in a way that puts him in a position to succeed.


Does that explain it, or are you still confused?

Exactly what I was getting at.

Not according to Penny. He says Bates is BBH

(02-06-2022 01:49 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Not according to Penny. He says Bates is BBH

I hope he’s BOH. Otherwise we’ll see 12 man rotations.

I think the world would be a slightly better place if this board was BOH.

Like most places on the internet, its just a cesspool of negativity with very few redeeming qualities. And its dominated by a small group of people basically repeating the same things over and over again with a majority negative slant.

(02-06-2022 02:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I think the world would be a slightly better place if this board was BOH.

Like most places on the internet, its just a cesspool of negativity with very few redeeming qualities. And its dominated by a small group of people basically repeating the same things over and over again with a majority negative slant.

Or you could take a chill pill and relax. Not everything in this board is to be taken seriously. Better, stay off the internet since it’s a cesspool

(02-06-2022 04:07 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 02:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I think the world would be a slightly better place if this board was BOH.

Like most places on the internet, its just a cesspool of negativity with very few redeeming qualities. And its dominated by a small group of people basically repeating the same things over and over again with a majority negative slant.

Or you could take a chill pill and relax. Not everything in this board is to be taken seriously. Better, stay off the internet since it’s a cesspool

Well my comment clearly struck a nerve with you as it will with a few others, but I stand by it.

I think some here take tiger basketball and their views WAY too seriously and that is the problem. Whether you or some others are willing to admit it or not, this place is FAR too negative and its creates a very unhealthy environment. And it creates the impression of a very nasty fan base to outsiders and recruits.

For all the good the internet brings, there is a whole lot of bad also. Much like this place is a great spot to get quick info and updates on all things tigers, but its also a terrible cesspool of negativity and has been for a number of years now.

(02-06-2022 04:49 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 04:07 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 02:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I think the world would be a slightly better place if this board was BOH.

Like most places on the internet, its just a cesspool of negativity with very few redeeming qualities. And its dominated by a small group of people basically repeating the same things over and over again with a majority negative slant.

Or you could take a chill pill and relax. Not everything in this board is to be taken seriously. Better, stay off the internet since it’s a cesspool

Well my comment clearly struck a nerve with you as it will with a few others, but I stand by it.

I think some here take tiger basketball and their views WAY too seriously and that is the problem. Whether you or some others are willing to admit it or not, this place is FAR too negative and its creates a very unhealthy environment. And it creates the impression of a very nasty fan base to outsiders and recruits.

For all the good the internet brings, there is a whole lot of bad also. Much like this place is a great spot to get quick info and updates on all things tigers, but its also a terrible cesspool of negativity and has been for a number of years now.

“Struck a nerve” - Not really man. Stop being so negative. When the sun rises tomorrow, go out and take a nice walk. You are contributing to the negativity on this board and apparently don’t even realize it. If we take every negative comment seriously from strangers, then life becomes a downer. Anyway, just my 2 cents. You do you :)

(02-06-2022 05:20 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 04:49 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 04:07 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 02:33 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I think the world would be a slightly better place if this board was BOH.

Like most places on the internet, its just a cesspool of negativity with very few redeeming qualities. And its dominated by a small group of people basically repeating the same things over and over again with a majority negative slant.

Or you could take a chill pill and relax. Not everything in this board is to be taken seriously. Better, stay off the internet since it’s a cesspool

Well my comment clearly struck a nerve with you as it will with a few others, but I stand by it.

I think some here take tiger basketball and their views WAY too seriously and that is the problem. Whether you or some others are willing to admit it or not, this place is FAR too negative and its creates a very unhealthy environment. And it creates the impression of a very nasty fan base to outsiders and recruits.

For all the good the internet brings, there is a whole lot of bad also. Much like this place is a great spot to get quick info and updates on all things tigers, but its also a terrible cesspool of negativity and has been for a number of years now.

“Struck a nerve” - Not really man. Stop being so negative. When the sun rises tomorrow, go out and take a nice walk. You are contributing to the negativity on this board and apparently don’t even realize it. If we take every negative comment seriously from strangers, then life becomes a downer. Anyway, just my 2 cents. You do you :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree.