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(01-11-2022 02:55 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Seems like at least once a week when there is a news item about some "Anti-Vaxx" media personality who has died from COVID.

There's a whole website devoted to them

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

(01-11-2022 09:47 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  [quote='MajorHoople' pid='18002524' dateline='1641930904']
Seems like at least once a week when there is a news item about some "Anti-Vaxx" media personality who has died from COVID.

There's a whole website devoted to them

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
/quote]

also http://www.reddit.com/r/hermancainwaward

(01-11-2022 02:46 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I just want to know now that big pharma is raking in tens of billions in vaccine profits, will they return the 10 billion the tax payers gave them to "develop" the vaccine? And why are 98% of the vaccines going to rich countries while only 2% are going to poor countries? Isn't the goal to vaccinate the world? Or just get the best return on investment, even though they didn't actually pay for the investment..

Maybe this would work better.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/01/drink...laims.html

Hey GRBRONCO, this might be even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

Everyone took their shot without hesitation, and Polio was wiped out. If it ever returns we may need another shot. If we do I hope everyone cooperates like they did back then.

(01-13-2022 05:05 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

Everyone took their shot without hesitation, and Polio was wiped out. If it ever returns we may need another shot. If we do I hope everyone cooperates like they did back then.

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by definition unless you change the definition. The likelihood of getting polio after being vaccinated is almost nil. Hence its absence here. For me going on 60+ years with no need for booster. I'm immunized not just protected.

Covid vaccine? Not so. You can have a single breakthrough or multiple with no limits to date.

You can carry and pass on Covid if currently vaccinated. I don't believe that is the case with Polio.

The CDC's changing of their definition of what a vaccine does has changed from being immunized to being protected.

Polio = immunized. Covid = protected and the longer we play this out the less this is proving to be applicably accurate.

I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and if I need #2 that will come in March. But for others with hesitancy ... I understand and do so more and more.

Why not you?

(01-13-2022 06:07 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 05:05 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

Everyone took their shot without hesitation, and Polio was wiped out. If it ever returns we may need another shot. If we do I hope everyone cooperates like they did back then.

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by definition unless you change the definition. The likelihood of getting polio after being vaccinated is almost nil. Hence its absence here. For me going on 60+ years with no need for booster. I'm immunized not just protected.

Covid vaccine? Not so. You can have a single breakthrough or multiple with no limits to date.

You can carry and pass on Covid if currently vaccinated. I don't believe that is the case with Polio.

The CDC's changing of their definition of what a vaccine does has changed from being immunized to being protected.

Polio = immunized. Covid = protected and the longer we play this out the less this is proving to be applicably accurate.

I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and if I need #2 that will come in March. But for others with hesitancy ... I understand and do so more and more.

Why not you?

Me too...Boosted and ready for #3 in march which I understand will be modified for Omicron.

(01-13-2022 08:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 06:07 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 05:05 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

Everyone took their shot without hesitation, and Polio was wiped out. If it ever returns we may need another shot. If we do I hope everyone cooperates like they did back then.

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by definition unless you change the definition. The likelihood of getting polio after being vaccinated is almost nil. Hence its absence here. For me going on 60+ years with no need for booster. I'm immunized not just protected.

Covid vaccine? Not so. You can have a single breakthrough or multiple with no limits to date.

You can carry and pass on Covid if currently vaccinated. I don't believe that is the case with Polio.

The CDC's changing of their definition of what a vaccine does has changed from being immunized to being protected.

Polio = immunized. Covid = protected and the longer we play this out the less this is proving to be applicably accurate.

I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and if I need #2 that will come in March. But for others with hesitancy ... I understand and do so more and more.

Why not you?

Me too...Boosted and ready for #3 in march which I understand will be modified for Omicron.

Why do you rail against those who choose not to be "protected" as one fully boosted you are potentially equal a conveyor of Covid to others?

(01-13-2022 09:47 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 08:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 06:07 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 05:05 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

Everyone took their shot without hesitation, and Polio was wiped out. If it ever returns we may need another shot. If we do I hope everyone cooperates like they did back then.

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by definition unless you change the definition. The likelihood of getting polio after being vaccinated is almost nil. Hence its absence here. For me going on 60+ years with no need for booster. I'm immunized not just protected.

Covid vaccine? Not so. You can have a single breakthrough or multiple with no limits to date.

You can carry and pass on Covid if currently vaccinated. I don't believe that is the case with Polio.

The CDC's changing of their definition of what a vaccine does has changed from being immunized to being protected.

Polio = immunized. Covid = protected and the longer we play this out the less this is proving to be applicably accurate.

I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and if I need #2 that will come in March. But for others with hesitancy ... I understand and do so more and more.

Why not you?

Me too...Boosted and ready for #3 in march which I understand will be modified for Omicron.

Why do you rail against those who choose not to be "protected" as one fully boosted you are potentially equal a conveyor of Covid to others?

You think I am bad.....check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTP2A_znYQ

Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Both sides can say that.

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Pot meet kettle!

(01-14-2022 07:37 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Both sides can say that.

Right, because I listen to medical experts. It’s funny….all the people who push these lies on Fox News & in the Republican Party also listen to the experts and get vaccinated. They just want their sheep to believe something else.

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

(01-15-2022 11:40 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:11 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Show of hands of those who’ve had the polio booster?

Had smallpox, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, shingles, shingles booster, pneumonia,
pneumonia booster, flu every year, covid 19 (3 times), and never whined or bitched about it.

What is your point?

Mine was when I received my polio vaccine in 1st grade (2 doses) I haven’t required another. That’s 60 years. A “true vaccine” by definition. Covid vax + booster + ??? many more and for how long? A true vax? Have a better understanding why some question decision makers. Move the goalposts but playing by the same rules. In time it doesn’t wear well and cynicism creeps in.

vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

"Provide immunity"... These shots do not do that.

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Which facts do I have incorrect? 1. The shots do not prevent people from getting the virus. 2. The shots do not prevent the spread of the virus.
Which one of these facts is wrong according to the "medical experts" that you listen to/watch on CNN/MSNBC?

(01-15-2022 01:45 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Which facts do I have incorrect? 1. The shots do not prevent people from getting the virus. 2. The shots do not prevent the spread of the virus.
Which one of these facts is wrong according to the "medical experts" that you listen to/watch on CNN/MSNBC?

The shots greatly reduce the chances that you will die or end up on a ventilator. It was especially true during the earlier variants. Omicron spreads a lot faster, but has less severe symptoms.

The experts I listen to represent the CDC, WHO, & FDA. No one is perfect. I'm sure they've made some mistakes during a global pandemic. But, yes I think they are more qualified to give guidance than Donald Trump, Joe Rogan, Aaron Rodgers, & Dr. Stella Immanuel.

(01-15-2022 01:54 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:45 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 07:08 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 06:14 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:35 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Even Trump is fully vaccinated (including Booster).

Yep and he can catch it and transmit it just like everyone else. I still don't see why students are required to get the shots/boosters.

You'll never see it because your politics get in the way of facts & common sense.

Which facts do I have incorrect? 1. The shots do not prevent people from getting the virus. 2. The shots do not prevent the spread of the virus.
Which one of these facts is wrong according to the "medical experts" that you listen to/watch on CNN/MSNBC?

The shots greatly reduce the chances that you will die or end up on a ventilator. It was especially true during the earlier variants. Omicron spreads a lot faster, but has less severe symptoms.

The experts I listen to represent the CDC, WHO, & FDA. No one is perfect. I'm sure they've made some mistakes during a global pandemic. But, yes I think they are more qualified to give guidance than Donald Tump, Joe Rogan, Aaron Rodgers, & Dr. Stella Immanuel.

You missed their main source of medical guidance - Facebook. They post all the memes that make people feel superior and correct, and in the end, that's all that matters to those people.