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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  by definition, any school I think is worse than my school

Pretty much applies to every poster. Kind of hard to have many schools in the division if you are an Alabama or Ohio State type fan.

In this case not really. If that were the case, it would be the P5+Big East and call it a day. I took Texas State off as that was a fair criticism (and I took Idaho State and several other XSU's off as well). SFA is a well-known mid-major. North Texas is a directional that lacks the cache of a UCF, ECU, etc.

Nobody outside of Texas heard of SFA prior to their tourney run a few year's back.
They are still way down the pecking order even in the state of Texas, as far as being well-known academically and athletically.
Sure but at this point we're dealing with "bubble" Division 1 teams. I think most agree on about 150-160 of the ones chosen and agree with most that weren't. There will be 20-30 schools on the fringe for debate. I think pay for play with come down to just that: who is willing to pay.

Unlike one of your comrades, I don't think btw that all the HBCU's will drop out: I think Howard, Hampton, Jackson State, and maybe Southern and Grambling State survive.
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  by definition, any school I think is worse than my school

Pretty much applies to every poster. Kind of hard to have many schools in the division if you are an Alabama or Ohio State type fan.

In this case not really. If that were the case, it would be the P5+Big East and call it a day. I took Texas State off as that was a fair criticism (and I took Idaho State and several other XSU's off as well). SFA is a well-known mid-major. North Texas is a directional that lacks the cache of a UCF, ECU, etc.

Nobody outside of Texas heard of SFA prior to their tourney run a few year's back.
They are still way down the pecking order even in the state of Texas, as far as being well-known academically and athletically.
Sure but at this point we're dealing with "bubble" Division 1 teams. I think most agree on about 150-160 of the ones chosen and agree with most that weren't. There will be 20-30 schools on the fringe for debate. I think pay for play with come down to just that: who is willing to pay.

Unlike one of your comrades, I don't think btw that all the HBCU's will drop out: I think Howard, Hampton, Jackson State, and maybe Southern and Grambling State survive.

Florida A&M is a land-grant school. So is South Carolina State, who won the Celebration Bowl this past season. Or do you not do decent research?
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(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.
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(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  by definition, any school I think is worse than my school

Pretty much applies to every poster. Kind of hard to have many schools in the division if you are an Alabama or Ohio State type fan.

In this case not really. If that were the case, it would be the P5+Big East and call it a day. I took Texas State off as that was a fair criticism (and I took Idaho State and several other XSU's off as well). SFA is a well-known mid-major. North Texas is a directional that lacks the cache of a UCF, ECU, etc.

Nobody outside of Texas heard of SFA prior to their tourney run a few year's back.
They are still way down the pecking order even in the state of Texas, as far as being well-known academically and athletically.
Sure but at this point we're dealing with "bubble" Division 1 teams. I think most agree on about 150-160 of the ones chosen and agree with most that weren't. There will be 20-30 schools on the fringe for debate. I think pay for play with come down to just that: who is willing to pay.

Unlike one of your comrades, I don't think btw that all the HBCU's will drop out: I think Howard, Hampton, Jackson State, and maybe Southern and Grambling State survive.

Florida A&M is a land-grant school. So is South Carolina State, who won the Celebration Bowl this past season. Or do you not do decent research?

Great. I said most land grants. SCSU does not have a bigger brand than Hampton, Howard, Jackson State, Southern, or Grambling.
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(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.

On the other hand EKU has a pretty strong FCS football history and Murray doesn't have much of a football history. What I'm hearing is you are basing this pretty much solely on basketball. As with UNT and SFA, Murray ranks below EKU in the hierarchy in Kentucky.
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.

On the other hand EKU has a pretty strong FCS football history and Murray doesn't have much of a football history. What I'm hearing is you are basing this pretty much solely on basketball. As with UNT and SFA, Murray ranks below EKU in the hierarchy in Kentucky.
Division 1 membership is literally based on basketball. There are several D2 schools that have stronger football programs than FCS programs but they do not play Division 1.

FCS football is irrelevant. Arch Madness final is on CBS and other MVC games throughout the season are on TV. ASUN football is on ESPN+.
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(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  by definition, any school I think is worse than my school

Pretty much applies to every poster. Kind of hard to have many schools in the division if you are an Alabama or Ohio State type fan.

In this case not really. If that were the case, it would be the P5+Big East and call it a day. I took Texas State off as that was a fair criticism (and I took Idaho State and several other XSU's off as well). SFA is a well-known mid-major. North Texas is a directional that lacks the cache of a UCF, ECU, etc.

Nobody outside of Texas heard of SFA prior to their tourney run a few year's back.
They are still way down the pecking order even in the state of Texas, as far as being well-known academically and athletically.
Sure but at this point we're dealing with "bubble" Division 1 teams. I think most agree on about 150-160 of the ones chosen and agree with most that weren't. There will be 20-30 schools on the fringe for debate. I think pay for play with come down to just that: who is willing to pay.

Unlike one of your comrades, I don't think btw that all the HBCU's will drop out: I think Howard, Hampton, Jackson State, and maybe Southern and Grambling State survive.

Florida A&M is a land-grant school. So is South Carolina State, who won the Celebration Bowl this past season. Or do you not do decent research?

Well they are a special category of land grant, not the statewide land grant like Kansas St., Washington St., Auburn, Mississippi St., etc. I think its clear what he meant with regard to land grant.
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.

On the other hand EKU has a pretty strong FCS football history and Murray doesn't have much of a football history. What I'm hearing is you are basing this pretty much solely on basketball. As with UNT and SFA, Murray ranks below EKU in the hierarchy in Kentucky.

Murray has had a handful of teams make noise on a national level (4 Round-of-32 teams, a couple top-25, NBA superstar, etc). That’s not really comparable to someone having a solid FCS program.

The two schools are operating on different athletic hierarchies so there is no basis for a comparison, but Murray’s BB success has had moments of national relevance that an FCS program (sans a NDSU-like dynasty or App St-Michigan like upset) can’t really replicate.
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(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:33 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
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(01-21-2022 09:07 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  What a joke.... You think Stephen F and Texas State should get in, but not North Texas??? Please. UNT has posted a winning record in each of the last 5 seasons, with a C-USA Tournament title, C-USA regular season title, CBI title, and an NCCA Tournament opening round victory over #4 seed Purdue.

As for this season, UNT is currently has the highest NET ranking of the three Dallas/Fort Worth universities.

54. UNT
57. SMU
59. TCU

Also, North Texas is the 4th largest university in the entire state of Texas (over 42,000 students), making it a major directional university. 01-wingedeagle

You get negative rep points for not doing enough homework before posting this garbage.
I'm well aware that North Texas has 40k + students and is going to the AAC. As to the inclusion of Texas State, they are a land grant. As for Stephen F. Austin; they have a strong basketball history. The problem with North Texas is that they are a directional and not a well known one outside of Texas. I did not include FAU, FIU, EMU, WMU, or CMU either. However, your input has made me consider cutting several of the XSU's.

Is that the bionic guy or the wrestler?

Its named after the "Father of Texas." Most famous early Texans-Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston, Mirabeau B. Lamar, all with universities named after them. BTW, Stone Cold did live in the city named after Stephen F.

Funny thing is "Stone Cold" Steve Austin actually played college football.... at North Texas.
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Super Division I will have only 40 schools.

The Big 20:
Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Ohio State, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Wisconsin (Northwestern withdraws, Rutgers and Maryland disinvited)

The SEC:
Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech.
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(01-21-2022 10:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Super Division I will have only 40 schools.

The Big 20:
Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Ohio State, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Wisconsin (Northwestern withdraws, Rutgers and Maryland disinvited)

The SEC:
Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech.

You wouldn't include the defending National Champions, Baylor? Really? 01-wingedeagle
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(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:33 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:13 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:07 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  What a joke.... You think Stephen F and Texas State should get in, but not North Texas??? Please. UNT has posted a winning record in each of the last 5 seasons, with a C-USA Tournament title, C-USA regular season title, CBI title, and an NCCA Tournament opening round victory over #4 seed Purdue.

As for this season, UNT is currently has the highest NET ranking of the three Dallas/Fort Worth universities.

54. UNT
57. SMU
59. TCU

Also, North Texas is the 4th largest university in the entire state of Texas (over 42,000 students), making it a major directional university. 01-wingedeagle

You get negative rep points for not doing enough homework before posting this garbage.
I'm well aware that North Texas has 40k + students and is going to the AAC. As to the inclusion of Texas State, they are a land grant. As for Stephen F. Austin; they have a strong basketball history. The problem with North Texas is that they are a directional and not a well known one outside of Texas. I did not include FAU, FIU, EMU, WMU, or CMU either. However, your input has made me consider cutting several of the XSU's.

Is that the bionic guy or the wrestler?

Its named after the "Father of Texas." Most famous early Texans-Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston, Mirabeau B. Lamar, all with universities named after them. BTW, Stone Cold did live in the city named after Stephen F.

Stephenville?
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 10:03 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.

On the other hand EKU has a pretty strong FCS football history and Murray doesn't have much of a football history. What I'm hearing is you are basing this pretty much solely on basketball. As with UNT and SFA, Murray ranks below EKU in the hierarchy in Kentucky.
Division 1 membership is literally based on basketball. There are several D2 schools that have stronger football programs than FCS programs but they do not play Division 1.

FCS football is irrelevant. Arch Madness final is on CBS and other MVC games throughout the season are on TV. ASUN football is on ESPN+.

UConn football is also irrelevant. What's your point?
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(01-21-2022 10:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:27 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  In this case not really. If that were the case, it would be the P5+Big East and call it a day. I took Texas State off as that was a fair criticism (and I took Idaho State and several other XSU's off as well). SFA is a well-known mid-major. North Texas is a directional that lacks the cache of a UCF, ECU, etc.

Nobody outside of Texas heard of SFA prior to their tourney run a few year's back.
They are still way down the pecking order even in the state of Texas, as far as being well-known academically and athletically.
Sure but at this point we're dealing with "bubble" Division 1 teams. I think most agree on about 150-160 of the ones chosen and agree with most that weren't. There will be 20-30 schools on the fringe for debate. I think pay for play with come down to just that: who is willing to pay.

Unlike one of your comrades, I don't think btw that all the HBCU's will drop out: I think Howard, Hampton, Jackson State, and maybe Southern and Grambling State survive.

Florida A&M is a land-grant school. So is South Carolina State, who won the Celebration Bowl this past season. Or do you not do decent research?

Well they are a special category of land grant, not the statewide land grant like Kansas St., Washington St., Auburn, Mississippi St., etc. I think its clear what he meant with regard to land grant.

No. I don't think he's clear at all. His entire original post is garbage.
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(01-21-2022 08:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  2022 is going to be a transformative year in college sports. It is very possible by July 1, players will be getting paid for the 2022-23 school year, and a lot of schools will have to difficult decisions to make. Also-as I heard on Matt Brown's podcast-we could see a world where AQ bids go away in basketball which could cut the wheat from the chaff.

In my opinion the following types of schools should be in Division 1
A) Any state flagship that is already Division 1 (e.g. no Alaska-Fairbanks)
B) Most land grands that are already Division 1 (Oregon State, Oklahoma State, etc.)
C) Any major technical school (Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech)
D) Any major city school (Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincy, etc.)
E) Any major state directional (UCF, ECU, USF, etc.)
F) The Ivies and service academies if they should so choose
G) Major private institutions
H) Academically well-known privates
I) Other schools that have sustained success in basketball

Here are the schools by state that I think should remain Division 1 (I'm going to offend all of you so here goes):

Alabama: Alabama, UAB, Auburn
Arizona: Arizona, Arizona State
Arkansas: Arkansas, Arkansas State
California: California, UCLA, Fresno State, Loyola Marymount, Pepperdine, St. Mary's, San Diego State, San Francisco, San Jose State, Santa Clara, USC, Stanford
Colorado: Colorado, Colorado State, Denver, Air Force
Connecticut: Connecticut, Yale
Delaware: Delaware
District of Columbia: George Washington, Georgetown, Howard
Florida: UCF, Florida, Florida State, Miami, South Florida
Georgia: Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State
Hawaii: Hawaii
Idaho: Boise State, Idaho
Illinois: Bradley, DePaul, Illinois, Illinois State, Loyola, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Southern Illinois
Indiana: Butler, Indiana, Indiana State, Notre Dame, Purdue
Iowa: Drake, Iowa, Iowa State, Northern Iowa
Kansas: Kansas, Kansas State, Wichita State
Kentucky: Kentucky, Louisville, Murray State, Western Kentucky
Louisiana: Grambling State, Louisiana, LSU, LaTech, Southern, Tulane
Maine: Maine
Maryland: Loyola, Maryland, Navy
Massachusetts: BC, BU, Harvard, Holy Cross, UMass, Northeastern
Michigan: Michigan, Michigan State
Minnesota: Minnesota
Mississippi: Jackson State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Southern Miss
Missouri: Missouri, Missouri State, St. Louis
Montana: Montana, Montana State
Nebraska: Creighton, Nebraska
Nevada: Nevada, UNLV
New Hampshire: Dartmouth, New Hampshire
New Jersey: Monmouth, Princeton, Rutgers, Seton Hall
New Mexico: New Mexico, New Mexico State
New York: Buffalo, Columbia, Cornell, Fordham, Hofstra, Iona, St. Bonaventure, St. John's, Stony Brook, Syracuse, Army
North Carolina: Appalachian State, Davidson, Duke, East Carolina, UNC, Charlotte, NC State, Wake Forest
North Dakota: North Dakota, North Dakota State
Ohio: Cincinnati, Dayton, Ohio, Ohio State, Xavier
Oklahoma: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
Oregon: Oregon, Oregon State
Pennsylvania: Drexel, Penn, Penn State, Pittsburgh, St. Joseph's, Temple, Villanova
Rhode Island: Brown, Providence, Rhode Island
South Carolina: College of Charleston, Clemson, Coastal Carolina, South Carolina
South Dakota: South Dakota, South Dakota State
Tennessee: Belmont, Memphis, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Texas: Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, Stephen F. Austin, Texas A&M, Texas, TCU, UTEP, Texas Tech
Utah: BYU, Utah, Utah State
Vermont: Vermont
Virginia: George Mason, Hampton, James Madison, Liberty, Old Dominion, Richmond, Virginia, VCU, Virginia Tech, William & Mary
Washington: Gonzaga, Washington, Washington State
West Virginia: Marshall, West Virginia
Wisconsin: Marquette, Wisconsin
Wyoming: Wyoming

Close but no cigar: FAU, FIU, Evansville, Valparaiso, Morehead State, Towson, Bucknell, Winthrop, North Texas, Quinnipiac

Just made it in: San Jose State, NIU, SIU, UNI, College of Charleston, Georgia State

Total schools remaining in Division 1: 187. March Madness would still exist in its current form:

Division 1-A schools: 113 (12-team playoff)
Division 1-AA schools: 42 (8-team playoff)
Non-football schools: 32

Rather criticize your list, I will make one of my own a little later. However, for the record, I do not agree with you.
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(01-22-2022 12:20 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:03 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Murray is under 10k students. EKU has 15,800.
You really think a school of almost 16k should be Division 2?
So yeah, you are ticking people off. And no, your list is not tight.

They are a state directional in a medium size state with no real basketball history (see W. Kentucky). Murray State is included because they have a rabid fanbase and very strong basketball program.

On the other hand EKU has a pretty strong FCS football history and Murray doesn't have much of a football history. What I'm hearing is you are basing this pretty much solely on basketball. As with UNT and SFA, Murray ranks below EKU in the hierarchy in Kentucky.
Division 1 membership is literally based on basketball. There are several D2 schools that have stronger football programs than FCS programs but they do not play Division 1.

FCS football is irrelevant. Arch Madness final is on CBS and other MVC games throughout the season are on TV. ASUN football is on ESPN+.

UConn football is also irrelevant. What's your point?

He can’t accept that… so we get these ridiculous threads on how to keep UCONN relevant. When in reality he is absolutely clueless to really anything.
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Everyone we have now and UAA, UAF so we have every state represented in D-I. Put them in the Big Sky. MIT, Johns Hopkins in the IVY. Along w/ whoever the OVC and NEC are gonna need after all the dominos, Like USI, GVSU, Indianapolis, Lincoln-Memorial, New Haven, Stonehill, Bentley. I also wanna see UWF in the SLC or the ASUN.

So 370.

It's my wish right. It still has 500 less schools than David St's D-I
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
Florida A&M is a well known HBCU football schools that draws fans to their games.

Alcorn State made noise in FCS.

North Carolina A&T should be in this list.

Tennessee State as well.

You do not based schools based on basketball alone. The FBS is based of football.
01-22-2022 02:18 AM
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
(01-21-2022 08:52 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  2022 is going to be a transformative year in college sports. It is very possible by July 1, players will be getting paid for the 2022-23 school year, and a lot of schools will have to difficult decisions to make. Also-as I heard on Matt Brown's podcast-we could see a world where AQ bids go away in basketball which could cut the wheat from the chaff.

In my opinion the following types of schools should be in Division 1
A) Any state flagship that is already Division 1 (e.g. no Alaska-Fairbanks)
B) Most land grands that are already Division 1 (Oregon State, Oklahoma State, etc.)
C) Any major technical school (Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech)
D) Any major city school (Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincy, etc.)
E) Any major state directional (UCF, ECU, USF, etc.)
F) The Ivies and service academies if they should so choose
G) Major private institutions
H) Academically well-known privates
I) Other schools that have sustained success in basketball

Here are the schools by state that I think should remain Division 1 (I'm going to offend all of you so here goes):

Alabama: Alabama, UAB, Auburn
Arizona: Arizona, Arizona State
Arkansas: Arkansas, Arkansas State
California: California, UCLA, Fresno State, Loyola Marymount, Pepperdine, St. Mary's, San Diego State, San Francisco, San Jose State, Santa Clara, USC, Stanford
Colorado: Colorado, Colorado State, Denver, Air Force
Connecticut: Connecticut, Yale
Delaware: Delaware
District of Columbia: George Washington, Georgetown, Howard
Florida: UCF, Florida, Florida State, Miami, South Florida
Georgia: Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State
Hawaii: Hawaii
Idaho: Boise State, Idaho
Illinois: Bradley, DePaul, Illinois, Illinois State, Loyola, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Southern Illinois
Indiana: Butler, Indiana, Indiana State, Notre Dame, Purdue
Iowa: Drake, Iowa, Iowa State, Northern Iowa
Kansas: Kansas, Kansas State, Wichita State
Kentucky: Kentucky, Louisville, Murray State, Western Kentucky
Louisiana: Grambling State, Louisiana, LSU, LaTech, Southern, Tulane
Maine: Maine
Maryland: Loyola, Maryland, Navy
Massachusetts: BC, BU, Harvard, Holy Cross, UMass, Northeastern
Michigan: Michigan, Michigan State
Minnesota: Minnesota
Mississippi: Jackson State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Southern Miss
Missouri: Missouri, Missouri State, St. Louis
Montana: Montana, Montana State
Nebraska: Creighton, Nebraska
Nevada: Nevada, UNLV
New Hampshire: Dartmouth, New Hampshire
New Jersey: Monmouth, Princeton, Rutgers, Seton Hall
New Mexico: New Mexico, New Mexico State
New York: Buffalo, Columbia, Cornell, Fordham, Hofstra, Iona, St. Bonaventure, St. John's, Stony Brook, Syracuse, Army
North Carolina: Appalachian State, Davidson, Duke, East Carolina, UNC, Charlotte, NC State, Wake Forest
North Dakota: North Dakota, North Dakota State
Ohio: Cincinnati, Dayton, Ohio, Ohio State, Xavier
Oklahoma: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
Oregon: Oregon, Oregon State
Pennsylvania: Drexel, Penn, Penn State, Pittsburgh, St. Joseph's, Temple, Villanova
Rhode Island: Brown, Providence, Rhode Island
South Carolina: College of Charleston, Clemson, Coastal Carolina, South Carolina
South Dakota: South Dakota, South Dakota State
Tennessee: Belmont, Memphis, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Texas: Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, Stephen F. Austin, Texas A&M, Texas, TCU, UTEP, Texas Tech
Utah: BYU, Utah, Utah State
Vermont: Vermont
Virginia: George Mason, Hampton, James Madison, Liberty, Old Dominion, Richmond, Virginia, VCU, Virginia Tech, William & Mary
Washington: Gonzaga, Washington, Washington State
West Virginia: Marshall, West Virginia
Wisconsin: Marquette, Wisconsin
Wyoming: Wyoming

Close but no cigar: FAU, FIU, Evansville, Valparaiso, Morehead State, Towson, Bucknell, Winthrop, North Texas, Quinnipiac

Just made it in: San Jose State, NIU, SIU, UNI, College of Charleston, Georgia State

Total schools remaining in Division 1: 187. March Madness would still exist in its current form:

Division 1-A schools: 113 (12-team playoff)
Division 1-AA schools: 42 (8-team playoff)
Non-football schools: 32
Move privates out. Take 128 largest publics for 6A and place in 16 districts of 8. Top 4 in each district to playoffs. 10 regular season games and 6 playoff rounds ending in final for all conferences at Jerry's World. Update districts in February of even years.

It's madness if it interferes with Spring football.
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RE: Which schools actually belong in Division 1?
No Ball State?
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