Regressive ideology doesn't care about people. It is about their self righteous agenda to according to them. If common folks are trampled along the way so be it. This poor lady has came to the stark reality of being snowed and sold goods that are fool's gold. What Regressives fear the most are those who can think for themselves and make their own way without their help. They would never aspire to teach a man to fish but rather feed a man a fish. In this way the man is solely dependent upon them. It's obvious and all the bs that flows from their lips are lies. They simply don't care about the plight of Americans and in no way want anyone to achieve upward mobility regardless of their color of skin.

George Foreman once said there is no greater feeling in the world for a man to wake up and know he has a job to do. A sense of purpose to get something done or achieve a goal. There is a sense of pride in accomplishing things. He is correct.

On the other end of the spectrum are those waiting on the next hand out who won't respect anyone or anything because they haven't done anything but feel owed. Malcontents we deal with everyday spurred on by illegitimate Regressives. Large cities never had a chance.

(12-27-2021 11:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Regressive ideology doesn't care about people. It is about their self righteous agenda to according to them. If common folks are trampled along the way so be it. This poor lady has came to the stark reality of being snowed and sold goods that are fool's gold. What Regressives fear the most are those who can think for themselves and make their own way without their help. They would never aspire to teach a man to fish but rather feed a man a fish. In this way the man is solely dependent upon them. It's obvious and all the bs that flows from their lips are lies. They simply don't care about the plight of Americans and in no way want anyone to achieve upward mobility regardless of their color of skin.

George Foreman once said there is no greater feeling in the world for a man to wake up and know he has a job to do. A sense of purpose to get something done or achieve a goal. There is a sense of pride in accomplishing things. He is correct.

On the other end of the spectrum are those waiting on the next hand out who won't respect anyone or anything because they haven't done anything but feel owed. Malcontents we deal with everyday spurred on by illegitimate Regressives. Large cities never had a chance.

This is an excellent post. Every sentence rings true. +3. (I have only just now graduated to that exalted level, and you B.D. are the first to benefit from my enhanced rep-point powers.)



But your post does make me circle back to my earlier point, which has gotten very little traction in this thread: why so much scorn directed at this author? Maybe she is guilty of some degree of self-righteousness. But perhaps maybe she also is a victim of her given circumstances - - indoctrinated by those around her to the point where the simple act of just opening her eyes to reality is itself an heroic act.

Many of you apparently are blessed to not have to interact regularly with those completely marinated in leftist ideology. Lucky you, I suppose.

Others of us are not so lucky. Being scornful of others can be a difficult way to go through life if you happen to live in a blue-leaning community. And it seems a particularly counterproductive approach when that scorn is directed at someone who shows some degree of logic and recognition for the first time in their adult life. Kind of like kicking a puppy the first time it learns to pee outside.

Not a big deal. Casting aspersions on others is pretty much the whole point of this forum. This just strikes me as an odd place to do it.

(12-28-2021 06:30 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Regressive ideology doesn't care about people. It is about their self righteous agenda to according to them. If common folks are trampled along the way so be it. This poor lady has came to the stark reality of being snowed and sold goods that are fool's gold. What Regressives fear the most are those who can think for themselves and make their own way without their help. They would never aspire to teach a man to fish but rather feed a man a fish. In this way the man is solely dependent upon them. It's obvious and all the bs that flows from their lips are lies. They simply don't care about the plight of Americans and in no way want anyone to achieve upward mobility regardless of their color of skin.

George Foreman once said there is no greater feeling in the world for a man to wake up and know he has a job to do. A sense of purpose to get something done or achieve a goal. There is a sense of pride in accomplishing things. He is correct.

On the other end of the spectrum are those waiting on the next hand out who won't respect anyone or anything because they haven't done anything but feel owed. Malcontents we deal with everyday spurred on by illegitimate Regressives. Large cities never had a chance.

This is an excellent post. Every sentence rings true. +3. (I have only just now graduated to that exalted level, and you B.D. are the first to benefit from my enhanced rep-point powers.)



But your post does make me circle back to my earlier point, which has gotten very little traction in this thread: why so much scorn directed at this author? Maybe she is guilty of some degree of self-righteousness. But perhaps maybe she also is a victim of her given circumstances - - indoctrinated by those around her to the point where the simple act of just opening her eyes to reality is itself an heroic act.

Many of you apparently are blessed to not have to interact regularly with those completely marinated in leftist ideology. Lucky you, I suppose.

Others of us are not so lucky. Being scornful of others can be a difficult way to go through life if you happen to live in a blue-leaning community. And it seems a particularly counterproductive approach when that scorn is directed at someone who shows some degree of logic and recognition for the first time in their adult life. Kind of like kicking a puppy the first time it learns to pee outside.

Not a big deal. Casting aspersions on others is pretty much the whole point of this forum. This just strikes me as an odd place to do it.

First to BD - GREAT POST - a +3 from me as well.

AM - The "scorn" - as you put it, is really more of a you made your bed now go sleep in it mentality. She definitely is/was on board with those people until this revelation - so she is still part of the problem.

Kudos to her for maybe seeing and acknowledging the hypocrisies and flat out ignorance of people and officials her ranting is directed at.



Back to BD: Your final point is so true - we live in a "everyone is a victim society" now and the one-upsmanship is at a fever pitch. The lines that divide being in need versus owed has been completely erased. Gratitude and respect are the casualty of this mindset and it will continue to fester until more people like the author emerge from this coma.

(12-28-2021 06:30 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Regressive ideology doesn't care about people. It is about their self righteous agenda to according to them. If common folks are trampled along the way so be it. This poor lady has came to the stark reality of being snowed and sold goods that are fool's gold. What Regressives fear the most are those who can think for themselves and make their own way without their help. They would never aspire to teach a man to fish but rather feed a man a fish. In this way the man is solely dependent upon them. It's obvious and all the bs that flows from their lips are lies. They simply don't care about the plight of Americans and in no way want anyone to achieve upward mobility regardless of their color of skin.

George Foreman once said there is no greater feeling in the world for a man to wake up and know he has a job to do. A sense of purpose to get something done or achieve a goal. There is a sense of pride in accomplishing things. He is correct.

On the other end of the spectrum are those waiting on the next hand out who won't respect anyone or anything because they haven't done anything but feel owed. Malcontents we deal with everyday spurred on by illegitimate Regressives. Large cities never had a chance.

This is an excellent post. Every sentence rings true. +3. (I have only just now graduated to that exalted level, and you B.D. are the first to benefit from my enhanced rep-point powers.)



But your post does make me circle back to my earlier point, which has gotten very little traction in this thread: why so much scorn directed at this author? Maybe she is guilty of some degree of self-righteousness. But perhaps maybe she also is a victim of her given circumstances - - indoctrinated by those around her to the point where the simple act of just opening her eyes to reality is itself an heroic act.

Many of you apparently are blessed to not have to interact regularly with those completely marinated in leftist ideology. Lucky you, I suppose.

Others of us are not so lucky. Being scornful of others can be a difficult way to go through life if you happen to live in a blue-leaning community. And it seems a particularly counterproductive approach when that scorn is directed at someone who shows some degree of logic and recognition for the first time in their adult life. Kind of like kicking a puppy the first time it learns to pee outside.

Not a big deal. Casting aspersions on others is pretty much the whole point of this forum. This just strikes me as an odd place to do it.

Again, I love the sentiment attached to your statements and agree with much of what you said but the author bears a high degree of responsibility for not exercising critical thought until it is almost too late. I think we all possess the ability to think critically, whether or not it's ever developed can indeed depend on the environment in which one was raised though.

But just like some living in poverty who are able to raise themselves up out of it by sheer will so too should we be able to elevate our thinking. Now I'll admit that may be a bit idealistic but there it is.

I admire your desire to give this person the benefit of doubt while wondering how prudent it is.

I will admit that it's a better late than never scenario too. I have a dear friend who for whatever reason decided he was a democrat and voted for Obama twice. After 6 years of constant harassment from me, after thinking objectively about Lord Zero's poor performance and with the possibility that Killery would be running, he had an epiphany. He's now firmly in the conservative camp if for no other reason than he hated Killery. He became a fervent Trump supporter and is almost as obnoxious as a conservative as when he was a liberal.

I remember some years ago, being in London with my G/F, spending a few days before joining a rugby tour to South Africa. We went to dinner at a place in Covent Garden. As luck would have it, we were seated next to an American expat couple from Vienna--she was an executive at Coca-Cola Europe, and he was a teacher and sports coach. The conversation started about rugby, naturally enough, but as the evening wore on we got around to other things. The wife said something very similar about Vienna--how it was so incredibly liberal and progressive, was a beautiful city with all the amenities, but that at cocktail parties people were always complaining about how unhappy they were. She just could not understand how people could be so unhappy in such a liberal, progressive environment, but when I asked she admitted that she, too, was unhappy there. I then asked, "Did you ever wonder if it's not despite the liberal, progressive environment, but rather because of it?" She had no answer. I hope she gave that question some thought.

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

(12-28-2021 06:30 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Regressive ideology doesn't care about people. It is about their self righteous agenda to according to them. If common folks are trampled along the way so be it. This poor lady has came to the stark reality of being snowed and sold goods that are fool's gold. What Regressives fear the most are those who can think for themselves and make their own way without their help. They would never aspire to teach a man to fish but rather feed a man a fish. In this way the man is solely dependent upon them. It's obvious and all the bs that flows from their lips are lies. They simply don't care about the plight of Americans and in no way want anyone to achieve upward mobility regardless of their color of skin.

George Foreman once said there is no greater feeling in the world for a man to wake up and know he has a job to do. A sense of purpose to get something done or achieve a goal. There is a sense of pride in accomplishing things. He is correct.

On the other end of the spectrum are those waiting on the next hand out who won't respect anyone or anything because they haven't done anything but feel owed. Malcontents we deal with everyday spurred on by illegitimate Regressives. Large cities never had a chance.

This is an excellent post. Every sentence rings true. +3. (I have only just now graduated to that exalted level, and you B.D. are the first to benefit from my enhanced rep-point powers.)



But your post does make me circle back to my earlier point, which has gotten very little traction in this thread: why so much scorn directed at this author? Maybe she is guilty of some degree of self-righteousness. But perhaps maybe she also is a victim of her given circumstances - - indoctrinated by those around her to the point where the simple act of just opening her eyes to reality is itself an heroic act.

Many of you apparently are blessed to not have to interact regularly with those completely marinated in leftist ideology. Lucky you, I suppose.

Others of us are not so lucky. Being scornful of others can be a difficult way to go through life if you happen to live in a blue-leaning community. And it seems a particularly counterproductive approach when that scorn is directed at someone who shows some degree of logic and recognition for the first time in their adult life. Kind of like kicking a puppy the first time it learns to pee outside.

Not a big deal. Casting aspersions on others is pretty much the whole point of this forum. This just strikes me as an odd place to do it.

Personally, I don't think she has fully seen the light. She believes that somehow national politics is what is muddying the local political waters and wants to blame some local officials instead of seeing it for what it is. Understanding that the Regressive mind set is a religion and not to be questioned is what she is grappling with. Moral superiority and overbearing tenets are self truths of Regressives and those in disagreement are to be ostracized like Republicans have been in her city.
Nope, she still believes the utopia is still within their grasp if only the city leaders would adhere to what reality is before their eyes. This simply won't happen because it would mean they are somehow wrong in their thinking.

No, until she has an Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn revelation and pivots to fight against it full throttle she is in no man's land.

To her credit she has at least acknowledged the problem. First step in the right direction according to AA.

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

(12-28-2021 10:56 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

I wonder if he does know…….it seems that most that want to go down that path are ignorant of history and cling to the belief that “we’ll do it the right way this time”……..

………funny how “the right way” never is achieved……..because it ignores basic human nature..

(12-28-2021 10:56 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

Yet no Democrat in office is sitting around reading the communist manifesto and using it to trick their constituents. Just because you don’t like someone on the left doesn’t make them a communist. Communism is an ideology not a term for left wing politician.

It’s the same as some liberal calling trump a fascist when he’s not. Trump isn’t a fascist because he doesn’t subscribe to that ideology

(12-28-2021 11:19 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:56 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

Yet no Democrat in office is sitting around reading the communist manifesto and using it to trick their constituents. Just because you don’t like someone on the left doesn’t make them a communist. Communism is an ideology not a term for left wing politician.

It’s the same as some liberal calling trump a fascist when he’s not. Trump isn’t a fascist because he doesn’t subscribe to that ideology

You might want to go and explain this to Bernie Sanders and AOC because they are full blown what you just described.

(12-28-2021 11:42 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 11:19 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:56 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

Yet no Democrat in office is sitting around reading the communist manifesto and using it to trick their constituents. Just because you don’t like someone on the left doesn’t make them a communist. Communism is an ideology not a term for left wing politician.

It’s the same as some liberal calling trump a fascist when he’s not. Trump isn’t a fascist because he doesn’t subscribe to that ideology

You might want to go and explain this to Bernie Sanders and AOC because they are full blown what you just described.

shhhhhhhh … let ze tootsie-roll …

You see this a lot with liberals like Jon Stewart. They are able to identify the problems and even get frustrated appropriately. But their solution to the problem is more of the same....bigger government

It's the definition of insanity

The lady in the orignal OP is like 75% of the way toward being red-pilled. I hope she gets there and leaves the evil of the left behind.

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

In practice , Marxism and communism end up with a large poor proletariat full of grievances and a small group of rich elites. So the same thing the Dems policies do.

(12-28-2021 12:09 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The lady in the orignal OP is like 75% of the way toward being red-pilled. I hope she gets there and leaves the evil of the left behind.

That’s my problem with her. Almost willing to bet she will vote “more of the same” next election…….she’s not quite flipped yet………until she fully flips - she remains part of the problem….

(12-28-2021 11:42 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 11:19 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:56 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-28-2021 10:46 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Because she hasn't realized that what she has been told was "Progressivism" is actually Marxism. And in Marxism there are only two Classes. The bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It is working exactly how it is supposed to in San Francisco.

You realize that Marxism would mean that the proletariat is in control not some 55 year old rich people.

And you do realize true Marxism is only used as a tool to put folks under their thumb. It doesn't exist.

Yet no Democrat in office is sitting around reading the communist manifesto and using it to trick their constituents. Just because you don’t like someone on the left doesn’t make them a communist. Communism is an ideology not a term for left wing politician.

It’s the same as some liberal calling trump a fascist when he’s not. Trump isn’t a fascist because he doesn’t subscribe to that ideology

You might want to go and explain this to Bernie Sanders and AOC because they are full blown what you just described.

AOC called herself a capitalist and Bernie advocated for European social democracy. Neither of these things are something a Marxist would do. Even the Democrats that call themselves “Socialists” don’t want to see the US get rid of capitalism they want European social democracy.

(12-28-2021 12:42 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  AOC called herself a capitalist and Bernie advocated for European social democracy. Neither of these things are something a Marxist would do. Even the Democrats that call themselves “Socialists” don’t want to see the US get rid of capitalism they want European social democracy.

No, they don't. The difference is that AOC and Bernie (and increasing numbers of democrats) want massive redistribution of income and wealth, which are not part of capitalism nor of European social democracy.

(12-28-2021 12:42 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  AOC called herself a capitalist and Bernie advocated for European social democracy. Neither of these things are something a Marxist would do. Even the Democrats that call themselves “Socialists” don’t want to see the US get rid of capitalism they want European social democracy.

As stated before I put in my thoughts...

That's a lie and they know it.

Democratic Socialists WANT to kill capitalism. They want _communism_ (I'll admit there may be a few who want to stop at Socailism.. and we see how well that works in Venezuela , don't we?).

And they can lie about it all they want, we know that's what they're in favor of.