(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

This is a big reason why I hope the SBC stays at the 14...Very La Tech-ish...or whatever that means. I understand where you're coming from financially, but one day you and other ECU fans will understand that ECU is more aligned with a lot of SBC schools in the regional footprint and very much culturally. The SBC school profiles will only grow as most are still very young in general or young in the FBS realm. Things just have to mature.

(11-15-2021 04:12 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

This is a big reason why I hope the SBC stays at the 14...Very La Tech-ish...or whatever that means. I understand where you're coming from financially, but one day you and other ECU fans will understand that ECU is more aligned with a lot of SBC schools in the regional footprint and very much culturally. The SBC school profiles will only grow as most are still very young in general or young in the FBS realm. Things just have to mature.

ECU is the long play, but honestly i don't know if it'll ever make sense to pay a $10MM exit fee to join another G5 conference. The leaving AAC members are going to pay their exit fee with <1 yr media payout (allegedly).

Scheduling ECU ooc for football/baseball will be the path forward for the programs that can. I imagine ODU will sign a series, and prob Marshall as well. I hope App does a followup series after our 4 game concludes. I like ECU fine, but unless there is another wholesale g5 alignment with no exit fees, we're probably not going to be in the same conference.

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

Right, that's why I said the annual payout would have to be $8-10m. A equal buyout to payout in the first year.

The number I've heard floating around after SB realignment are annual travel savings of half a million. I couldn't even begin to try to fathom ECU's travel savings if they were in the SB compared to the AAC. But you'd have to think potential ticket revenue increases from being in a division with three rivals in close proximity (one being in state) plus a historic rival in Marshall would all add up to an attractive number.

The hypothetical expansion of the Big 12 involves Boise State/Memphis/South Florida/SMU. The Mountain West probably backfills with UTEP. I guess I could see them adding UTEP/Louisiana Tech/Texas State and shifting Utah State to the west, but that strikes me as more addition for the sake of addition than anything else. If the AAC loses two teams they don't do anything, but if they lose one or three they'll probably add. I wouldn't be shocked to see them add Saint Louis in all sports and Army in football. If they want to add in the east, Georgia State seems to fit the mold that they are looking for. The public schools of the American are almost all urban campuses with large enrollments.

As far as potential Sun Belt additions. I don't foresee us taking a school from the American in the near future. Even if you believe, and I do, that our football is pretty similar the American still has a stronger brand, a very good basketball league, and a significant exit fee. In the east, Western Kentucky seems like the best option. After that you're going the FCS route, with Chattanooga being my favorite. In the west, I have no interest in Louisiana Tech unless UL-Monroe leaves the league. Otherwise, north Louisiana is spoken for as far as I'm concerned. As far as actual candidates, I'm interested to see how Sam Houston State does in FBS. They check a lot of boxes for us, competitive football, mid-size, public school, in the footprint. It's the fan support and facilities that leave much to be desired. I'm also interested in watching Tarleton State's development for the same reason. I know a lot of people were mocking CUSA for considering them, but their fan support is very strong and I think that's the most important factor for success in the G5. I think the obvious expansion choice is Missouri State though. Mid-size public school, a reasonable expansion of the footprint, competitive football team, very strong basketball team, good fan support. As far as I'm concerned they are a no brainer.

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

I don't think ECU fans are ever going to be satisfied with their conference situation. They would like to be in the ACC or SEC, but that's never going to happen.

As an App fan, I'm more than satisfied with where we are.

(11-15-2021 06:43 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

I don't think ECU fans are ever going to be satisfied with their conference situation. They would like to be in the ACC or SEC, but that's never going to happen.

As an App fan, I'm more than satisfied with where we are.

Yeah the ACC will never add another NC school..or any G5 for that matter. The SEC schools laughed at the thought of it, even when ECU was winning, so not much to say there. ECU wasn't even attractive to the desperate Big 12.

Not sure the realistic endgame for them. They should want to regionalize more.

I could honestly care less, but it would seem the SBC East division would be a great landing spot for them long term...but I also understand the financial holdout they are currently in.

(11-14-2021 11:24 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  I doubt the ACK does anything if they lose Memphis, SMU, or even USF. Adding 6 after losing 3 gave them that buffer, and things are getting to the point where they have nothing to sell to anyone already in a good spot (the SBC East), and any other additions that bring more than they take away are hard to come by.

If Boise St. bounces and the MWC looks east, I see La Tech signing up for that insanity before Texas St. Without Boise and given the current & future playoff setup, the MWC won’t have the kind of money or standing to woo anybody already in a good situation. It’s not like years ago when they were flirting with the BCS’s automatic qualifier spot.

Convincing a Montana or Dakota school to move up might be their best bet.

North and South Dakota would be better suited for the MAC. The only thing the MAC is missing is Minnesota and Fargo is basically in Minnesota, as is Sioux Falls (or wherever South Dakota is).

My 2 cents.

If for some reason we go to 16, and need another western school, I believe the wish list would be UTSA, Rice or Tulane. In that order.

At this point, most fans from UL, ULM and stAte would rather take a flyer on Missouri State than bring back tech.

(11-15-2021 01:21 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-15-2021 12:46 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I like the new SBC the way it is. Hopefully it stays together.

Same. The SBC should/could be a way better version of the MAC, just Southeastern based.

Ditto. "Together We Rise" is how we got here and it's just as true for the future. Exciting games, strong attendance, facility investments, and media coverage should only get better with the recent adds. Solidify our place as the top mid-major conference, and we'll be well positioned for what's to come.

(11-15-2021 11:43 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  My 2 cents.

If for some reason we go to 16, and need another western school, I believe the wish list would be UTSA, Rice or Tulane. In that order.

At this point, most fans from UL, ULM and stAte would rather take a flyer on Missouri State than bring back tech.

Amen, brother.

(11-14-2021 03:04 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  I think if we lost Texas State you'd have to replace with Louisiana Tech. Would make the Sun Belt Gulf Divison full of rivalries. Almost every game would be a rivalry game and it would be, most important, television worthy. Rivalries can be promoted and advertised easily. I think they wanted in the Sun Belt this go round but we had one west opening and that went to USM.

I think you have some solid points there, and reasonable minds can differ. You're right that TV ratings could be good, rivalries would be built in, and ticket sales would be good, too.

I just think the conference doesn't need to shoot itself in the foot by taking in a bridge-burning, toxic member who has long belittled two members of the conference and the conference as a whole, with no apology or distancing from past disparaging comments. This isn't just about "let em rot." It's about using smart discernment about choosing good business partners. La. Tech has a 20+ year track record of revealing who they really are, and that is someone they want to stay far away from. They have voiced a decades-long desire to anything but affiliate with ULM and Louisiana. Let's grant them that wish. Anyone who wants to play them, feel free to try to set up all the non conference games you want. Just don't drag my school into a terrible business relationship.

On top of that, why on earth do we need to triple-down on a small state when there are alternatives who are flawed but not toxic that either double you down in larger states or bring in new states? SHSU at least keeps you in the massive state of Texas. FIU is gets you into big ol Florida. MTSU also gets you into Tennessee and has a pretty good hoops history. Chattanooga gets a great city in a new state. WKU brings a great all around sports program.

Amen, brother. +2 for you.

Never mind the obvious number of their trolls on these boards, Laturd as an institution is toxic, and we should do zero to accommodate and/or reward that behavior.

As for rivalries, especially with the new adds, we have that base covered in spades. No need to add another one, much a third school from the state of Louisiana. They’ve wanted ‘separation’ for years, so they need to be content that their wish has been granted, many times over.

(11-16-2021 06:50 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 03:04 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  I think if we lost Texas State you'd have to replace with Louisiana Tech. Would make the Sun Belt Gulf Divison full of rivalries. Almost every game would be a rivalry game and it would be, most important, television worthy. Rivalries can be promoted and advertised easily. I think they wanted in the Sun Belt this go round but we had one west opening and that went to USM.

I think you have some solid points there, and reasonable minds can differ. You're right that TV ratings could be good, rivalries would be built in, and ticket sales would be good, too.

I just think the conference doesn't need to shoot itself in the foot by taking in a bridge-burning, toxic member who has long belittled two members of the conference and the conference as a whole, with no apology or distancing from past disparaging comments. This isn't just about "let em rot." It's about using smart discernment about choosing good business partners. La. Tech has a 20+ year track record of revealing who they really are, and that is someone they want to stay far away from. They have voiced a decades-long desire to anything but affiliate with ULM and Louisiana. Let's grant them that wish. Anyone who wants to play them, feel free to try to set up all the non conference games you want. Just don't drag my school into a terrible business relationship.

On top of that, why on earth do we need to triple-down on a small state when there are alternatives who are flawed but not toxic that either double you down in larger states or bring in new states? SHSU at least keeps you in the massive state of Texas. FIU is gets you into big ol Florida. MTSU also gets you into Tennessee and has a pretty good hoops history. Chattanooga gets a great city in a new state. WKU brings a great all around sports program.

Amen, brother. +2 for you.

Never mind the obvious number of their trolls on these boards, Laturd as an institution is toxic, and we should do zero to accommodate and/or reward that behavior.

As for rivalries, especially with the new adds, we have that base covered in spades. No need to add another one, much a third school from the state of Louisiana. They’ve wanted ‘separation’ for years, so they need to be content that their wish has been granted, many times over.

Well well well. Seems the biggest laturd troll has lowered itself yet again by not only visiting the lowly ‘scum belt’ board, but also went even lower by posting here lol. Don’t you have some more rep abuse to attend to?

(11-16-2021 07:43 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Well well well. Seems the biggest laturd troll has lowered itself yet again by not only visiting the lowly ‘scum belt’ board, but also went even lower by posting here lol. Don’t you have some more rep abuse to attend to?

It's funny how you accuse other people of what you're guilty of; being a troll, rep abuse, trolling other boards. That's all you do on this site, but you accuse other posters of your sins. What is that called? Hypocrite. Yes, you're a hypocrite. Seek help man, your obsession is pretty sad.

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

I understand a baseball school, that would be the 5 best baseball program in the conference if you came to the SBC. It would suck being exposed in the regular season, and not waiting till you get blown out in your regional every year

(11-15-2021 06:31 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  The hypothetical expansion of the Big 12 involves Boise State/Memphis/South Florida/SMU. The Mountain West probably backfills with UTEP. I guess I could see them adding UTEP/Louisiana Tech/Texas State and shifting Utah State to the west, but that strikes me as more addition for the sake of addition than anything else. If the AAC loses two teams they don't do anything, but if they lose one or three they'll probably add. I wouldn't be shocked to see them add Saint Louis in all sports and Army in football. If they want to add in the east, Georgia State seems to fit the mold that they are looking for. The public schools of the American are almost all urban campuses with large enrollments.

As far as potential Sun Belt additions. I don't foresee us taking a school from the American in the near future. Even if you believe, and I do, that our football is pretty similar the American still has a stronger brand, a very good basketball league, and a significant exit fee. In the east, Western Kentucky seems like the best option. After that you're going the FCS route, with Chattanooga being my favorite. In the west, I have no interest in Louisiana Tech unless UL-Monroe leaves the league. Otherwise, north Louisiana is spoken for as far as I'm concerned. As far as actual candidates, I'm interested to see how Sam Houston State does in FBS. They check a lot of boxes for us, competitive football, mid-size, public school, in the footprint. It's the fan support and facilities that leave much to be desired. I'm also interested in watching Tarleton State's development for the same reason. I know a lot of people were mocking CUSA for considering them, but their fan support is very strong and I think that's the most important factor for success in the G5. I think the obvious expansion choice is Missouri State though. Mid-size public school, a reasonable expansion of the footprint, competitive football team, very strong basketball team, good fan support. As far as I'm concerned they are a no brainer.

Chattanooga is a non starter for all the reasons you don’t like Sam Houston.

(11-16-2021 07:51 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-16-2021 07:43 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Well well well. Seems the biggest laturd troll has lowered itself yet again by not only visiting the lowly ‘scum belt’ board, but also went even lower by posting here lol. Don’t you have some more rep abuse to attend to?

It's funny how you accuse other people of what you're guilty of; being a troll, rep abuse, trolling other boards. That's all you do on this site, but you accuse other posters of your sins. What is that called? Hypocrite. Yes, you're a hypocrite. Seek help man, your obsession is pretty sad.

If this was a rom-com you two would definitely kiss in the next 90 minutes.

(11-15-2021 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  SBC won’t poach anyone from the AAC unless/until our monetary payouts exceed theirs. $8-10 million is what it would take to peak EZU’s interest, maybe more…Or their ESPN deal would have to shrink considerably the next time it comes due for renegotiation. Lot of if’s and but’s there.

Not as many Pirate fans are clamoring to be with App and Coastal as you think.

No ECU fans are "clamoring" to be with Coastal, and very few are with App. Don't take that as an insult though, because no ECU fans are clamoring to be with Tulsa/Tulane/Rice/almost all the rest of the AAC. If it made obvious financial sense to move to the SBC ECU would do it, leagues for ECU are honestly just marriages of convenience and if the SBC were to somehow become the most lucrative league available for ECU then sure we'd join. However, the likelihood that the SBC anytime if ever could be worth enough to pay a 10 million exit fee is essentially non-existent.

I think quite a few ECU people preferred App to the monstrosity that Aresco went out and added. Based on the 247 board, I'd say that most expected App to be the add once the MWC schools turned the AAC down, and the disappointment when Charlotte was announced was palpable.

If the AAC and Sun Belt payouts do become the same, and exposure on linear network games is equal, I think that ECU would be better off in the Sun Belt, personally. Good to great baseball and softball, decent enough basketball, better football.

(11-16-2021 07:51 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-16-2021 07:43 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Well well well. Seems the biggest laturd troll has lowered itself yet again by not only visiting the lowly ‘scum belt’ board, but also went even lower by posting here lol. Don’t you have some more rep abuse to attend to?

It's funny how you accuse other people of what you're guilty of; being a troll, rep abuse, trolling other boards. That's all you do on this site, but you accuse other posters of your sins. What is that called? Hypocrite. Yes, you're a hypocrite. Seek help man, your obsession is pretty sad.

So everyone who visits the Frankenstein board is a troll according to you and All4None