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(01-18-2022 10:31 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I'm not really tuned into the recruiting scene. Any players of note at WW he may be looking at? CLF needs to build that "wall around Cincinnati" a little higher.

WW Running Backs Coach has a twitter feed that shows several prospects, UC appears interested in some: https://twitter.com/RB_CoachStew

247 show 2022 class

Dartanyan Tinsley
6-5 / 315
0.8600 (T)
IOL
From KY Christian?

(01-21-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  247 show 2022 class

Dartanyan Tinsley
6-5 / 315
0.8600 (T)
IOL
From KY Christian?

Interesting to see he had an 86 composite rating, making him a solid 3-star recruit. At 6’4, 315 with a huge wing span, he has incredible measurable. The staff had three years to mold him.

(01-21-2022 08:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  247 show 2022 class

Dartanyan Tinsley
6-5 / 315
0.8600 (T)
IOL
From KY Christian?

Interesting to see he had an 86 composite rating, making him a solid 3-star recruit. At 6’4, 315 with a huge wing span, he has incredible measurable. The staff had three years to mold him.

From what little I've seen on him (photographic and on film) he looks like a cookie cutter guard/interior mauler. Low COM and trunk like a redwood.

Unless he’s a plug and play interior lineman it seems a bit odd. We seem to already have some quality depth and experience in multiple classes at guard. It’s OT we need help with.

Dartanyan Tinsley picks Cincinnati over Temple and Western Kentucky. Tinsley was in the transfer portal spending his first few seasons with Kentucky Christian University. The interior offensive lineman stands 6-foot-5 and weighs 315 pounds, he will be push starters Jeremy Cooper and Lorenz Metz in the 2022 season. If he can’t unseat the current starter he will provide legit depth to a position you can never have too many legit players at.

Tinsley will have three years of eligibility left.

He is an Owensboro, Kentucky native which isn’t far from Cincinnati.

He had an offer from Central Michigan prior to the O line coach coming here. He must really like the kid is my guess.

(01-21-2022 11:53 PM)dsquare Wrote:  He had an offer from Central Michigan prior to the O line coach coming here. He must really like the kid is my guess.

i would love to know his back story. Was he underrecruited or under exposed in HS? Why NAIA vs. D3/D2/FCS? i think it was Justin Williams that mentioned his measurables being top tier. i suppose there's no harm in taking a flyer with high upside, especially with the transfer portal allowing movement in and out of programs so readily. And it's becoming more common for a player from a lower tier of football to be recruited up by higher tier teams (iirc, there's a OL from Cornell who's recruitment is on fire).

That said, i can't tell whether this disappoints me or not. On some level, this type of recruitment is par for the course. i mean, our OL, at various points in the season, had both an international student from Germany and a former FCS AA getting major snaps. This mining for diamonds in the rough is a familiar tactic. My frustration stems from the OL being one of our weaker (or arguably weakest) units on the team. Whether it's lack of development or lack of recruiting (or both), something like this doesn't give peace of mind (with the caveat that Dartanyan hasn't even taken a practice snap). i guess i was hopeful that the success from the past couple of seasons would elevate our recruiting, especially of the OL positions. Actually, the more i type in this post, it's become obvious that i'm disappointed. Hopefully, Dartanyan turns out to be a monster OL and proves me completely wrong.

Staff must think he projects as at least an upgrade down the road. It feels a bit like another UC hockey player type reclamation project.

NAIA football is pretty much small division high school level. It’s the place where the kid who didn’t play much in your HS but wants to keep playing for love of the game goes.

When this guy meets Brady Collins he’s in for a treat. Guessing his experience in the weight room is at best limited.

For those who don’t know anything about Kentucky Christian University it’s in Grayson KY where Jackson Julson came from. Entire school has an enrollment of about 1/2 of what UC fit into a History of Jazz & Pop class with Simon what’s his name. Think they had about 450 students last year.

Meh, in this day and age of the transfer portal if the kid is a bust he will be playing for Doug Philip’s YSU Penguins in a year or two. I don’t see the downside of seeing if a kid with these measurable’s can provide some depth on the OL.

(01-22-2022 09:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:53 PM)dsquare Wrote:  He had an offer from Central Michigan prior to the O line coach coming here. He must really like the kid is my guess.

i would love to know his back story. Was he underrecruited or under exposed in HS? Why NAIA vs. D3/D2/FCS? i think it was Justin Williams that mentioned his measurables being top tier. i suppose there's no harm in taking a flyer with high upside, especially with the transfer portal allowing movement in and out of programs so readily. And it's becoming more common for a player from a lower tier of football to be recruited up by higher tier teams (iirc, there's a OL from Cornell who's recruitment is on fire).

That said, i can't tell whether this disappoints me or not. On some level, this type of recruitment is par for the course. i mean, our OL, at various points in the season, had both an international student from Germany and a former FCS AA getting major snaps. This mining for diamonds in the rough is a familiar tactic. My frustration stems from the OL being one of our weaker (or arguably weakest) units on the team. Whether it's lack of development or lack of recruiting (or both), something like this doesn't give peace of mind (with the caveat that Dartanyan hasn't even taken a practice snap). i guess i was hopeful that the success from the past couple of seasons would elevate our recruiting, especially of the OL positions. Actually, the more i type in this post, it's become obvious that i'm disappointed. Hopefully, Dartanyan turns out to be a monster OL and proves me completely wrong.

Most linemen outside of the very elite usually take until year 3 through 5 to produce. If you look at our recruits from Fickell’s first two years to the last two years, then the OL ratings have gone from something like 78-83 to 82-88 which is a pretty good result. Unfortunately many of these guys aren’t going to be ready for a couple more years.

We are a far way off from the having an elite OL still and that is usually the piece that makes a program truly elite IMO. I am happy with the progress being made and expect to have solid units here on.

Just to note, Jordan Davis #99 Georgia was a high 3 star recruit (only 8 offers but good football schools) so plenty of guys that aren’t your typical 5 stars can become monsters with time.

(01-22-2022 10:34 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-22-2022 09:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:53 PM)dsquare Wrote:  He had an offer from Central Michigan prior to the O line coach coming here. He must really like the kid is my guess.

i would love to know his back story. Was he underrecruited or under exposed in HS? Why NAIA vs. D3/D2/FCS? i think it was Justin Williams that mentioned his measurables being top tier. i suppose there's no harm in taking a flyer with high upside, especially with the transfer portal allowing movement in and out of programs so readily. And it's becoming more common for a player from a lower tier of football to be recruited up by higher tier teams (iirc, there's a OL from Cornell who's recruitment is on fire).

That said, i can't tell whether this disappoints me or not. On some level, this type of recruitment is par for the course. i mean, our OL, at various points in the season, had both an international student from Germany and a former FCS AA getting major snaps. This mining for diamonds in the rough is a familiar tactic. My frustration stems from the OL being one of our weaker (or arguably weakest) units on the team. Whether it's lack of development or lack of recruiting (or both), something like this doesn't give peace of mind (with the caveat that Dartanyan hasn't even taken a practice snap). i guess i was hopeful that the success from the past couple of seasons would elevate our recruiting, especially of the OL positions. Actually, the more i type in this post, it's become obvious that i'm disappointed. Hopefully, Dartanyan turns out to be a monster OL and proves me completely wrong.

Most linemen outside of the very elite usually take until year 3 through 5 to produce. If you look at our recruits from Fickell’s first two years to the last two years, then the OL ratings have gone from something like 78-83 to 82-88 which is a pretty good result. Unfortunately many of these guys aren’t going to be ready for a couple more years.

We are a far way off from the having an elite OL still and that is usually the piece that makes a program truly elite IMO. I am happy with the progress being made and expect to have solid units here on.

Just to note, Jordan Davis #99 Georgia was a high 3 star recruit (only 8 offers but good football schools) so plenty of guys that aren’t your typical 5 stars can become monsters with time.

i don't want to derail this thread so i'll limit my response. i'm probably being both impatient and apprehensive of the upcoming b12 competition. All the same, i have no choice but to be patient and hope things improve.

in terms of the bolded, almost all of the Bearcats that got drafted to date in my memory (since the late 90s) fit that characterization. i mean, that epitomizes Clifton Style before that was a hashtag in SM campaigns.

The other big thing with lineman is where they are playing. Look no further than a guy like Metz who struggled at tackle and was a mauler at guard. This kid body wise was likely always put outside given his size and reach, but it appears the Cmu guy sees him as an inside guy who steamrolls and clogs things up passing wise. The fact that a new experience line coach wanted him is usually a good sign.

(01-22-2022 10:34 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-22-2022 09:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:53 PM)dsquare Wrote:  He had an offer from Central Michigan prior to the O line coach coming here. He must really like the kid is my guess.

i would love to know his back story. Was he underrecruited or under exposed in HS? Why NAIA vs. D3/D2/FCS? i think it was Justin Williams that mentioned his measurables being top tier. i suppose there's no harm in taking a flyer with high upside, especially with the transfer portal allowing movement in and out of programs so readily. And it's becoming more common for a player from a lower tier of football to be recruited up by higher tier teams (iirc, there's a OL from Cornell who's recruitment is on fire).

That said, i can't tell whether this disappoints me or not. On some level, this type of recruitment is par for the course. i mean, our OL, at various points in the season, had both an international student from Germany and a former FCS AA getting major snaps. This mining for diamonds in the rough is a familiar tactic. My frustration stems from the OL being one of our weaker (or arguably weakest) units on the team. Whether it's lack of development or lack of recruiting (or both), something like this doesn't give peace of mind (with the caveat that Dartanyan hasn't even taken a practice snap). i guess i was hopeful that the success from the past couple of seasons would elevate our recruiting, especially of the OL positions. Actually, the more i type in this post, it's become obvious that i'm disappointed. Hopefully, Dartanyan turns out to be a monster OL and proves me completely wrong.

Most linemen outside of the very elite usually take until year 3 through 5 to produce. If you look at our recruits from Fickell’s first two years to the last two years, then the OL ratings have gone from something like 78-83 to 82-88 which is a pretty good result. Unfortunately many of these guys aren’t going to be ready for a couple more years.

We are a far way off from the having an elite OL still and that is usually the piece that makes a program truly elite IMO. I am happy with the progress being made and expect to have solid units here on.

Just to note, Jordan Davis #99 Georgia was a high 3 star recruit (only 8 offers but good football schools) so plenty of guys that aren’t your typical 5 stars can become monsters with time.

This is true at the NFL level too.

Zach Strief (Milford High grad) spent 5 years at Northwestern and was a backup in the NFL until his 6th season. Ended up having a 12 year NFL career and being something of a minor legend among New Orleans Saints fans. Retired and became their play-by-play guy on the radio for three years before becoming their assistant O-Line coach this year.

Quote:Cincinnati football head coach Luke Fickell announced the addition of transfer offensive lineman Dartanyan Tinsley on Tuesday.

Tinsley joins the Bearcats after spending the last three seasons at Kentucky Christian University in Grayson, Ky.

The 6-5, 315-pounder collected First Team All-National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA) honors in 2020-21 and grabbed First Team All-Mid-South Conference Appalachian Division accolades in back-to-back seasons (2020-21).

"We are excited to welcome Dartanyan Tinsley to our Cincinnati football family," Fickell said. "Dartanyan has the size, athleticism and competitiveness to make an impact here at UC. More importantly, he's an all-around great young man. He has several ties to Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, so it was a natural fit for him to join our program. I'm looking forward to watching him work with Coach Cummings and seeing him practice this spring. He can be a great player for us."

Tinsley, who spent his early years in Covington, Ky., also earned Mid-South Conference Appalachian Division Football Academic All-Conference honors in 2021.

He paved the way for the Knights' offense to rank as one of the NAIA's best during the 2020-21 season (moved from the fall to the spring due to COVID-19 protocols). KCU finished 6-2 and ranked third in the nation in total offense (3,324), third in scoring (256) and third in rushing yards (1,852).

A star at Owensboro (Ky.) High School, where he graduated in 2019, Tinsley was selected to play in the annual Best of the Bluegrass All-Star Football Game in 2019. The all-star game matched up the top players in the state of Kentucky.

Another Big Ugly

We got a QB, LB, OL, WR, K now we just need a RB.

McDuffie from Buffalo still available. High 3* at .8900- and 1,000-yard rusher. 6' 205

This is sort of OT but Miami U. has lost basically all of their best players on defense to the transfer portal. Obviously we picked up MLB Ivan Pace, 2nd Team All-MAC DE Lonnie Phelphs transferred to Kansas and now 1st Team All-MAC DE Kameron Butler and S Cecil Singleton has entered the portal.

(01-25-2022 03:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is sort of OT but Miami U. has lost basically all of their best players on defense to the transfer portal. Obviously we picked up MLB Ivan Pace, 2nd Team All-MAC DE Lonnie Phelphs transferred to Kansas and now 1st Team All-MAC DE Kameron Butler and S Cecil Singleton has entered the portal.

It is Miami (as I hesitate ever so slightly), but that really sucks. How do you stay relevant when all of your best players are just auditioning for call ups to the big league?

We need a pass rushing DE. Haven't watched enough Miami to have a strong opinion on Kameron Butler in terms of the film, but given his statistics and accolades, he looks like a guy we would love to have. He's probably not a 1-for-1 replacement for Myjai, but he's likely more ready to play than anyone else who would slot into that position.

(01-25-2022 04:00 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 03:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is sort of OT but Miami U. has lost basically all of their best players on defense to the transfer portal. Obviously we picked up MLB Ivan Pace, 2nd Team All-MAC DE Lonnie Phelphs transferred to Kansas and now 1st Team All-MAC DE Kameron Butler and S Cecil Singleton has entered the portal.

It is Miami (as I hesitate ever so slightly), but that really sucks. How do you stay relevant when all of your best players are just auditioning for call ups to the big league?

Therein lies the question, and the answer to that begets another question...why are the MAC schools spending so much money on a sub-par product when they're in mostly budget freefall.