https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/25/donal...e-of-maga/

Talks about reasons for someone other than Trump to lead:

"...But in terms of implementing the populist, nationalist agenda Trump brought to victory against all odds, his administration was a dismal failure in most respects.

On issue after issue, Trump was continually confounded and outmaneuvered by opponents of his agenda, even when the GOP retained a majority in both the House and Senate during the administration’s first two years. Democrats, of course, used the fraudulent Russia collusion hoax to cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory and embroil the administration in endless investigations to the detriment of the White House’s focus on agenda items, but they couldn’t have done it without the collaboration of Republicans who also despised Trump’s nationalist-populist agenda and seized every opportunity to undermine it. Those Republican opponents of America First were not only in congressional leadership (personified by House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell), they were in every executive agency (even among the political appointees) and within the White House itself.

If personnel is policy, Trump made the fundamental and unforgivable error of farming out the staffing of his administration to people and entities (Chris Christie, Mike Pence, the Heritage Foundation) in fundamental disagreement with his agenda on every one of his key issues. Predictably, this led to his being undermined and slow-rolled at every turn by people who regarded his electoral victory as yet another opportunity to push the same old failed pro-corporate, neocon agenda...."

Overstates his failures and dismisses his successes, but it is a very valid point. Trump made a lot of bad personnel choices.

lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

It wasn't an issue of enemies or RINOs.

It was an issue of Trump not understanding how policy gets implemented. This is a result of him never having held public office before.

For example, when he was elected, I read in several reliable places that Trump thought he'd have to make a few dozen appointments to run the executive branch. The actual number is more than 4,000 (of which about 1,200 require Senate approval and 2,800 don't require Senate approval). Trump smashed all-time records in failure to nominate people. As a result, he left large segments of the government to be run by career bureaucrats who actively opposed his policies.


Similarly, when it came to passing laws or negotiating with foreign governments, he treated negotiations with the other side like one of his real estate negotiations. In real estate, it's okay if you don't reach an agreement. There's millions of potential deal partners. If you can't find common ground with one guy, you just flip him the bird and go onto the next deal with another guy. Burning bridges is okay because you'll probably never see the guy again.

But in politics, burning a bridge with the Speaker of the House or the leader of a foreign country has real consequences. It turns those people into permanent road blocks against your policies.

Exhibit A: John McCain. Trump publicly insulted him during the campaign and delivered some very low blows (making fun of the guy for surrendering & becoming a POW? Really?). McCain never forgave him. When Trump needed McCain's vote to overturn Obamacare, McCain went out of his way to screw Trump over. It had nothing to do with McCain being a RINO; it was pure revenge.

That happened time and time again - Trump canceled the Trans-Pacific Partnership, then was shocked when none of our TPP allies would stand with him against China. Trump insulted both Merkel and her country repeatedly, so Germany has drifted away from the USA and has turned to Russia for NordStream II.

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

(01-26-2022 01:13 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It wasn't an issue of enemies or RINOs.

It was an issue of Trump not understanding how policy gets implemented. This is a result of him never having held public office before.

For example, when he was elected, I read in several reliable places that Trump thought he'd have to make a few dozen appointments to run the executive branch. The actual number is more than 4,000 (of which about 1,200 require Senate approval and 2,800 don't require Senate approval). Trump smashed all-time records in failure to nominate people. As a result, he left large segments of the government to be run by career bureaucrats who actively opposed his policies.


Similarly, when it came to passing laws or negotiating with foreign governments, he treated negotiations with the other side like one of his real estate negotiations. In real estate, it's okay if you don't reach an agreement. There's millions of potential deal partners. If you can't find common ground with one guy, you just flip him the bird and go onto the next deal with another guy. Burning bridges is okay because you'll probably never see the guy again.

But in politics, burning a bridge with the Speaker of the House or the leader of a foreign country has real consequences. It turns those people into permanent road blocks against your policies.

Exhibit A: John McCain. Trump publicly insulted him during the campaign and delivered some very low blows (making fun of the guy for surrendering & becoming a POW? Really?). McCain never forgave him. When Trump needed McCain's vote to overturn Obamacare, McCain went out of his way to screw Trump over. It had nothing to do with McCain being a RINO; it was pure revenge.

That happened time and time again - Trump canceled the Trans-Pacific Partnership, then was shocked when none of our TPP allies would stand with him against China. Trump insulted both Merkel and her country repeatedly, so Germany has drifted away from the USA and has turned to Russia for NordStream II.

Germany would always turn to Russia. They are mercenary.

(01-26-2022 01:13 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It wasn't an issue of enemies or RINOs.

It was an issue of Trump not understanding how policy gets implemented. This is a result of him never having held public office before.

For example, when he was elected, I read in several reliable places that Trump thought he'd have to make a few dozen appointments to run the executive branch. The actual number is more than 4,000 (of which about 1,200 require Senate approval and 2,800 don't require Senate approval). Trump smashed all-time records in failure to nominate people. As a result, he left large segments of the government to be run by career bureaucrats who actively opposed his policies.


Similarly, when it came to passing laws or negotiating with foreign governments, he treated negotiations with the other side like one of his real estate negotiations. In real estate, it's okay if you don't reach an agreement. There's millions of potential deal partners. If you can't find common ground with one guy, you just flip him the bird and go onto the next deal with another guy. Burning bridges is okay because you'll probably never see the guy again.

But in politics, burning a bridge with the Speaker of the House or the leader of a foreign country has real consequences. It turns those people into permanent road blocks against your policies.

Exhibit A: John McCain. Trump publicly insulted him during the campaign and delivered some very low blows (making fun of the guy for surrendering & becoming a POW? Really?). McCain never forgave him. When Trump needed McCain's vote to overturn Obamacare, McCain went out of his way to screw Trump over. It had nothing to do with McCain being a RINO; it was pure revenge.

That happened time and time again - Trump canceled the Trans-Pacific Partnership, then was shocked when none of our TPP allies would stand with him against China. Trump insulted both Merkel and her country repeatedly, so Germany has drifted away from the USA and has turned to Russia for NordStream II.

whoa trigger ... you're telling me the POTUS is expected to know all these people to replace all those people ... wtfe ... that's just stupid shite...

and fk everybody that isn't on board with MAGA policy .... the RNC learned a hard lesson in '20 being the li'l pricktards they are.....

yeah, I'm begging for Grover II ....

(01-26-2022 01:13 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Trump thought he'd have to make a few dozen appointments to run the executive branch. The actual number is more than 4,000 (of which about 1,200 require Senate approval and 2,800 don't require Senate approval).

4,000..... That is absolute insanity. No wonder my taxes are so high.

The issue was you had dickhead republicans that believed almost everything the democrats and the media was pushing. By the time they came around to understanding they were no better than those pushing the lies....

it was too late, too much damage had been done to President Trump

If they had any balls and stood up earlier and not waited to see the poll numbers the President was pulling from everyday Americans. President Trump could have avoided a lot of the issues.

But just like some people on this board, republicans or at least some in key places got their feeling hurt. After that their puzzies (they sure dont have any balls) dried and puckered up. Republicans like that are actually worse than democrats pushing the lies. Those people are what is really destroying America because they are scared to get punched in the nose and fight back. While the democrats believe so much in what they want...

they will do anything to get it

Yeah President Trump made mistakes but he made them listening or taking advice from puzzie, no balls, republicans that are scared to actually fight for what they believe in. Which actually isnt much or at least they dont show it when they actually have the power.

President Trump made the mistake of not trying to grab the middle of Republicans, Indies and Democrats and doing whats right for American....instead of whats best for those holding government offices. I believe there's still enough good people in those three groups that can save America and stand up to republicans and democrats that actually just want to line their pockets. Or agendas.

That is where his major mistake was made. Well that and his choice of AG

Clowns. It was enemies (all of D.C.) and no help from GOP saved for judicial nominations

1. He was spied on by the FBI and the intelligence community during his transition. Before he stepped foot in D.C. the government was conspiring to take him down. That’s unheard of for any sitting President

2. Russia Collusion investigation [deemed the Watergate of our times] started within a few months of him taking office and consumed 3 years of his administrations time. * the only true mistake of Trump was picking Sessions as he shockingly recused himself from the fake investigation and allowed Trumps enemies to take control of hampering his administration*

3. GOP as a whole did nothing for Trump other can some judicial nominees and a tax cut. The establishment praised Mueller and didn’t lift a finger to question things. I got video somewhere showing the all-talk but no action Republicans

4. He started the wall himself, cut regulation and brought a lot more peace in foreign policy and made the allies begin to pay up what they owed in defense

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

which one would expect after the high level map begins to be unfolded... I wouldn't want to do it any other way .... maybe that's why certain levels of naivety can be a burden that I myself, no longer carry ...

lessons - I have a feeling Grover II won't be so kind if the next go-round is achieved....

DC Rule #1: If They've Been There Longer Than Two Terms They Don't Work For The People, The Party, or The Nation. They Work For Corporate Interests. Trump Was Surrounded by Enemies and Sabotaged Before His Oath of Office. They Simply Couldn't Out Themselves All At Once Lest The Idiot Public Get Too Suspicious Too Early Before the Counternarrative Was Built.

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

No one knew Session would recused himself. I didn’t know. you didn’t know. Trump didn’t know. In hindsight it was the worst of all mistakes but going in no one though it as a mistake

(01-26-2022 02:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

No one knew Session would recused himself. I didn’t know. you didn’t know. Trump didn’t know. In hindsight it was the worst of all mistakes but going in no one though it as a mistake

maybe not in the 'recusal category', but there were a few of us that pounded that selection gavel "against" ... more specifically pointing to Gowdy vs. losing a senate seat ... it was a monster political miscue..... we called it ...

if gts search engine was worth a shite, I'd dig 'em up....

(01-26-2022 02:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

No one knew Session would recused himself. I didn’t know. you didn’t know. Trump didn’t know. In hindsight it was the worst of all mistakes but going in no one though it as a mistake

maybe not in the 'recusal category', but there were a few of us that pounded that selection gavel "against" ... more specifically pointing to Gowdy vs. losing a senate seat ... it was a monster political miscue..... we called it ...

if gts search engine was worth a shite, I'd dig 'em up....

Guarandamntee you Jeffy got a huge overseas payout! He only stayed elected as long as he did because things were so quiet in Alabama. When that happens incumbents get re-elected. He couldn't win a race for prison janitor today! Everybody here was stunned when he was selected. There's never been a bigger Judas moment in my memory than his weaselly assed recusal. H.W. Bush had loaded the Red aisle with corporate first types. People can claim Trump's betrayal as a seminal moment, but that distinction was most profound when Reagan was cajoled into taking either Ford or H.W. as a running mate in order to get the RNC endorsement. Since H.W.'s ascension everything was about making sure there wasn't another Reagan or Perot to screw up business as usual. Trump is the proof of how entrenched things now are.

My old man never talked so much about politics as he did when Bush was elected. He said with Gorbachev and Bush having ascended to power out of the KGB and CIA the world was screwed. He had been the Air Force liaison to CIA operations in Laos and Cambodia. Something which prior to HW he had never really spoken about, and something which he buried again shortly thereafter.

(01-26-2022 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol at not including sessions as the #1 miscue …

if DJT chooses to run, I’m all in, and the never trumpeters can fk the fk off…

if he doesn’t, then it’s the next person in line with his policy in mind…

@neverDonk

Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

No one knew Session would recused himself. I didn’t know. you didn’t know. Trump didn’t know. In hindsight it was the worst of all mistakes but going in no one though it as a mistake

maybe not in the 'recusal category', but there were a few of us that pounded that selection gavel "against" ... more specifically pointing to Gowdy vs. losing a senate seat ... it was a monster political miscue..... we called it ...

if gts search engine was worth a shite, I'd dig 'em up....

Guarandamntee you Jeffy got a huge overseas payout! He only stayed elected as long as he did because things were so quiet in Alabama. When that happens incumbents get re-elected. He couldn't win a race for prison janitor today! Everybody here was stunned when he was selected. There's never been a bigger Judas moment in my memory than his weaselly assed recusal. H.W. Bush had loaded the Red aisle with corporate first types. People can claim Trump's betrayal as a seminal moment, but that distinction was most profound when Reagan was cajoled into taking either Ford or H.W. as a running mate in order to get the RNC endorsement. Since H.W.'s ascension everything was about making sure there wasn't another Reagan or Perot to screw up business as usual. Trump is the proof of how entrenched things now are.

I'm nowhere close to the brightest bulb in any pack, but how ^^^ isn't embedded in anyone with a historical clue >40 yrs. old, should be shot on site...

it's sad to say that Billy Bob was my fave prez (outside of NAFTA ... which was not within his capacity to formulate) in my lifetime (I can't get past Reagan's continuation of Nixon's war on drugs ... then H.W. elevated "no new taxes and build more prisons" to an entire other level of stupid ... it's akin to the misstep of LBJ's great society...

at the end of the day, I've only witnessed one POTUS that wasn't bought but was beforehand (therefore, he understood the shell game to a point) ...

Carter never had a chance....

#GroverII is coming for blood

addendum: Perot and Ron Paul were easily the third party candidate(s) of value before DJT ... would've loved to have seen both sit in the oval .... it's an interesting pseudo laureate think tank kinda thingy had that happened ... why they didn't take on the RNC is why they were not DJT! it's what makes DJT the best since Ike!

Here I am watching Family Feud and the question is: Name an occupation that is filled with crooks...

The number one answer with 52 out of 100 is...yep, guessed it, POLITICIANS.

POLITICIANS, many are the scum of the earth and the only ones that they care about is them and their paychecks. That's why you never see them vote for "no paycheck for them" but it's okay if others don't get one, you know, like the oil people THE SOB gave the finger to and as a result they lost their jobs...but hey, THE SOB got his 10% from sonny boy, I'll bet.

I feel like Trump don't stand a chance in 2024 but they'll turn any Republican into a greedy, racist, misogynist, etc. Run 'im anyways. Suburban moms likely college-educated Dems now anyways.

(01-26-2022 03:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I feel like Trump don't stand a chance in 2024 but they'll turn any Republican into a greedy, racist, misogynist, etc. Run 'im anyways. Suburban moms likely college-educated Dems now anyways.

hey look .... another understands how the dems/msm/corpshite 'parlay'....

we're now in a numbers game that is almost insurmountable....

(01-26-2022 03:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sessions was the biggest mistake. Trump rewarded loyalty.

No one knew Session would recused himself. I didn’t know. you didn’t know. Trump didn’t know. In hindsight it was the worst of all mistakes but going in no one though it as a mistake

maybe not in the 'recusal category', but there were a few of us that pounded that selection gavel "against" ... more specifically pointing to Gowdy vs. losing a senate seat ... it was a monster political miscue..... we called it ...

if gts search engine was worth a shite, I'd dig 'em up....

Guarandamntee you Jeffy got a huge overseas payout! He only stayed elected as long as he did because things were so quiet in Alabama. When that happens incumbents get re-elected. He couldn't win a race for prison janitor today! Everybody here was stunned when he was selected. There's never been a bigger Judas moment in my memory than his weaselly assed recusal. H.W. Bush had loaded the Red aisle with corporate first types. People can claim Trump's betrayal as a seminal moment, but that distinction was most profound when Reagan was cajoled into taking either Ford or H.W. as a running mate in order to get the RNC endorsement. Since H.W.'s ascension everything was about making sure there wasn't another Reagan or Perot to screw up business as usual. Trump is the proof of how entrenched things now are.

I'm nowhere close to the brightest bulb in any pack, but how ^^^ isn't embedded in anyone with a historical clue >40 yrs. old, should be shot on site...

it's sad to say that Billy Bob was my fave prez (outside of NAFTA ... which was not within his capacity to formulate) in my lifetime (I can't get past Reagan's continuation of Nixon's war on drugs ... then H.W. elevated "no new taxes and build more prisons" to an entire other level of stupid ... it's akin to the misstep of LBJ's great society...

at the end of the day, I've only witnessed one POTUS that wasn't bought but was beforehand (therefore, he understood the shell game to a point) ...

Carter never had a chance....

#GroverII is coming for blood

Come on Stink, it's why I keep going back to JFK. What do Ford / H.W. / CIA / Golden Triangle / LBJ / Fed Reserve all have in common???

Drugs / Black Ops / Lots of Capital Control / Lots of Arms Purchases / Lots of Corporate Profits!

Remember Reagan wasn't the first anti-establishment president after JFK. Carter's own party ambushed him, just did a better (cleaner & less obvious) job of it than Trump's.

Deep State (for lack of a better descriptor) has no party, just allegiances beyond the voters. All else is about control in this Kabuki Play. Fear of Red Spread (50's & 60's), fear of hyper inflation and the Arab oil cartel OPEC in the 70's, and one of my favorites, fear of power vacuum in Europe with collapse of the Wall (a pure creation of the press used by corporations to give birth to NAFTA and globalization as a result of that). And here we are in the next phase. In 2020 it is the stage setting for the collapse of ineffective nation states in favor of a new concept PAX Corporation!

So sorry democracy, republics, and communism were all incomplete and had widely varying degrees of fail (I'm still for a Republic thank you), but pure tyranny is Corporate in nature. I'll damn sure pass on that! The schools, the focus on praising the ignorance of youth, the social justice BS, is all table setting for dominance by the global elitist who use children to cleanly satisfy their passions like fat Romans eating snails and oysters (euphemism used in context). Smart, armed, reasonable people in every nation are now the enemy. And technology is used to silence us.

This is why I've always referred to H.W. as a Patrician. He was the worst of them in the U.S.

(01-26-2022 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/25/donal...e-of-maga/

Talks about reasons for someone other than Trump to lead:

"...But in terms of implementing the populist, nationalist agenda Trump brought to victory against all odds, his administration was a dismal failure in most respects.

On issue after issue, Trump was continually confounded and outmaneuvered by opponents of his agenda, even when the GOP retained a majority in both the House and Senate during the administration’s first two years. Democrats, of course, used the fraudulent Russia collusion hoax to cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory and embroil the administration in endless investigations to the detriment of the White House’s focus on agenda items, but they couldn’t have done it without the collaboration of Republicans who also despised Trump’s nationalist-populist agenda and seized every opportunity to undermine it. Those Republican opponents of America First were not only in congressional leadership (personified by House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell), they were in every executive agency (even among the political appointees) and within the White House itself.

If personnel is policy, Trump made the fundamental and unforgivable error of farming out the staffing of his administration to people and entities (Chris Christie, Mike Pence, the Heritage Foundation) in fundamental disagreement with his agenda on every one of his key issues. Predictably, this led to his being undermined and slow-rolled at every turn by people who regarded his electoral victory as yet another opportunity to push the same old failed pro-corporate, neocon agenda...."

Overstates his failures and dismisses his successes, but it is a very valid point. Trump made a lot of bad personnel choices.

There is no future of MAGA unless you want more rioting in the streets all over the country, including DC and the Capitol. Since Biden has been in office, all of that is behind us. Insert another MAGA mad-man in the Presidency, the rioting will start up again but even worse. Even without that, the wildly unpopular rulings coming from the radical Surpreme Court is what we have to fear when it comes to sparking more rioting.