(12-05-2021 12:15 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Where will they go?

As much as I detest the school in Southern Pennsylvania the language on their inclusion to the ACC has softened in the triangle in the last year. Duke, UNC and NC State have told them to #$% off since 1987. When WVU first applied to the ACC they were only a Masters College or University according to Carnegie. They didn't become an R2 until 1996 and finally become an R1 in 2017. They have more degrees than NC State and 6 other ACC schools.

The time might be right for WVU, as much as I hate them, the higher admin have worked to improve.

If the AAC takes WVU, it’ll show how desperate they are. They have turned them down twice before IIRC. In no way, shape, or form does WVU fit the academic profile of the ACC.

The AAC is clogged up. There just arent that many schools that could be added. Miami and FSU would fight against USF. The NC schools would block ECU. They missed the boat on Cincy. I highly doubt they can poach UCONN from the BE. Notre Dame isn’t going to lock itself into a conference fb schedule. VA is saturated. There’s nobody left in PA, MD, NY, SC, or GA.

(12-04-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  The MWC will dominate Football and Basketball. The MWC has 6 teams in the Ken Pom top 100, the AAC will have 1 (UAB) when Memphis and SMU leave. The AAC is going to be a permanent 1 bid league

That's hilarious. Makes me wonder if you know what that word means. Looking at just football for example, you of all people should know better than to say anything is permanent because you talked more **** about the Sun Belt than just about anyone else on here, going on and on about how C-USA is better just a couple years ago. After C-USA hit a low in football and the Sun Belt's programs improved, you changed your tune and started complaining about how C-USA made the wrong choices in whom they added.

Now some of those teams C-USA added will be moving to the AAC, while LA Tech is still stuck in C-USA with its latest group of newcomers, which leaves you just itching, out of spite (though you may deny it), to find any way possible to downplay those of us leaving.

Clearly, conferences aren't permanent. Basketball powers aren't permanent either. Nor are football powers. Nothing is permanent. You don't know what's going to happen after the realignment, as universities build new facilities and hire new coaches. And you certainly can't base anything a few years in the future on where particular programs stand right now like you're trying to do with the Ken Pom ratings. That's like a weatherman saying it's going to be cloudy tomorrow because it's cloudy today. Those are assumptions and there is zero logic in them.

That said, I hope your new football coach will work out for you, and I hope C-USA will get you a better commissioner soon. Talk about petty and unprofessional. She forced a smile when handing the trophy to Coach Traylor and didn't even say "Congratulations". Said nothing at all, in fact. Just handed it over. She wanted so much for WKU to win that thing since we're one of the programs leaving, and after seeing her reaction, it made me even happier we won.

The new AAC is shaping up to be a 2-bid league, imho. If they suffer more defections in the future, we can revisit the issue.

I have wanted out of CUSA and wanted in to a geographically western conference for years now. Mwc would be ideal, but our athletics department is in too bad of shape right now to convince the MWC to invite us.

Utep is stuck in CUSA for now and I like the new additions to the conference. Liberty has potential to be the best team in the G5 by miles. NMSU brings local rivalry for UTEP and fantastic basketball... And with coach Kill in the fold, their football has potential to improve. I like Jacksonville State for their football and fan support and the improvements they are making to their facilities. SHS is the beast of FCS right now and I am looking forward to seeing them in the Sun Bowl. They bring good football and decent basketball.

If everything goes perfect for UTEP, Dimel will win us a conference championship in the next few years or atleast show we can compete consistently. Which means the fans will start packing the sun bowl again (its why CUSA invited us originally). Dimel will have to take our program to the level Mike Price never could. And then obviously, Golding has to bring our basketball program back to relevance. On top of all this, Our AD needs to come up with an impressive plan to start improving facilities. Time to show UTEP is committed to being better and not complacent.

(12-05-2021 01:31 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  The new AAC is shaping up to be a 2-bid league, imho. If they suffer more defections in the future, we can revisit the issue.

That's still twice as good as any other option available to any of us right now or in the future. I suspect the AAC will flip annually between 2 and 3 bids with the occasional 4 bids.

(12-05-2021 04:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 01:31 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  The new AAC is shaping up to be a 2-bid league, imho. If they suffer more defections in the future, we can revisit the issue.

That's still twice as good as any other option available to any of us right now or in the future. I suspect the AAC will flip annually between 2 and 3 bids with the occasional 4 bids.

Yes, losing Cincy and Houston and they'll occasionally have 4 bids.

(12-05-2021 04:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 01:31 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  The new AAC is shaping up to be a 2-bid league, imho. If they suffer more defections in the future, we can revisit the issue.

That's still twice as good as any other option available to any of us right now or in the future. I suspect the AAC will flip annually between 2 and 3 bids with the occasional 4 bids.

A lot of programs — including Tulane and Charlotte, among others — will have to step up in a huge way for the American 2.0 to even get a sniff of 4 bids to the Dance. Will that happen? I guess you never know, but the evidence of the past 20 years says no. I think 4 bids will happen about as often as 1 bid.

I’m expecting 2 bids about 60-70% of the time, and 3 bids about 30-40% of the time.

Agreed with your comment that the American 2.0 is far superior to any other option we have.

(12-05-2021 12:15 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:02 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The B12 or whatever they will call it soon will be a shell of what it is/was in a few months. When its all said and done it most likely loses its atonomy and just like the BE loses its power status. I look for more B12 originals to leave plus maybe WVU. The B12 is going to look a lot like an urban CUSA2.0.

Where will they go?

Post-mortem on the reshuffle:

Better off
Marshall
Southern Miss
Charlotte
UAB
Florida Atlantic
North Texas
Rice
UTSA
Jacksonville State
Liberty
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State

Worse off
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Louisiana Tech
FIU
UTEP

Wait and see
Old Dominion

Better off:
JSU
SHSU


Wait and See:
Everyone else

SHSU is better off staying the WAC and FCS, where they’re better suited to succeed.

(12-05-2021 07:50 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Better off:
JSU
SHSU

Wait and See:
Everyone else

Okay.

(12-05-2021 01:10 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  The MWC will dominate Football and Basketball. The MWC has 6 teams in the Ken Pom top 100, the AAC will have 1 (UAB) when Memphis and SMU leave. The AAC is going to be a permanent 1 bid league

That's hilarious. Makes me wonder if you know what that word means. Looking at just football for example, you of all people should know better than to say anything is permanent because you talked more **** about the Sun Belt than just about anyone else on here, going on and on about how C-USA is better just a couple years ago. After C-USA hit a low in football and the Sun Belt's programs improved, you changed your tune and started complaining about how C-USA made the wrong choices in whom they added.

Now some of those teams C-USA added will be moving to the AAC, while LA Tech is still stuck in C-USA with its latest group of newcomers, which leaves you just itching, out of spite (though you may deny it), to find any way possible to downplay those of us leaving.

Clearly, conferences aren't permanent. Basketball powers aren't permanent either. Nor are football powers. Nothing is permanent. You don't know what's going to happen after the realignment, as universities build new facilities and hire new coaches. And you certainly can't base anything a few years in the future on where particular programs stand right now like you're trying to do with the Ken Pom ratings. That's like a weatherman saying it's going to be cloudy tomorrow because it's cloudy today. Those are assumptions and there is zero logic in them.

That said, I hope your new football coach will work out for you, and I hope C-USA will get you a better commissioner soon. Talk about petty and unprofessional. She forced a smile when handing the trophy to Coach Traylor and didn't even say "Congratulations". Said nothing at all, in fact. Just handed it over. She wanted so much for WKU to win that thing since we're one of the programs leaving, and after seeing her reaction, it made me even happier we won.

I agree Dawgxas. AAC will be a permanent one bid league.

We like throwing rocks from our glass houses...sheeesh!

This applies to several fanbases, and certainly we at Tech are smack in the middle of it. But, also true are those now thumping their chests like their schools' athletic programs have accomplished something great on their own merits. Nah, your school just happens to have millions of people living close by. That's it.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and take an honest look in the mirror.

As for Tech, I have posted "it is what it is." The university, and its athletic programs, did not create the local population situation. Actually, state legislatures did that 100+ years ago when they decided young men would fair better in college far away from distractions. Lots of people don't know just how close LSU came to being located at Fort Jessup in remote/rural western Louisiana. For our discussion here, none of the former CUSA schools are the big, land grant state universities, rather a "branch" and/or part of a system, or a private school.

Location aside, the leadership at Tech has made some poor decisions re: athletics, but mostly set it on cruise control and just hoped things would work out. As for the soon-to-be conference situation, it really doesn't matter. In basketball the best conference Tech has been in was the 1980's version of the Southland Conference. That little ole league had four Top 40 ranked programs from 1983-85. In 1985 Tech had the best men's/women's combination in the nation. Men finished ranked 7th, the women 3rd in the polls, with a combined 59-7 record. No one was complaining about the conference affiliation or making excuses...we had great coaches and they just won, period.

The next version of CUSA offers that same opportunity.

(12-05-2021 10:19 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 09:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Pretty simple. Most of those against a realignment with the SB were from the SB and LT who have their own history.

Well, I read something on the Internet too.

I never read a post from a LT fan in favor of a regionalization merger.

(12-05-2021 12:15 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:02 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The B12 or whatever they will call it soon will be a shell of what it is/was in a few months. When its all said and done it most likely loses its atonomy and just like the BE loses its power status. I look for more B12 originals to leave plus maybe WVU. The B12 is going to look a lot like an urban CUSA2.0.

Where will they go?

Post-mortem on the reshuffle:

Better off
Marshall
Southern Miss
Charlotte
UAB
Florida Atlantic
North Texas
Rice
UTSA
Jacksonville State
Liberty
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State

Worse off
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Louisiana Tech
FIU
UTEP

Wait and see
Old Dominion

Why’d you put ODU in “wait & see”? In terms of gaining geographical and natural rivals there’s not many that improved more than us. Lesser basketball competition is the only downside argument

(12-06-2021 09:30 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 10:19 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 09:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Pretty simple. Most of those against a realignment with the SB were from the SB and LT who have their own history.

Well, I read something on the Internet too.

I never read a post from a LT fan in favor of a regionalization merger.

Well, there ya go. Since no LT fan posted in favor of it, we must all have been a'gin it.

Makes perfect sense. Have a great day!

(12-05-2021 12:08 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:02 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 09:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  The MWC will dominate Football and Basketball. The MWC has 6 teams in the Ken Pom top 100, the AAC will have 1 (UAB) when Memphis and SMU leave. The AAC is going to be a permanent 1 bid league

It is far from a sure thing that Either of Memphis and SMU are leaving, and much less that both are. Assuming the B12 does decide to add 2 more, how soon does that happen. The new AAC will still have $$ and exposure advantages over the MWC. My guess is just like last time AAC will fairly quickly refill its spot at #6 in the conference race.

On a side note, I am surprised how well CUSA weathered the onslaught thrown at them. I think it is in a good place to rebuild from.

This is far from over. The B12 or whatever they will call it soon will be a shell of what it is/was in a few months. When its all said and done it most likely loses its atonomy and just like the BE loses its power status. I look for more B12 originals to leave plus maybe WVU. The B12 is going to look a lot like an urban CUSA2.0.

And my guess is the B12 will take both Memphis and SMU before Boise.

Leave and go exactly where? Texas and OU are the only brands worth expansion for the rest of the power conferences. None of the leftover teams increase the money for any conference.

Disagree. There are other prizes still lurking out there, but are not quite profitable enough with the way the NCAA does basketball. When that changes, and it will, you will see more realignment, IMO

(12-05-2021 01:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  If the AAC takes WVU, it’ll show how desperate they are. They have turned them down twice before IIRC. In no way, shape, or form does WVU fit the academic profile of the ACC.

The AAC is clogged up. There just arent that many schools that could be added. Miami and FSU would fight against USF. The NC schools would block ECU. They missed the boat on Cincy. I highly doubt they can poach UCONN from the BE. Notre Dame isn’t going to lock itself into a conference fb schedule. VA is saturated. There’s nobody left in PA, MD, NY, SC, or GA.

There's options out there for the ACC (think you meant these guys rather than the AAC), but they have to be willing to look outside the box for them, and they have not shown a willingness to do that yet. I'm thinking more along the lines of teams like Texas Tech & TCU. The ACC was willing to look outside the box before, but only for Texas. They ceased to be interested in the state of Texas when the Longhorns moved to the SEC. They have done so to their detriment, IMO.

(12-04-2021 11:45 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:08 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  For several years there has been two factions within C-USA. (1) Those that wanted C-USA to stay together, spend more money, and improve, and (2) those that wanted to realign with the Sun Belt into more regional conferences and save money. Generally speaking, the eastern members seemed aligned with the the second, and they hated the perceived Texas slant C-USA had taken. Neither faction actually got their way. Conference realignment has led to 6 members relocating to the American and 3 moving to the Sun Belt. And of course there are the 5 that will remain in C-USA.

I find it interesting that the majority of the members leaving for the American were against realignment with the Sun Belt, and all 3 of those moving to the Sun Belt were in favor of realigning with the Sun Belt. So, how do you feel about where your program is headed? And, do you blame/thank one side for the outcome. I'd like to read other fans' insights and perspectives on how we got where we are.

Who were the teams for and against specifically. So the team’s that left the Sunbelt didn’t want to rejoin the Belt.

From what I heard there was mutual dissatisfaction with former belt teams rejoining. While some of them reached out to gauge interest as a backup plan in case the AAC passed on them, no one really wanted to revisit.

former sun belt members didn't want to rejoin a conference they remember as having a bad reputation, and the Sun Belt didn't want to bring back members that were prime contributors to our former bad reputation.

(12-06-2021 10:08 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 09:30 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 10:19 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 09:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Pretty simple. Most of those against a realignment with the SB were from the SB and LT who have their own history.

Well, I read something on the Internet too.

I never read a post from a LT fan in favor of a regionalization merger.

Well, there ya go. Since no LT fan posted in favor of it, we must all have been a'gin it.

Makes perfect sense. Have a great day!

Should I pull up the video of your then AD’s comments regarding said realignment? It sounded pretty much the same derisive comments coming from Hog Dawg and Dawgxas on here. There may be some few LT fans that would have entertained it but to suggest that both LT’s administration and fans were squarely against it because they didn’t want to associate with some SB schools is just stupid and without anything to back it up.