(11-01-2021 09:47 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 08:35 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 08:07 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 06:39 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 10:54 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They don’t care about them. CBS Sports Network barely takes away any viewers of ESPN. Look at their Saturday schedules, who is watching that stuff instead of SEC and Big 10 games?

It’s probably more of the AAC, SBC, MAC, and MWC being able to keep more for themselves and protect against future expansion choices.

Exactly. Great post.

All4hyphens is a LTU-r fan who has a sick obsession with the SBC, mainly because ULM and UL are on the winning side of the equation, and the folks from ruston are not. So to rectify this he would have us all live in a nanny-state where private companies are forced to do anything and everything to prop up the conferences and schools that no one wants.

Sad, really.

Nobody here knows or cares about either of your personal problems. Kindly leave your personal, petty squabbling on some other forum.

Hint: If your post doesn't contain any information on the WAC or any WAC schools, its probably not relevant to this board.

I agree. But the fact is All4hyphens brought it into here by slinging his same old tired trashing of the SBC. If he cannot resist bringing another conf up merely so he can trash him, expect others to respond to it.

Dude, who the hell are you? Why are you on this board? And why are you obsessed with All4One? Go back to wherever you came from. You aren't adding anything to the discussion and no one cares what you think about one single poster.

Wait, so All4One is a WAC person?

Tell me it ain't so...

(11-03-2021 02:29 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 01:01 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, for NMSU this is the litmus test on whether the current WAC FCS schools are serious about moving up to the FBS level anytime soon. Sam Houston State appeared to be the most capable to make the move up to the FBS of the Texas 4. If they balk in the final hour before joining CUSA, it tells NMSU if there is any chance for the WAC to become an FBS conference anytime soon. NMSU has made no bones about it's desire to join/form an FBS conference. If the most FBS-ready FCS schools in the WAC find itself unwilling or unready to make the move, it tells NMSU the WAC is probably not a final home for its football program. And as NMSU football goes, the rest of its sports follow. With all the money on the table the remaining CUSA schools will find a way to revive CUSA. It might be a risky move for NMSU but it now appears to be the only move left to find a home for NMSU "FBS level" football.

To answer your post is not a black white answer that you presume. Yes and no to your post. Sam Houston wants to move but not crisscrossing the country for all sports.

Todor should change his saying to if you are in a conference where NMSU is over 1000 miles from you then you are probably looking for next conference

First of all, FBS conference invites don't come around too often. CUSA has always had a large footprint and most G5 conference. Sun Belt... Austin TX to Huntington, WV to Statesboro, GA; AAC... Houston, TX to Philadelphia, PA to Boca Raton, FL. You take what you can get.

Second, if the WAC were truly interested in becoming an FBS conference anytime soon, they wouldn't invite a school like Incarnate Word into the fold given their dismal facilities. At this point, the WAC is probably losing NMSU and possibly SHSU. The WAC is currently at 13 members; losing two schools to CUSA would only drop the WAC to 11 schools. They really only needs to add one school right now to potentially replace SHSU. The fact that IW is in consideration at this point in time indicates the WAC is not serious about moving toward an FBS conference anytime soon.

(11-03-2021 03:04 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 02:29 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 01:01 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, for NMSU this is the litmus test on whether the current WAC FCS schools are serious about moving up to the FBS level anytime soon. Sam Houston State appeared to be the most capable to make the move up to the FBS of the Texas 4. If they balk in the final hour before joining CUSA, it tells NMSU if there is any chance for the WAC to become an FBS conference anytime soon. NMSU has made no bones about it's desire to join/form an FBS conference. If the most FBS-ready FCS schools in the WAC find itself unwilling or unready to make the move, it tells NMSU the WAC is probably not a final home for its football program. And as NMSU football goes, the rest of its sports follow. With all the money on the table the remaining CUSA schools will find a way to revive CUSA. It might be a risky move for NMSU but it now appears to be the only move left to find a home for NMSU "FBS level" football.

To answer your post is not a black white answer that you presume. Yes and no to your post. Sam Houston wants to move but not crisscrossing the country for all sports.

Todor should change his saying to if you are in a conference where NMSU is over 1000 miles from you then you are probably looking for next conference

First of all, FBS conference invites don't come around too often. CUSA has always had a large footprint and most G5 conference. Sun Belt... Austin TX to Huntington, WV to Statesboro, GA; AAC... Houston, TX to Philadelphia, PA to Boca Raton, FL. You take what you can get.

Second, if the WAC were truly interested in becoming an FBS conference anytime soon, they wouldn't invite a school like Incarnate Word into the fold given their dismal facilities. At this point, the WAC is probably losing NMSU and possibly SHSU. The WAC is currently at 13 members; losing two schools to CUSA would only drop the WAC to 11 schools. They really only needs to add one school right now to potentially replace SHSU. The fact that IW is in consideration at this point in time indicates the WAC is not serious about moving toward an FBS conference anytime soon.

Agreed.

Adding two schools makes no sense as we are trying to get balanced divisions. Add none if only NMSU leaves and just one if SHSU leaves with the Aggies. Either way, the WAC will be at 12 schools which to me is a good number.

Missed this though with the McMurphy tweet, well duh

(11-03-2021 06:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 05:18 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 04:27 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They have to add at least 1 more FCS school to get to the minimum 8 full members. I would assume they would likely go after someone in the eastern US to balance out the conference and give a travel partner to FIU/Liberty. After that they could go after UCONN/UMASS as football only or add a few more FCS schools.

So apparently, and I'm learning this too, the definition of "full member" as it pertains to NCAA bylaws does NOT mean "all-sports member."

Instead, a full member is a member institution of a conference that is a fully vested voting member of that conference. Technically, a football-only affiliate not under contract (ie. the way New Mexico State and Idaho were to the Sun Belt) could be counted as a full member as longvas that affiliate is a fully vested voting member. To me, it would seem that to be fully vested as a football-only member, you would not be allowed to be fully vested or a voting member in another conference where your other sports may reside although I am trying to get that clarified, but it is something to consider moving forward in this discussion.

From my understanding, full conference membership and FBS conference are two different things. To be a full member of a conference that member must participate in a specified number of sports within that conference; 8 full (voting) members being the minimum for D1. And, to be an FBS conference, it also requires 8 schools to participate in FBS football. A conference can operate with 7 members but it would require an NCAA waive and need to rectified/raised the number to 8 FBS members within a two years period (I think). Which means right now, with the addition of New Mexico State, Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston State to CUSA, the conference would have 7 full members but only 5 FBS members currently. The addition of UMass and UConn as FBS football only members brings the conference to 7 full members and 7 FBS members initially. At the start of the second year as a conference, both Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State would now be considered FBS participating members bringing the FBS membership to 9 FBS schools but still only having 7 full voting members. So, CUSA still needs to add one more full voting member to the conference to meet the D1 conference criteria. They don't necessarily need to participate in FBS football as long as UMass or UConn continue to participate in FBS football in CUSA (but a football playing school would be desired). Adding one more FCS school to CUSA bring the conference up to 8 full members but still only 5 FBS members. Adding UMass and UConn for football only brings CUSA to 8 full members but only 7 FBS members for the first year. At this point, CUSA can then apply for a waiver to participate as an FBS conference. Within two years the conference must have a minimum of 8 FBS participating schools. In the second year as a conference, the three FCS schools will then be viewed as FBS participating members bringing CUSA up to 8 full voting members and 10 FBS members; meeting all requirements.

SO, CUSA still needs to add one more school as a full member. AND it needs to add UMass and UConn to participate in FBS football in order to get to 7 members in order to apply for a waiver. OR, the new CUSA needs to assemble as a conference before all the current CUSA members vacate the conference; so the number of FBS participating schools never drops below 7 schools. i.e. NMSU, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Jacksonville State (and/or UMass and UConn) join CUSA one year before WKU and MT leave for the MAC or before Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion leave for the Sun Belt (2023-24 season), or before North Texas, Rice, UTSA, UNC Charlotte, Alabama Birmingham, and Florida Atlantic join the AAC (2023-24 season); bridging the minimum number (8 or 7 with a waiver) of FBS participating schools in CUSA. So, the conference seamlessly remains a FBS conference after the mass exodus. The 2022-23 season being the target season for Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to join CUSA as transitioning FBS schools.

A possible loop hole could be Sam Houston State (and any other FCS WAC school) could transition from FCS to FBS by becoming an FBS independent next season; as a member of the WAC. Right now, no FCS school can move up to the FBS without being invited to an FBS conference. In theory, the WAC is still a dormant FBS conference; which could mean any current WAC football members could start up an FBS football program now as an active members of the WAC. This way, SHSU could be a FBS school by before entering CUSA.

HMMMM....I wish this were true but I have my doubts. Being that the WAC is currently an FCS conference, I do not see how any team could use the WAC by going Indy and becoming FBS. As I understand you HAVE to have an invite from an FBS conference to move up. That being said, how did Liberty and UMASS move up to FBS when neither were invited to an FBS conference for Football? You may be correct on this, and I certainly hope you are, but I just do not see how that world work rule wise. If that is the case than Tarleton and probably one or 2 more WAC schools in Texas will take that route if not invited to C-USA. I would like to get some input form some ACU, SFA and Lamar fans on if they think their school is committed to going FBS or would rather stay FCS.

Frankly I honestly could see the appeal of this for both LT and UTEP to move to the WAC. Also with McNeese State talking about wanting to move the FBS it gives you a core set of 3 FBS schools and several other teams that want to move up but will need a few more years in order to do so. Also when they finally do make the move to FBS they could always invite other top FCS schools to join and do some conference shuffling with those that want to stay. Probably a long shot but I'd love to see this:

WAC NORTH:

Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Missouri State

States: (MO, MT, ND, SD, IA)

WAC SOUTH

NMSU, UTEP, LT, Tarleton State, McNeese State, SHSU

States: (NM, TX, LA)

(11-04-2021 02:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 06:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 05:18 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 04:27 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They have to add at least 1 more FCS school to get to the minimum 8 full members. I would assume they would likely go after someone in the eastern US to balance out the conference and give a travel partner to FIU/Liberty. After that they could go after UCONN/UMASS as football only or add a few more FCS schools.

So apparently, and I'm learning this too, the definition of "full member" as it pertains to NCAA bylaws does NOT mean "all-sports member."

Instead, a full member is a member institution of a conference that is a fully vested voting member of that conference. Technically, a football-only affiliate not under contract (ie. the way New Mexico State and Idaho were to the Sun Belt) could be counted as a full member as longvas that affiliate is a fully vested voting member. To me, it would seem that to be fully vested as a football-only member, you would not be allowed to be fully vested or a voting member in another conference where your other sports may reside although I am trying to get that clarified, but it is something to consider moving forward in this discussion.

From my understanding, full conference membership and FBS conference are two different things. To be a full member of a conference that member must participate in a specified number of sports within that conference; 8 full (voting) members being the minimum for D1. And, to be an FBS conference, it also requires 8 schools to participate in FBS football. A conference can operate with 7 members but it would require an NCAA waive and need to rectified/raised the number to 8 FBS members within a two years period (I think). Which means right now, with the addition of New Mexico State, Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston State to CUSA, the conference would have 7 full members but only 5 FBS members currently. The addition of UMass and UConn as FBS football only members brings the conference to 7 full members and 7 FBS members initially. At the start of the second year as a conference, both Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State would now be considered FBS participating members bringing the FBS membership to 9 FBS schools but still only having 7 full voting members. So, CUSA still needs to add one more full voting member to the conference to meet the D1 conference criteria. They don't necessarily need to participate in FBS football as long as UMass or UConn continue to participate in FBS football in CUSA (but a football playing school would be desired). Adding one more FCS school to CUSA bring the conference up to 8 full members but still only 5 FBS members. Adding UMass and UConn for football only brings CUSA to 8 full members but only 7 FBS members for the first year. At this point, CUSA can then apply for a waiver to participate as an FBS conference. Within two years the conference must have a minimum of 8 FBS participating schools. In the second year as a conference, the three FCS schools will then be viewed as FBS participating members bringing CUSA up to 8 full voting members and 10 FBS members; meeting all requirements.

SO, CUSA still needs to add one more school as a full member. AND it needs to add UMass and UConn to participate in FBS football in order to get to 7 members in order to apply for a waiver. OR, the new CUSA needs to assemble as a conference before all the current CUSA members vacate the conference; so the number of FBS participating schools never drops below 7 schools. i.e. NMSU, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Jacksonville State (and/or UMass and UConn) join CUSA one year before WKU and MT leave for the MAC or before Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion leave for the Sun Belt (2023-24 season), or before North Texas, Rice, UTSA, UNC Charlotte, Alabama Birmingham, and Florida Atlantic join the AAC (2023-24 season); bridging the minimum number (8 or 7 with a waiver) of FBS participating schools in CUSA. So, the conference seamlessly remains a FBS conference after the mass exodus. The 2022-23 season being the target season for Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to join CUSA as transitioning FBS schools.

A possible loop hole could be Sam Houston State (and any other FCS WAC school) could transition from FCS to FBS by becoming an FBS independent next season; as a member of the WAC. Right now, no FCS school can move up to the FBS without being invited to an FBS conference. In theory, the WAC is still a dormant FBS conference; which could mean any current WAC football members could start up an FBS football program now as an active members of the WAC. This way, SHSU could be a FBS school by before entering CUSA.

HMMMM....I wish this were true but I have my doubts. Being that the WAC is currently an FCS conference, I do not see how any team could use the WAC by going Indy and becoming FBS. As I understand you HAVE to have an invite from an FBS conference to move up. That being said, how did Liberty and UMASS move up to FBS when neither were invited to an FBS conference for Football? You may be correct on this, and I certainly hope you are, but I just do not see how that world work rule wise. If that is the case than Tarleton and probably one or 2 more WAC schools in Texas will take that route if not invited to C-USA. I would like to get some input form some ACU, SFA and Lamar fans on if they think their school is committed to going FBS or would rather stay FCS.

UMass was legit invited football only by the MAC and then chose to go independent when the MAC gave them an ultimatum to go all in or leave and UMass didn't want their basketball in the MAC.

Liberty got in because they threatened to sue over religious discrimination and the powers that be are toothless. Conferences were definitely discriminating against Liberty by excluding them but it wasn't because of religion.... IMO the only reason Liberty was able to be recognized as legit FBS by others is because they came out of the gate with some great schedules by doing something most schools cannot afford to do: unloading boatloads of cash upon opponents. IIRC they paid ODU like 1.5 million for their first year and are paying us something similar for a game in 2024. I hope we cancel it though. The money isn't worth being associated with that entity.

(11-03-2021 06:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Since the invitation was made official and public, there's a 99.999999999% chance that it's already accepted. Otherwise, we would never hear about it. I personally believe CUSA will waive the entrance fees.

Conferences don't wave entrance and exit fees, they just spread them out over a number of years with some type of clause attached to that agreement.

It's insane that CUSA would still demand entrance fees. I read that the Sunbelt had waived them for the new entrants.

(11-04-2021 08:20 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Conferences don't wave entrance and exit fees, they just spread them out over a number of years with some type of clause attached to that agreement.

IIRC, the WAC paid UMKC’s Summit exit fees to join several years ago.

(11-04-2021 02:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 06:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 05:18 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 04:27 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They have to add at least 1 more FCS school to get to the minimum 8 full members. I would assume they would likely go after someone in the eastern US to balance out the conference and give a travel partner to FIU/Liberty. After that they could go after UCONN/UMASS as football only or add a few more FCS schools.

So apparently, and I'm learning this too, the definition of "full member" as it pertains to NCAA bylaws does NOT mean "all-sports member."

Instead, a full member is a member institution of a conference that is a fully vested voting member of that conference. Technically, a football-only affiliate not under contract (ie. the way New Mexico State and Idaho were to the Sun Belt) could be counted as a full member as longvas that affiliate is a fully vested voting member. To me, it would seem that to be fully vested as a football-only member, you would not be allowed to be fully vested or a voting member in another conference where your other sports may reside although I am trying to get that clarified, but it is something to consider moving forward in this discussion.

From my understanding, full conference membership and FBS conference are two different things. To be a full member of a conference that member must participate in a specified number of sports within that conference; 8 full (voting) members being the minimum for D1. And, to be an FBS conference, it also requires 8 schools to participate in FBS football. A conference can operate with 7 members but it would require an NCAA waive and need to rectified/raised the number to 8 FBS members within a two years period (I think). Which means right now, with the addition of New Mexico State, Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston State to CUSA, the conference would have 7 full members but only 5 FBS members currently. The addition of UMass and UConn as FBS football only members brings the conference to 7 full members and 7 FBS members initially. At the start of the second year as a conference, both Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State would now be considered FBS participating members bringing the FBS membership to 9 FBS schools but still only having 7 full voting members. So, CUSA still needs to add one more full voting member to the conference to meet the D1 conference criteria. They don't necessarily need to participate in FBS football as long as UMass or UConn continue to participate in FBS football in CUSA (but a football playing school would be desired). Adding one more FCS school to CUSA bring the conference up to 8 full members but still only 5 FBS members. Adding UMass and UConn for football only brings CUSA to 8 full members but only 7 FBS members for the first year. At this point, CUSA can then apply for a waiver to participate as an FBS conference. Within two years the conference must have a minimum of 8 FBS participating schools. In the second year as a conference, the three FCS schools will then be viewed as FBS participating members bringing CUSA up to 8 full voting members and 10 FBS members; meeting all requirements.

SO, CUSA still needs to add one more school as a full member. AND it needs to add UMass and UConn to participate in FBS football in order to get to 7 members in order to apply for a waiver. OR, the new CUSA needs to assemble as a conference before all the current CUSA members vacate the conference; so the number of FBS participating schools never drops below 7 schools. i.e. NMSU, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Jacksonville State (and/or UMass and UConn) join CUSA one year before WKU and MT leave for the MAC or before Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion leave for the Sun Belt (2023-24 season), or before North Texas, Rice, UTSA, UNC Charlotte, Alabama Birmingham, and Florida Atlantic join the AAC (2023-24 season); bridging the minimum number (8 or 7 with a waiver) of FBS participating schools in CUSA. So, the conference seamlessly remains a FBS conference after the mass exodus. The 2022-23 season being the target season for Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to join CUSA as transitioning FBS schools.

A possible loop hole could be Sam Houston State (and any other FCS WAC school) could transition from FCS to FBS by becoming an FBS independent next season; as a member of the WAC. Right now, no FCS school can move up to the FBS without being invited to an FBS conference. In theory, the WAC is still a dormant FBS conference; which could mean any current WAC football members could start up an FBS football program now as an active members of the WAC. This way, SHSU could be a FBS school by before entering CUSA.

HMMMM....I wish this were true but I have my doubts. Being that the WAC is currently an FCS conference, I do not see how any team could use the WAC by going Indy and becoming FBS. As I understand you HAVE to have an invite from an FBS conference to move up. That being said, how did Liberty and UMASS move up to FBS when neither were invited to an FBS conference for Football? You may be correct on this, and I certainly hope you are, but I just do not see how that world work rule wise. If that is the case than Tarleton and probably one or 2 more WAC schools in Texas will take that route if not invited to C-USA. I would like to get some input form some ACU, SFA and Lamar fans on if they think their school is committed to going FBS or would rather stay FCS.

I am not sure how much ACU is ready or wanting to jump to FBS. Our stadium is designed to expand the visitor's side if need be, but are the donors ready to step in for that and the other expenses? We are still trying to be competitive on the FCS level. With strict academic and social standards, many recruits already find it hard to commit to us. Would FBS make any difference? I am not so sure

(11-04-2021 09:39 AM)Outsider Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 06:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 05:18 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 04:27 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They have to add at least 1 more FCS school to get to the minimum 8 full members. I would assume they would likely go after someone in the eastern US to balance out the conference and give a travel partner to FIU/Liberty. After that they could go after UCONN/UMASS as football only or add a few more FCS schools.

So apparently, and I'm learning this too, the definition of "full member" as it pertains to NCAA bylaws does NOT mean "all-sports member."

Instead, a full member is a member institution of a conference that is a fully vested voting member of that conference. Technically, a football-only affiliate not under contract (ie. the way New Mexico State and Idaho were to the Sun Belt) could be counted as a full member as longvas that affiliate is a fully vested voting member. To me, it would seem that to be fully vested as a football-only member, you would not be allowed to be fully vested or a voting member in another conference where your other sports may reside although I am trying to get that clarified, but it is something to consider moving forward in this discussion.

From my understanding, full conference membership and FBS conference are two different things. To be a full member of a conference that member must participate in a specified number of sports within that conference; 8 full (voting) members being the minimum for D1. And, to be an FBS conference, it also requires 8 schools to participate in FBS football. A conference can operate with 7 members but it would require an NCAA waive and need to rectified/raised the number to 8 FBS members within a two years period (I think). Which means right now, with the addition of New Mexico State, Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston State to CUSA, the conference would have 7 full members but only 5 FBS members currently. The addition of UMass and UConn as FBS football only members brings the conference to 7 full members and 7 FBS members initially. At the start of the second year as a conference, both Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State would now be considered FBS participating members bringing the FBS membership to 9 FBS schools but still only having 7 full voting members. So, CUSA still needs to add one more full voting member to the conference to meet the D1 conference criteria. They don't necessarily need to participate in FBS football as long as UMass or UConn continue to participate in FBS football in CUSA (but a football playing school would be desired). Adding one more FCS school to CUSA bring the conference up to 8 full members but still only 5 FBS members. Adding UMass and UConn for football only brings CUSA to 8 full members but only 7 FBS members for the first year. At this point, CUSA can then apply for a waiver to participate as an FBS conference. Within two years the conference must have a minimum of 8 FBS participating schools. In the second year as a conference, the three FCS schools will then be viewed as FBS participating members bringing CUSA up to 8 full voting members and 10 FBS members; meeting all requirements.

SO, CUSA still needs to add one more school as a full member. AND it needs to add UMass and UConn to participate in FBS football in order to get to 7 members in order to apply for a waiver. OR, the new CUSA needs to assemble as a conference before all the current CUSA members vacate the conference; so the number of FBS participating schools never drops below 7 schools. i.e. NMSU, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Jacksonville State (and/or UMass and UConn) join CUSA one year before WKU and MT leave for the MAC or before Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion leave for the Sun Belt (2023-24 season), or before North Texas, Rice, UTSA, UNC Charlotte, Alabama Birmingham, and Florida Atlantic join the AAC (2023-24 season); bridging the minimum number (8 or 7 with a waiver) of FBS participating schools in CUSA. So, the conference seamlessly remains a FBS conference after the mass exodus. The 2022-23 season being the target season for Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to join CUSA as transitioning FBS schools.

A possible loop hole could be Sam Houston State (and any other FCS WAC school) could transition from FCS to FBS by becoming an FBS independent next season; as a member of the WAC. Right now, no FCS school can move up to the FBS without being invited to an FBS conference. In theory, the WAC is still a dormant FBS conference; which could mean any current WAC football members could start up an FBS football program now as an active members of the WAC. This way, SHSU could be a FBS school by before entering CUSA.

HMMMM....I wish this were true but I have my doubts. Being that the WAC is currently an FCS conference, I do not see how any team could use the WAC by going Indy and becoming FBS. As I understand you HAVE to have an invite from an FBS conference to move up. That being said, how did Liberty and UMASS move up to FBS when neither were invited to an FBS conference for Football? You may be correct on this, and I certainly hope you are, but I just do not see how that world work rule wise. If that is the case than Tarleton and probably one or 2 more WAC schools in Texas will take that route if not invited to C-USA. I would like to get some input form some ACU, SFA and Lamar fans on if they think their school is committed to going FBS or would rather stay FCS.

I am not sure how much ACU is ready or wanting to jump to FBS. Our stadium is designed to expand the visitor's side if need be, but are the donors ready to step in for that and the other expenses? We are still trying to be competitive on the FCS level. With strict academic and social standards, many recruits already find it hard to commit to us. Would FBS make any difference? I am not so sure

You wouldn't be in the WAC if you weren't. AND you'd be playing Houston Baptist next week instead of getting whooped by Tarleton again in front of 15,000+ fans. Gotta spend money to make money. FBS CFP is how you do that, and 2026 is the last bus leaving town.

(11-04-2021 03:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:39 AM)Outsider Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 06:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 05:18 AM)All4One Wrote:  So apparently, and I'm learning this too, the definition of "full member" as it pertains to NCAA bylaws does NOT mean "all-sports member."

Instead, a full member is a member institution of a conference that is a fully vested voting member of that conference. Technically, a football-only affiliate not under contract (ie. the way New Mexico State and Idaho were to the Sun Belt) could be counted as a full member as longvas that affiliate is a fully vested voting member. To me, it would seem that to be fully vested as a football-only member, you would not be allowed to be fully vested or a voting member in another conference where your other sports may reside although I am trying to get that clarified, but it is something to consider moving forward in this discussion.

From my understanding, full conference membership and FBS conference are two different things. To be a full member of a conference that member must participate in a specified number of sports within that conference; 8 full (voting) members being the minimum for D1. And, to be an FBS conference, it also requires 8 schools to participate in FBS football. A conference can operate with 7 members but it would require an NCAA waive and need to rectified/raised the number to 8 FBS members within a two years period (I think). Which means right now, with the addition of New Mexico State, Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston State to CUSA, the conference would have 7 full members but only 5 FBS members currently. The addition of UMass and UConn as FBS football only members brings the conference to 7 full members and 7 FBS members initially. At the start of the second year as a conference, both Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State would now be considered FBS participating members bringing the FBS membership to 9 FBS schools but still only having 7 full voting members. So, CUSA still needs to add one more full voting member to the conference to meet the D1 conference criteria. They don't necessarily need to participate in FBS football as long as UMass or UConn continue to participate in FBS football in CUSA (but a football playing school would be desired). Adding one more FCS school to CUSA bring the conference up to 8 full members but still only 5 FBS members. Adding UMass and UConn for football only brings CUSA to 8 full members but only 7 FBS members for the first year. At this point, CUSA can then apply for a waiver to participate as an FBS conference. Within two years the conference must have a minimum of 8 FBS participating schools. In the second year as a conference, the three FCS schools will then be viewed as FBS participating members bringing CUSA up to 8 full voting members and 10 FBS members; meeting all requirements.

SO, CUSA still needs to add one more school as a full member. AND it needs to add UMass and UConn to participate in FBS football in order to get to 7 members in order to apply for a waiver. OR, the new CUSA needs to assemble as a conference before all the current CUSA members vacate the conference; so the number of FBS participating schools never drops below 7 schools. i.e. NMSU, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Jacksonville State (and/or UMass and UConn) join CUSA one year before WKU and MT leave for the MAC or before Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion leave for the Sun Belt (2023-24 season), or before North Texas, Rice, UTSA, UNC Charlotte, Alabama Birmingham, and Florida Atlantic join the AAC (2023-24 season); bridging the minimum number (8 or 7 with a waiver) of FBS participating schools in CUSA. So, the conference seamlessly remains a FBS conference after the mass exodus. The 2022-23 season being the target season for Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to join CUSA as transitioning FBS schools.

A possible loop hole could be Sam Houston State (and any other FCS WAC school) could transition from FCS to FBS by becoming an FBS independent next season; as a member of the WAC. Right now, no FCS school can move up to the FBS without being invited to an FBS conference. In theory, the WAC is still a dormant FBS conference; which could mean any current WAC football members could start up an FBS football program now as an active members of the WAC. This way, SHSU could be a FBS school by before entering CUSA.

HMMMM....I wish this were true but I have my doubts. Being that the WAC is currently an FCS conference, I do not see how any team could use the WAC by going Indy and becoming FBS. As I understand you HAVE to have an invite from an FBS conference to move up. That being said, how did Liberty and UMASS move up to FBS when neither were invited to an FBS conference for Football? You may be correct on this, and I certainly hope you are, but I just do not see how that world work rule wise. If that is the case than Tarleton and probably one or 2 more WAC schools in Texas will take that route if not invited to C-USA. I would like to get some input form some ACU, SFA and Lamar fans on if they think their school is committed to going FBS or would rather stay FCS.

I am not sure how much ACU is ready or wanting to jump to FBS. Our stadium is designed to expand the visitor's side if need be, but are the donors ready to step in for that and the other expenses? We are still trying to be competitive on the FCS level. With strict academic and social standards, many recruits already find it hard to commit to us. Would FBS make any difference? I am not so sure

You wouldn't be in the WAC if you weren't. AND you'd be playing Houston Baptist next week instead of getting whooped by Tarleton again in front of 15,000+ fans. Gotta spend money to make money. FBS CFP is how you do that, and 2026 is the last bus leaving town.

UIW is ready and wanting to be FBS too? They’re going to be in the WAC.

Yes. They wouldn't be joining the WAC if they weren't. And before you start your hissy tantrum about UIW's facilities, google "San Antonio Stadiums" and "San Antonio Arenas". UIW has plenty of options to "upgrade" their facilities without ever laying a brick.

It's a little ironic that C-USA reached out to Sam, who yes has the best football of the WAC FCS schools right now, but in my opinion might be the least ready, facility wise to make the jump right now. No, I don't know what the potential funding for facility upgrades are at Southern Utah or Dixie State, but I do know that Sam doesn't have the student backing based on their recent vote and historic attendance with one of the best football teams in FCS over the last decade. I will grant you that they might get better attendance playing UTEP and La Tech at home versus Northwestern State La, HBU or a couple of other SLC schools, but doubt those opponents will bring more attendance than and actual home game versus SFA would and no where close to the 20K plus they get playing at Reliant Stadium in Houston.

(11-04-2021 05:00 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  It's a little ironic that C-USA reached out to Sam, who yes has the best football of the WAC FCS schools right now, but in my opinion might be the least ready, facility wise to make the jump right now. No, I don't know what the potential funding for facility upgrades are at Southern Utah or Dixie State, but I do know that Sam doesn't have the student backing based on their recent vote and historic attendance with one of the best football teams in FCS over the last decade. I will grant you that they might get better attendance playing UTEP and La Tech at home versus Northwestern State La, HBU or a couple of other SLC schools, but doubt those opponents will bring more attendance than and actual home game versus SFA would and no where close to the 20K plus they get playing at Reliant Stadium in Houston.

They might, but they barely have better attendance than Houston Baptist some weeks this season. If the defending national champion with 20K+ students can barely out draw an 0-8 Houston Baptist with 3-4K students, I don't see the interest. If the excuse is their fans have never heard of any school outside of a 5 county area of texas, i call bs. Nobody's fans are too stupid to use Google to look up who they're playing. And nobodies fans stay home from every game that isn't against a school within a 50 mile radius. Its just a 'don't give a damn' place where students don't care. And fbs won't help that.

(11-04-2021 05:43 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 05:00 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  It's a little ironic that C-USA reached out to Sam, who yes has the best football of the WAC FCS schools right now, but in my opinion might be the least ready, facility wise to make the jump right now. No, I don't know what the potential funding for facility upgrades are at Southern Utah or Dixie State, but I do know that Sam doesn't have the student backing based on their recent vote and historic attendance with one of the best football teams in FCS over the last decade. I will grant you that they might get better attendance playing UTEP and La Tech at home versus Northwestern State La, HBU or a couple of other SLC schools, but doubt those opponents will bring more attendance than and actual home game versus SFA would and no where close to the 20K plus they get playing at Reliant Stadium in Houston.

They might, but they barely have better attendance than Houston Baptist some weeks this season. If the defending national champion with 20K+ students can barely out draw an 0-8 Houston Baptist with 3-4K students, I don't see the interest. If the excuse is their fans have never heard of any school outside of a 5 county area of texas, i call bs. Nobody's fans are too stupid to use Google to look up who they're playing. And nobodies fans stay home from every game that isn't against a school within a 50 mile radius. Its just a 'don't give a damn' place where students don't care. And fbs won't help that.

You think voting down the Athletic fee would be enough. If that’s not a clear signal confirming your intuition then I don’t know what is. Newsflash SHSU fans know very little about UTEP or La Tech so there will be no more interest in them than any other run of the mill university.

Now schedule up a home game against A&M or UT and you will see fan support