Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Check Alo's career BPM stats under "Show Advanced" and you'll see he's posting BPM comparable to his rookie season which was his worse BPM season. Last year was HIS BEST BPM production and the team still got better when he was unavailable for the NIT. He's posting a NEGATIVE for OBPM which measures production while on offense. I.e. the team struggles offensively when he's on the floor.. Not hating on the kid, he's just a liability with his limited game/talent/size/athletic ability, etc.
(This post was last modified: 01-02-2022 12:08 AM by CUSA_NEWS.)
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
So that's different from your often touted net rankings how? Don't you refer to that a lot? Serious question btw, not trying to be a smartass.
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2022 12:39 PM by CUSA_NEWS.)
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 12:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
CONFUSED_NEWS, I will keep it simple...
1) Do we beat Alabama without Williams and Duren?
2) Do we lose to Tulane with Williams and Duren?
3) Do we beat Wichita without Williams and Duren?
My 6 year old nephew answered all 3 correctly. It will be the challenge of a lifetime, but on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. This is your chance to shine.
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 02:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote: How the hell could anyone know the answer especially your 6 year old nephew?
There is this old saying in sports "that is why we play the games" because you know... stats dont tell the whole story.
upsets and surprises happen in sports...
once again Stammers stating his opinions as uncontested FACTS.
We wouldn't have been 5 points better against Tulane with Williams and Duren? The rest of the team would have "picked up the slack" against Alabama and Wichita and made up the 62 points, 22 rebounds and 13 assists, Williams and Duren scored in those games?
You are so triggered that you will say anything just to disagree. It is fun and sad to watch. You are a special.
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2022 02:45 PM by Stammers.)
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(01-03-2022 12:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
CONFUSED_NEWS, I will keep it simple...
1) Do we beat Alabama without Williams and Duren?
2) Do we lose to Tulane with Williams and Duren?
3) Do we beat Wichita without Williams and Duren?
My 6 year old nephew answered all 3 correctly. It will be the challenge of a lifetime, but on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. This is your chance to shine.
We beat Tulane w/ less Alo despite who was missing. Especially on the game winning shot. Agree to disagree SB's move on....
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 02:36 PM)micman Wrote: I don't understand the argument for minutes for Minott over Alo (not the same position). I would certainly argue minutes for Minott over Bates.
Bates will/ could garner Jayden minutes.
Alo shouldn't play more than 10mins per at best. Penny knows he should go big (Earl, LQ, Josh) etc but to do so he'll have to siphon minutes from somewhere, i.e. Alo who is the only player on the team who can't play multiple positions (i.e. positionless bball) like the other players. If he could shoot, he could but he can't or don't often enough...
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(01-03-2022 12:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
CONFUSED_NEWS, I will keep it simple...
1) Do we beat Alabama without Williams and Duren?
2) Do we lose to Tulane with Williams and Duren?
3) Do we beat Wichita without Williams and Duren?
My 6 year old nephew answered all 3 correctly. It will be the challenge of a lifetime, but on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. This is your chance to shine.
Yeah, but your nephew can copy/paste, so he's clearly ahead of the curve.
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 04:25 PM)aardWolf Wrote:
(01-03-2022 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(01-03-2022 12:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(01-01-2022 11:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Josh has had a really good Box Plus- Minus a.k.a. BPM stats for many games this year (his avg BPM per game is +8.2). Posts some of the highest on the team actually.
Against Tulane, Josh had the second highest BPM at +12.0 on the team behind Jayden (+15.8) who was on fire shooting from deep. Josh however played half the minutes of Alo who had a -4.4 BPM for that game.
Play the players who produce on the court and the team wins, offense is smoother. Simple. Earl had +8.1 BPM while playing 30+ mins. He should've been the pg with the ball driving to win. He was unstoppable all game driving against Tulane. As Sheed would say, BPM analytics DON'T LIE. Facts
Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
CONFUSED_NEWS, I will keep it simple...
1) Do we beat Alabama without Williams and Duren?
2) Do we lose to Tulane with Williams and Duren?
3) Do we beat Wichita without Williams and Duren?
My 6 year old nephew answered all 3 correctly. It will be the challenge of a lifetime, but on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. This is your chance to shine.
Yeah, but your nephew can copy/paste, so he's clearly ahead of the curve.
He is ahead of CONFUSED_NEWS and memtigbb. Memtigbb thinks we would have lost to Tulane with Williams and Duren. He thinks it is Lomax' fault that LQ went 1-6 with 1 assist and 3 turnovers..
RE: Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
(01-03-2022 05:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(01-03-2022 04:25 PM)aardWolf Wrote:
(01-03-2022 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(01-03-2022 12:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:
(01-03-2022 08:24 AM)macgar32 Wrote: Box Score +/- is a trash stat...It is just a formula that has no idea what happened in the game. You can be the best defender in the world...But if you don't post stats in the boxscore you will show as a bad player.
And if you are going to use BPM to slam Lomax...Shouldn't you be saying Junior deservers a ton more minutes...4th best BPM on the team. Far ahead of Earl, Q and Nolley.
Seemed to measure Alo's defensive presence last season just fine. If it were indeed a trash stat, his seasonal DBPM stats would show little to no change instead of the big jump for last year so how do you explain that.
Btw, LQ and Nolley's production are impacted by who's on the floor w/them. I.e. w/Alo on the floor, LQ and Nolley will have an extra defender to contend with as Alo's man plays spy. How many cuts to the basket has Alo scored on? Hoe many backdoor cuts and slams has he made a la Minott when the defender isn't watching him on the preimeter?? Alo simply stands in one spot and watches as others are forced to score thru doubles. Earl, Josh and even Tyler will make you pay. As a pg, Alo needs to have a reliable jumper and floater in the lane yet he doesn't hence his negative OBPM contribution to the team....
CONFUSED_NEWS, I will keep it simple...
1) Do we beat Alabama without Williams and Duren?
2) Do we lose to Tulane with Williams and Duren?
3) Do we beat Wichita without Williams and Duren?
My 6 year old nephew answered all 3 correctly. It will be the challenge of a lifetime, but on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. This is your chance to shine.
Yeah, but your nephew can copy/paste, so he's clearly ahead of the curve.
He is ahead of CONFUSED_NEWS and memtigbb. Memtigbb thinks we would have lost to Tulane with Williams and Duren. He thinks it is Lomax' fault that LQ went 1-6 with 1 assist and 3 turnovers..
Link where I think we would have lost to Tulane with Williams and Duren. Of course you cant, because like always when you start looking like an idiot you start lying.
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Box Plus Minus (BPM) stats. Per players and per game
. Not hating on the kid, he's just a liability with his limited game/talent/size/athletic ability, etc.
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