Talks about how badly students in remote learning are doing. In Ohio tests last year show they lost 1/3 of a year, with worse results among poor and minorities. These kids will NEVER catch up. Yet some districts want to put them further behind. This is a key comment:
"...America's apathy towards academic achievement is shocking. As Harvard University Professor Joseph Allen explains, "[t]here is a casualness with which some approached closing schools that I find deeply concerning, precisely because of the severe harms we've seen accumulate over the past year when schools were closed." Dr. Allen notes that children are at an extremely low risk for serious complications from COVID-19, and that CDC recommendations allow schools safely to operate in-person. "I find it stunning that the country has so failed to prioritize kids," Dr. Allen concludes...."
And its school leaders who are not prioritizing kids.
When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
(01-17-2022 01:09 AM)banker Wrote: When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
(01-17-2022 01:09 AM)banker Wrote: When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
(01-17-2022 01:09 AM)banker Wrote: When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
Meh, semantics, I think the terms have been linked so much over the years they've become interchangeable. But, I agree, true liberals are not even close to being rabidly radical like the progressive left has become, although the love peace and chicken greases element did - and have done - nothing to stop that radical element from emerging.
Liberals are almost worse in some ways. Their focus on pie in the sky issues all while smiling sweetly in their confidence that the world is a fundamentally good place has allowed the radical elements within to grow and flourish.
(This post was last modified: 01-17-2022 07:56 AM by TigerBlue4Ever.)
(01-17-2022 07:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Liberals are almost worse in some ways. Their focus on pie in the sky issues all while smiling sweetly in their confidence that the world is a fundamentally good place has allowed the radical elements within to grow and flourish.
As a retired Navy officer who knows first-hand just how nasty some places in the world can be, let me assure you that I don't fall into that trap. If I were in charge, there would be way more dead radical terrorists than there are today, and way fewer apologies for killing them.
(This post was last modified: 01-17-2022 08:10 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(01-17-2022 07:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Liberals are almost worse in some ways. Their focus on pie in the sky issues all while smiling sweetly in their confidence that the world is a fundamentally good place has allowed the radical elements within to grow and flourish.
As a retired Navy officer who knows first-hand just how nasty some places in the world can be, let me assure you that I don't fall into that trap. If I were in charge, there would be way more dead radical terrorists than there are today, and way fewer apologies for killing them.
So then you are a classical liberal, not a contemporary one.
(This post was last modified: 01-17-2022 08:25 AM by TigerBlue4Ever.)
(01-17-2022 07:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Liberals are almost worse in some ways. Their focus on pie in the sky issues all while smiling sweetly in their confidence that the world is a fundamentally good place has allowed the radical elements within to grow and flourish.
As a retired Navy officer who knows first-hand just how nasty some places in the world can be, let me assure you that I don't fall into that trap. If I were in charge, there would be way more dead radical terrorists than there are today, and way fewer apologies for killing them.
So then you are a classical liberal, not a contemporary one.
(01-17-2022 01:09 AM)banker Wrote: When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
In the true political sense they by definition our not liberals. This term got muddied after the Marxist Lenin movement of socialism. What it became was Social Liberalism. But, due to the negative connotation of Socialism early on that part of the name was dropped. That is what we are dealing with except even more of the liberal is gone and more of the social is present in their agenda. So, the term liberal at this point is an oxymoron.
(01-17-2022 03:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
when's the last time you voted for anything other than a (D)?
Do you know that the legal operating name of some of the individual state's Democrat Party is?
Or, are you implying that 'your party has left you'?
(01-17-2022 09:49 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote: when's the last time you voted for anything other than a (D)?
The last time I voted. And the time before that. And the one before that. And pretty much forever.
Not counting primaries, where I registered D (in Texas it's easy, you just ask for whichever ballot at the polls) in 2008 and 2016 to vote against Obama and Bernie. Yeah, that meant voting for Hildebeast, but I thought she was very much the lesser evil. Still do.
(This post was last modified: 01-17-2022 09:55 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(01-17-2022 01:09 AM)banker Wrote: When everything is a war, everything is a weapon. Liberals believe everything is some dire crisis and will use anything, like your children, to fight it.
Will you please quit calling them liberals?
They're not liberals, they're leftists. Liberals believe in small government, liberty, and individual rights. Leftists don't. I'm a liberal. Communists, socialists--and democrats--are leftists, not liberals. Calling them liberals implies that they deserve some moral high ground. They don't.
This is the same thing conservatives believe in. I'm failing to see the difference.
Honest question: There must be differences between liberals and conservatives. If these three core beliefs are the same, what are some of the differences?
Talks about how badly students in remote learning are doing. In Ohio tests last year show they lost 1/3 of a year, with worse results among poor and minorities. These kids will NEVER catch up. Yet some districts want to put them further behind. This is a key comment:
"...America's apathy towards academic achievement is shocking. As Harvard University Professor Joseph Allen explains, "[t]here is a casualness with which some approached closing schools that I find deeply concerning, precisely because of the severe harms we've seen accumulate over the past year when schools were closed." Dr. Allen notes that children are at an extremely low risk for serious complications from COVID-19, and that CDC recommendations allow schools safely to operate in-person. "I find it stunning that the country has so failed to prioritize kids," Dr. Allen concludes...."
And its school leaders who are not prioritizing kids.
While I'm not disagreeing with Dr. Allen, I do wonder if he's even looked at the history of education results over the past 60 years.
He should be deeply concerned about our education process in general
We spend more per pupil on education than any other country and our results are at best mediocre.
Wasn't that the same reasoning used to describe our health care system as "failed" in order to justify Obamacare? And our health care was not nearly as bad as our education. So why aren't the democrats who called our health care system "failed" saying the same about education? T-E-A-C-H-E-R-S U-N-I-O-N-S.
(01-17-2022 07:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Liberals are almost worse in some ways. Their focus on pie in the sky issues all while smiling sweetly in their confidence that the world is a fundamentally good place has allowed the radical elements within to grow and flourish.
As a retired Navy officer who knows first-hand just how nasty some places in the world can be, let me assure you that I don't fall into that trap. If I were in charge, there would be way more dead radical terrorists than there are today, and way fewer apologies for killing them.
(01-17-2022 07:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I can vouch for this. My kids didn't learn a damn thing in remote learning over two school years.
Not. A. Thing.
The little bit our kids were doing it in Florida, it was basically just give them busy work.
Mine learned a helluva lot more during these past two years. But then, I spent more time reading with them, discussing how to evaluate left wing sources and bias with them and having them write about and discuss those for practice, having conversations with them about family history, local history, American history and World history, sitting at the table with pen and paper with them, writing out the Declaration and Constitution by hand with them (together--I did it too, and it was fun and made for excellent Q&A time), playing catch in the yard or at the park with them, cooking together in the kitchen with them (takes a lot longer, but they like to eat more variety when they cook it themselves). I don't home school, but then again I do. Every parent would do well to watch a lot less football, turn their phones off daily for at least 5 hours every day while they've awake and spend more time in meaningful interaction with their kids that doesn't involve a screen being on. Now, how many parents are doing that regularly with their children in "blue" neighborhoods, if they are even around? You may miss making that extra dollar...but then again if you're sane you really won't.
(01-17-2022 07:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I can vouch for this. My kids didn't learn a damn thing in remote learning over two school years.
Not. A. Thing.
The little bit our kids were doing it in Florida, it was basically just give them busy work.
Mine learned a helluva lot more during these past two years. But then, I spent more time reading with them, discussing how to evaluate left wing sources and bias with them and having them write about and discuss those for practice, having conversations with them about family history, local history, American history and World history, sitting at the table with pen and paper with them, writing out the Declaration and Constitution by hand with them (together--I did it too, and it was fun and made for excellent Q&A time), playing catch in the yard or at the park with them, cooking together in the kitchen with them (takes a lot longer, but they like to eat more variety when they cook it themselves). I don't home school, but then again I do. Every parent would do well to watch a lot less football, turn their phones off daily for at least 5 hours every day while they've awake and spend more time in meaningful interaction with their kids that doesn't involve a screen being on. Now, how many parents are doing that regularly with their children in "blue" neighborhoods, if they are even around? You may miss making that extra dollar...but then again if you're sane you really won't.
You are the lefts greatest boogeyman. You are surely a white supremacist exercising your patriarchal privilege in order to influence and grow others into becoming radical right wing ideologues who will definitively reflect the greatest danger our democracy has ever faced.
(01-17-2022 07:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I can vouch for this. My kids didn't learn a damn thing in remote learning over two school years.
Not. A. Thing.
The little bit our kids were doing it in Florida, it was basically just give them busy work.
Mine learned a helluva lot more during these past two years. But then, I spent more time reading with them, discussing how to evaluate left wing sources and bias with them and having them write about and discuss those for practice, having conversations with them about family history, local history, American history and World history, sitting at the table with pen and paper with them, writing out the Declaration and Constitution by hand with them (together--I did it too, and it was fun and made for excellent Q&A time), playing catch in the yard or at the park with them, cooking together in the kitchen with them (takes a lot longer, but they like to eat more variety when they cook it themselves). I don't home school, but then again I do. Every parent would do well to watch a lot less football, turn their phones off daily for at least 5 hours every day while they've awake and spend more time in meaningful interaction with their kids that doesn't involve a screen being on. Now, how many parents are doing that regularly with their children in "blue" neighborhoods, if they are even around? You may miss making that extra dollar...but then again if you're sane you really won't.
You are the lefts greatest boogeyman. You are surely a white supremacist exercising your patriarchal privilege in order to influence and grow others into becoming radical right wing ideologues who will definitively reflect the greatest danger our democracy has ever faced.
