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ACC commissioner Jim Phillips: League is 'very much aligned' against College Football Playoff expansion
ByDEAN STRAKA 2 hours ago
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Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner Jim Phillips told reporters on a conference call Friday that the league is aligned in opposing expansion of the College Football Playoff. Phillips cited questions over player safety from an increased number of games an expanded playoff would bring in addition questions to Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) and NCAA governance in explaining the league's stance on expansion, according to reports.

"The membership of the ACC is very much aligned in its position that now is not the time to expand the college football playoff," Phillips said, via Yahoo! Sports' Pete Thamel. Phillips also called for "a 365-day holistic review of college football" before any playoff expansion should occur and that all coaches were "unanimous" that now is not the time for expansion, according to reporters on the call.

"The ACC prefers to immediately focus and collaborate with our colleagues to reinvent the NCAA," Phillips added, according to ESPN's Andrea Adelson. "Collectively, we have much larger issues facing us than whether to expand the CFP early by two years."

Phillips said the league was originally open to expansion of the playoff to eight teams, but that sentiment changed due to the recent evolution of the NCAA landscape. Phillips also told reporters that the stance against expansion is in no way to leverage Notre Dame into becoming a member of the ACC in football.

Phillips' comments comes days after talks on playoff expansion stalled again following the latest meeting on potential expansion between the group of administrators managing the playoff. Four years are still remaining on the playoff's current deal that includes a four-team forma

Translation:

Are you ******* crazy enough to think we will agree to this without being able to take back the NCAA Basketball Tournament?

Are you ******* crazy enough to think that we don't know if we allow the opportunity to pass that the football only powers are likely to avoid doing anything relative to basketball and allow the NCAA to continue to steal from us who are basketball oriented?

(01-14-2022 03:36 PM)green Wrote:  

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Now everyone knows why Dewey defeated Truman in 1948 - media running forth with half assed and half written stories.

(01-14-2022 04:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ACC commissioner Jim Phillips: League is 'very much aligned' against College Football Playoff expansion
ByDEAN STRAKA 2 hours ago
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Biggest Takeaways From 2021 Season (Late Kick Cut)

Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner Jim Phillips told reporters on a conference call Friday that the league is aligned in opposing expansion of the College Football Playoff. Phillips cited questions over player safety from an increased number of games an expanded playoff would bring in addition questions to Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) and NCAA governance in explaining the league's stance on expansion, according to reports.

"The membership of the ACC is very much aligned in its position that now is not the time to expand the college football playoff," Phillips said, via Yahoo! Sports' Pete Thamel. Phillips also called for "a 365-day holistic review of college football" before any playoff expansion should occur and that all coaches were "unanimous" that now is not the time for expansion, according to reporters on the call.

"The ACC prefers to immediately focus and collaborate with our colleagues to reinvent the NCAA," Phillips added, according to ESPN's Andrea Adelson. "Collectively, we have much larger issues facing us than whether to expand the CFP early by two years."

Phillips said the league was originally open to expansion of the playoff to eight teams, but that sentiment changed due to the recent evolution of the NCAA landscape. Phillips also told reporters that the stance against expansion is in no way to leverage Notre Dame into becoming a member of the ACC in football.

Phillips' comments comes days after talks on playoff expansion stalled again following the latest meeting on potential expansion between the group of administrators managing the playoff. Four years are still remaining on the playoff's current deal that includes a four-team forma

Translation:

Are you ******* crazy enough to think we will agree to this without being able to take back the NCAA Basketball Tournament?

Are you ******* crazy enough to think that we don't know if we allow the opportunity to pass that the football only powers are likely to avoid doing anything relative to basketball and allow the NCAA to continue to steal from us who are basketball oriented?

Don't follow. What do you think FSU's goal is here?

This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

So much truth in that post. Kuods to Phillips, and Swofford can go sit on a fire ant hill.

It’s a right move in my opinion.

1. The ACC opposes the current proposal. This 12 team playoff will further enlarge the gap between the ACC and the SEC.

2. Phillips also said that that expansion will happen after the current playoff contract expires. For the ACC a smaller playoff with an autobid is the best.

3. I suspect that BIG is aligned with the ACC in opposing the proposed playoff expansion which would cement the SEC’s dominance. The PAC will follow the BIG’s and the ACC’s lead.

4. If that’s the case, the ACC’s best strategy is to keep rejecting the 12 team proposal and push the SEC and the B12 to accept a smaller playoff with autobids. I personally think the Alliance has more leverage.

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 P4 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

(01-15-2022 01:59 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 P4 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:59 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 P4 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:59 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 P4 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:59 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 08:13 AM)nole Wrote:  This is interesting.

First time I have seen the ACC show courage. It likely is way to late at this point.....it certainly will piss off ESPN/SEC and so far the media is ripping the ACC.

But what choice does the ACC have? It is the bottom of the P5 P4 and falling.

I really am curious about what the strategy is here. I know this, the ACC's issue is REVENUE. Not access, not NCAA governance, not playoff expansion (well, maybe pushing for conf champ auto spot).....JUST revenue.

Regardless, the best it can do is delay the playoff expansion to 2026.....so not sure how much leverage that gives the ACC to do anything....but it's trying.


Swofford absolutely screwed the ACC....amazing how someone can be praised while being amazingly incompetent.

by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

There are two power conferences: SEC and Big Ten

The ACC’s task is to stay ahead of the Big 12 and PAC in revenue.

With Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC, that shouldn’t be a difficult task.

(01-15-2022 03:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:59 PM)green Wrote:  by then ...
big12 will be unrecognizable ...
emerging realignment w/ diminished capacity to bargain ...
roll of the dice ...

IN MIND’S EYE

Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

We are reading and writing...hearing has nothing to do with it. Try actually communicating your points.

I have news for you....the Big 12 had a larger payout than the ACC last year:

roughly $32 million for the ACC to $47 million for the Big 12.

NOBODY knows if the newly formed Big 12 will have a payout that falls below what the ACC is at.

REGARDLESS....both are going to be about $40-$50 million behind the P2. There is no award for being say $40 million behind instead of $43 million behind. BOTH those positions are screwed.


And you haven't been paying attention at all....because NEITHER the ACC nor Big 12 wield any power more than the other. Both are NOBODIES in the game of major college athletics now.

You are looking for the tallest person in a midget conference here.

(01-15-2022 03:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  There are two power conferences: SEC and Big Ten

The ACC’s task is to stay ahead of the Big 12 and PAC in revenue.

With Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC, that shouldn’t be a difficult task.

That goal accomplishes EXACTLY squat.

It doesn't matter if you are $40 million behind the P2 while others are $43 million.


You are either a player in the P2 or not. That's it.

(01-15-2022 03:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

We are reading and writing...hearing has nothing to do with it. Try actually communicating your points.

I have news for you....the Big 12 had a larger payout than the ACC last year:

roughly $32 million for the ACC to $47 million for the Big 12.

NOBODY knows if the newly formed Big 12 will have a payout that falls below what the ACC is at.

REGARDLESS....both are going to be about $40-$50 million behind the P2. There is no award for being say $40 million behind instead of $43 million behind. BOTH those positions are screwed.


And you haven't been paying attention at all....because NEITHER the ACC nor Big 12 wield any power more than the other. Both are NOBODIES in the game of major college athletics now.

You are looking for the tallest person in a midget conference here.

I write well ...
I should ...
I attended law school ...
you ...
on the other hand ...
eh ...

WHAT’S THE POINT

(01-15-2022 03:42 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

We are reading and writing...hearing has nothing to do with it. Try actually communicating your points.

I have news for you....the Big 12 had a larger payout than the ACC last year:

roughly $32 million for the ACC to $47 million for the Big 12.

NOBODY knows if the newly formed Big 12 will have a payout that falls below what the ACC is at.

REGARDLESS....both are going to be about $40-$50 million behind the P2. There is no award for being say $40 million behind instead of $43 million behind. BOTH those positions are screwed.


And you haven't been paying attention at all....because NEITHER the ACC nor Big 12 wield any power more than the other. Both are NOBODIES in the game of major college athletics now.

You are looking for the tallest person in a midget conference here.

I write well ...
I should ...
I attended law school ...
you ...
on the other hand ...
eh ...

WHAT’S THE POINT

You off your meds?

(01-15-2022 03:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

We are reading and writing...hearing has nothing to do with it. Try actually communicating your points.

I have news for you....the Big 12 had a larger payout than the ACC last year:

roughly $32 million for the ACC to $47 million for the Big 12.

NOBODY knows if the newly formed Big 12 will have a payout that falls below what the ACC is at.

REGARDLESS....both are going to be about $40-$50 million behind the P2. There is no award for being say $40 million behind instead of $43 million behind. BOTH those positions are screwed.


And you haven't been paying attention at all....because NEITHER the ACC nor Big 12 wield any power more than the other. Both are NOBODIES in the game of major college athletics now.

You are looking for the tallest person in a midget conference here.

who possesses a dedicated network ...
who anchors a new year’s day bowl ...
who just singlehandedly dashed the postseason dreams of all parties involved ...

WHO WEARS SHORT SHORTS

(01-15-2022 03:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 03:01 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:41 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:14 PM)nole Wrote:  Honestly, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Both are in the same boat. $40-$50 million behind the P2. Neither matter at that point.

please answer ...
what to make of the big12 sans texas & oklahoma ...

STRAW MAN

I honestly don't follow the point you are trying to make.

What did you want answered?

big12 no longer wields power ...

FOR THE HARD OF HEARING

We are reading and writing...hearing has nothing to do with it. Try actually communicating your points.

I have news for you....the Big 12 had a larger payout than the ACC last year:

roughly $32 million for the ACC to $47 million for the Big 12.

NOBODY knows if the newly formed Big 12 will have a payout that falls below what the ACC is at.

REGARDLESS....both are going to be about $40-$50 million behind the P2. There is no award for being say $40 million behind instead of $43 million behind. BOTH those positions are screwed.


And you haven't been paying attention at all....because NEITHER the ACC nor Big 12 wield any power more than the other. Both are NOBODIES in the game of major college athletics now.

You are looking for the tallest person in a midget conference here.

Nole, where are you getting your numbers? Here are mine and where I got them:

2020-21 B12 Revenue Distribution $345 Million
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2021/05/big-1...tribution/
Average per school $34.5 M

2019-2020 B12 Revenue Distribution $409.2 Million
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...047216002/
Average per school $40.9 M
Actual payouts ranged from $37-$40 M

2019-20 ACC Revenue Distribution $497.2 Million
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...42-million
Average per school of $35.2 M
Actual payouts ranged from $32-37 M

I can’t find the final distribution for FY 20-21 because the ACC tends not to project distributions but report only actuals. It’s better accounting practice.

FY 20-21 will include UNC's Orange Bowl and Clemson's playoff appearance, as well as ND's donation to the football side. That $28 M, plus $ 6 M, plus plus $ 6 M, only the ND money is "new", but what is new is the additional network money. 20-21 for the ACC will have brought in no less than about $540 M. ND gets a 1/15 share of all the football bowl money - OB plus playoff spots plus other bowls. All together they will get paid about $11 million for the bowl game and basketball. The other 14 will deal with revenue of a 529 M or and average per school of about $37 M and the range will be about $40 M to $35 M.

If you compare the same fiscal year, the ACC is distributing more per school and the B12 in FY 20-21. Now, there will be a hit in 21-22 because there will have been no Orange Bowl and No playoff appearance - that's a $34 M hit, but the ACC will have run a full year.

In 22-23 the ACC network will run a full year, will have Comcast, and will have the Orange Bowl. That will take revenue to about $620 M per year or an average of $44 M per school. I know FSU needs more money, but you need to fix your football program and start winning some games so you can sell the $12K tickets a game that you are not selling. That's $10-12 million a year that is totally on the state of your program.

CFP expansion with auto-bids makes the CCGs way more valuable (they become de facto playoff games).
Problem: the ACC sold it's CCG rights through 2035, IIRC.
So auto-bids benefits every P5 except the ACC.

Now, if Phillips is telling ESPN "renegotiate our CCG at the new market price if you want CFP expansion" - that would be great! While he's at it, maybe renegotiate that Orange Bowl contract, too!

In the end, those things probably amount to another $5M per team. Nothing gets the ACC up to SEC numbers (and most would say rightly so - the ACC is not as valuable as the SEC in football) -- except, as StateFan alluded, unfettered basketball money COULD do it, if the ACC didn't stink at hoops now...