(10-26-2021 01:07 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:31 AM)ksniner Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I honestly don’t think we’ll ever go out that far. SDSU is nice and all, but are they worth having to take 2-3 more far west teams?

The smart play is to wait till we lose a couple and then steal CSU and AF. Then take another attempt at Army.

The rest of the MWC can sit over there and try to rebuild with North Dakota and Utep.

I am not sure of the CSU/AF play if let's say Mem/USF or SMU are gone. Maybe assuming Boise is gone, but SDSU/USU/Nev etc are better than the group left in AAC.
But as we have seen with past good teams in the non-espn CUSA getting no love, maybe the mouse makes the difference.


I think the ultimate wildcard in all this shuffle is Rice. If they even try just a little bit an SMU/Rice pair to the Pac could happen and probably before a TTech/oSu pair would.

Without Boise, the MWC isnt any better than the Sunbelt or lower. So lets say after the AAC loses one and the MWC loses Boise (cause nobody else is getting that call) then it comes down to what the conferences can offer.

the MWC cannot offer Texas, cause the AAC owns everything of any value. They cant offer eastern time slots and there are very few large markets. Their TV deal wont be better than the AAC and they know the bulk of the conferences value is CSU and AF... with SDSU being a third.

So do they stick with SDSU and a bunch of schools that dont add as much value, while limiting their access to Texas, being on late timeslots and not being featured in large markets or do they use the end of the TV deal as a nice time to change conferences and get everything they stated that they wanted.

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

Sorry that ship sailed in a similar way to Boise's. They are self inflicted but Boise burned the bridge behind them. AFA and CSU aren't coming. We wouldn't have gone for six if we felt we had a chance. If we really wanted them (even having to wait for Boise to crash and burn) we take two, Rice and UAB and then practice e patience, we certainly dont add FAU and Charlotte.

Aresco isn't actively talking to anyone and won't be, he is cruising into retirement and getting this conference to pay him millions of dollars to write emails to ESPN. To get someone out of the MW requires work and ruthlessness neither of which Aresco is interested in. But he will tell you we don't need them and despite half the league now not having any major football success ever or basketball success of any kind that we are still p6 (because that's why he gets paid 2m dollars we're the same as the p5).

Not having any major football success ever - you could say that about every member of the SunBelt, every remaining member of C-USA, and the entirety of the MWC outside of Boise. In fact, half the members of most of the P5 conferences haven't had and "major" football success.

Sorry no you can't. Nearly every team in a p5 conference has a NY6 bowl in their history and 75% of them have multiple appearences, it's one of the clearest division lines between the p5 and g4. The AAC was pretty much on that level. ECU (I know, I know, your peach bowl) and USF (who was ranked #2 once) didn't have a NY6. I believe only ECU has never had a sweet 16 either. Everyone else historically was comparable to p5 teams with these sort of things. Rice is the only team we added who comes with a NY6. UAB and Rice may be the only ones with sweet 16s (charollete may have one).

Which is just part of the reason why it's unlikely we pull MW teams into a comparable conference even if we have a finacial advantage. Adding strictly UAB and Rice would have left room (we would have been at 10) for four MW teams and kept us a historically, currently, and finacially better league than the MW. It will now be a decade and require most of the new adds to find their way into the NY6/CFP to even start the argument the AAC is clearly different. So why leave for an unstable league with similar competition, more travel, few established connections for slightly better money?

Being truthful Cincy, Houston, and UCF just did it, but it has been clear since the airport meeting in the 90s the MW teams value stability and rivalries over the big splash and flash of what's currently hot.

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:31 AM)ksniner Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I honestly don’t think we’ll ever go out that far. SDSU is nice and all, but are they worth having to take 2-3 more far west teams?

The smart play is to wait till we lose a couple and then steal CSU and AF. Then take another attempt at Army.

The rest of the MWC can sit over there and try to rebuild with North Dakota and Utep.

I am not sure of the CSU/AF play if let's say Mem/USF or SMU are gone. Maybe assuming Boise is gone, but SDSU/USU/Nev etc are better than the group left in AAC.
But as we have seen with past good teams in the non-espn CUSA getting no love, maybe the mouse makes the difference.


I think the ultimate wildcard in all this shuffle is Rice. If they even try just a little bit an SMU/Rice pair to the Pac could happen and probably before a TTech/oSu pair would.

Without Boise, the MWC isnt any better than the Sunbelt or lower. So lets say after the AAC loses one and the MWC loses Boise (cause nobody else is getting that call) then it comes down to what the conferences can offer.

the MWC cannot offer Texas, cause the AAC owns everything of any value. They cant offer eastern time slots and there are very few large markets. Their TV deal wont be better than the AAC and they know the bulk of the conferences value is CSU and AF... with SDSU being a third.

So do they stick with SDSU and a bunch of schools that dont add as much value, while limiting their access to Texas, being on late timeslots and not being featured in large markets or do they use the end of the TV deal as a nice time to change conferences and get everything they stated that they wanted.

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

Boise has a nice history in football, but it is history. If the Big12 decides to add a western school be assured that SDSU will be first on the list. We have both a solid FB and BB program, have excellent facilities, and have the best market available in the West and that isn't even close. Also, we have a history with BYU going back to 1980. Again, BYU is on an island when they join the B12. Should I also mention the rather large Mormon population in the area and have a rather significant Mormon temple in La Jolla?

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:06 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:59 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I’m going to remind our visiting posters that you are guests here. Behave as such. You are welcomed to have differing opinions and to support your arguments—-but straight up trolling and attacking members personally won’t be tolerated.

Does it worth the other way as well?

Yes on your board. Stay in your lane.

Things must be boring in the all MWC board when you are the highest rated team and still must come to this board.

Must be that there are still TWO AAC teams higher ranked.

I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

(10-26-2021 07:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:31 AM)ksniner Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I honestly don’t think we’ll ever go out that far. SDSU is nice and all, but are they worth having to take 2-3 more far west teams?

The smart play is to wait till we lose a couple and then steal CSU and AF. Then take another attempt at Army.

The rest of the MWC can sit over there and try to rebuild with North Dakota and Utep.

I am not sure of the CSU/AF play if let's say Mem/USF or SMU are gone. Maybe assuming Boise is gone, but SDSU/USU/Nev etc are better than the group left in AAC.
But as we have seen with past good teams in the non-espn CUSA getting no love, maybe the mouse makes the difference.


I think the ultimate wildcard in all this shuffle is Rice. If they even try just a little bit an SMU/Rice pair to the Pac could happen and probably before a TTech/oSu pair would.

Without Boise, the MWC isnt any better than the Sunbelt or lower. So lets say after the AAC loses one and the MWC loses Boise (cause nobody else is getting that call) then it comes down to what the conferences can offer.

the MWC cannot offer Texas, cause the AAC owns everything of any value. They cant offer eastern time slots and there are very few large markets. Their TV deal wont be better than the AAC and they know the bulk of the conferences value is CSU and AF... with SDSU being a third.

So do they stick with SDSU and a bunch of schools that dont add as much value, while limiting their access to Texas, being on late timeslots and not being featured in large markets or do they use the end of the TV deal as a nice time to change conferences and get everything they stated that they wanted.

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

Boise has a nice history in football, but it is history. If the Big12 decides to add a western school be assured that SDSU will be first on the list. We have both a solid FB and BB program, have excellent facilities, and have the best market available in the West and that isn't even close. Also, we have a history with BYU going back to 1980. Again, BYU is on an island when they join the B12. Should I also mention the rather large Mormon population in the area and have a rather significant Mormon temple in La Jolla?

SDSU has a better shot at the PAC then it does at the Big Xii you have never been and likely never will be mentioned for either league as a serious candidate. Of all.the people looking at a possible jump your schools stance made the least sense. At least AFA and CSU have come up before and rumor of AFA being a football only option were at least viable if exaggerated in the last big shuffle, Boise was considered but dropped. SDSU didn't even get casually brought up.

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:06 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:59 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Does it worth the other way as well?

Yes on your board. Stay in your lane.

Things must be boring in the all MWC board when you are the highest rated team and still must come to this board.

Must be that there are still TWO AAC teams higher ranked.

I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

From what I understand, CSU/AFA is far from dead. It’s merely on hiatus.

(10-26-2021 09:49 PM)Rocky Mountain Shock Wrote:  From what I understand, CSU/AFA is far from dead. It’s merely on hiatus.

Yep

(10-26-2021 09:49 PM)Rocky Mountain Shock Wrote:  From what I understand, CSU/AFA is far from dead. It’s merely on hiatus.

I think so too... Everyone is waiting on the Big12 next move but a move that may not come for those wishing an invite.

I’m still confused why the AAC is going after CSU to be honest... Football wise App State is a much better option.

(10-26-2021 10:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:49 PM)Rocky Mountain Shock Wrote:  From what I understand, CSU/AFA is far from dead. It’s merely on hiatus.

I think so too... Everyone is waiting on the Big12 next move but a move that may not come for those wishing an invite.

I’m still confused why the AAC is going after CSU to be honest... Football wise App State is a much better option.

They are probably needed to draw AF into the fold.

(10-26-2021 10:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m still confused why the AAC is going after CSU to be honest... Football wise App State is a much better option.

You’re confused why the AAC would be interested in a national brand, in a large market, playing in possibly the best G5 stadium, and fielding one of the best basketball teams in the country over a school in BFE that got ranked a couple times in the last five years?

Whoa.....this thread is still going on? It's over bro. Let her go. Just let her go.

(10-27-2021 06:20 AM)fanhoodtheocho Wrote:  Whoa.....this thread is still going on? It's over bro. Let her go. Just let her go.

Take your own advice

(10-27-2021 12:48 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m still confused why the AAC is going after CSU to be honest... Football wise App State is a much better option.

You’re confused why the AAC would be interested in a national brand, in a large market, playing in possibly the best G5 stadium, and fielding one of the best basketball teams in the country over a school in BFE that got ranked a couple times in the last five years?

Exactly.

(10-26-2021 08:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:31 AM)ksniner Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I honestly don’t think we’ll ever go out that far. SDSU is nice and all, but are they worth having to take 2-3 more far west teams?

The smart play is to wait till we lose a couple and then steal CSU and AF. Then take another attempt at Army.

The rest of the MWC can sit over there and try to rebuild with North Dakota and Utep.

I am not sure of the CSU/AF play if let's say Mem/USF or SMU are gone. Maybe assuming Boise is gone, but SDSU/USU/Nev etc are better than the group left in AAC.
But as we have seen with past good teams in the non-espn CUSA getting no love, maybe the mouse makes the difference.


I think the ultimate wildcard in all this shuffle is Rice. If they even try just a little bit an SMU/Rice pair to the Pac could happen and probably before a TTech/oSu pair would.

Without Boise, the MWC isnt any better than the Sunbelt or lower. So lets say after the AAC loses one and the MWC loses Boise (cause nobody else is getting that call) then it comes down to what the conferences can offer.

the MWC cannot offer Texas, cause the AAC owns everything of any value. They cant offer eastern time slots and there are very few large markets. Their TV deal wont be better than the AAC and they know the bulk of the conferences value is CSU and AF... with SDSU being a third.

So do they stick with SDSU and a bunch of schools that dont add as much value, while limiting their access to Texas, being on late timeslots and not being featured in large markets or do they use the end of the TV deal as a nice time to change conferences and get everything they stated that they wanted.

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

Boise has a nice history in football, but it is history. If the Big12 decides to add a western school be assured that SDSU will be first on the list. We have both a solid FB and BB program, have excellent facilities, and have the best market available in the West and that isn't even close. Also, we have a history with BYU going back to 1980. Again, BYU is on an island when they join the B12. Should I also mention the rather large Mormon population in the area and have a rather significant Mormon temple in La Jolla?

SDSU has a better shot at the PAC then it does at the Big Xii you have never been and likely never will be mentioned for either league as a serious candidate. Of all.the people looking at a possible jump your schools stance made the least sense. At least AFA and CSU have come up before and rumor of AFA being a football only option were at least viable if exaggerated in the last big shuffle, Boise was considered but dropped. SDSU didn't even get casually brought up.

B12 added BYU. BYU is on an island right now. I keep seeing that the B12 may choose to add Memphis. Decent program but their TV market is just a bit better than Fresno State's. Ours is some 70% larger. So, what will the BIG12 do to take travel pressure off of BYU? Again, SDSU and BYU have a history of conference alliance since 1980 going back to the original WAC conference. We still play each other annually and we do have a large Mormon population in this town. Flight time to SLC is 1 hour and 15 minutes.

Both AFA and CSU only entertained offers from the AAC if BSU and SDSU came. Both BSU and SDSU were never interested in joining the AAC without UC, UCF or UH.

If the BIG12 decides to stay focused in the East/Central time zones and take Memphis and SMU then the MWC further solidifies itself as the 6th best conference and the AAC sinks even lower.

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:06 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Yes on your board. Stay in your lane.

Things must be boring in the all MWC board when you are the highest rated team and still must come to this board.

Must be that there are still TWO AAC teams higher ranked.

I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

Let’s talk when that 2025 contract comes in. USF will be making 7 million let’s see how the Aztecs do. Oh and we would had been making that for a few years. So unless SDSU does better than 7, you are behind.

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

We're really, really please that we keep our 7m per team, despite losing our three strongest FB programs. I'd like to see MWC pull off something like that... Happy to have that locked in long term, while our 6 new programs 'build up'. Thanks for your tremendous interest in our conference.

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

10 years not 15 years..and the contract length is a conferences strength not a weakness

espn long-term contract structure and sole ownership is likely why ESPN felt comfortable not reducing the aac tv deal by much...

also no one in the MWC is expecting their tv deal to surpass the aac in their next round.. no one
the mwc commish was trashing the aac and in his rant trashing the aac, said the aac will make more money...

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:35 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I like to stay informed as to what is going on in conference talk, especially when it comes to realignment. It's been an interesting trek, watching this board to be very honest. You went from raiding the B12 to reestablishing C-USA.

Cincy has their foot already out the door. They are more linked to the B12 than to the AAC right now. I expect you'd have been a lot happier adding SDSU, BSU, AFA and CSU over what you ended up with, which is why you reached out to SDSU and BSU for all sports recently. I expect any other MWC team would have been more attractive than what you brought in. Aresco can do his Baghdad Bob imitation until the chickens come home but no one is buying it.

It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

(10-27-2021 09:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:41 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  It is what it is. In my book BOTH conferences lost out by not joining together. I find it funny that you think you guys came out better, in the long run the survival of both conferences is together, that has just being delayed.

You keep saying Aresco was raiding the B12 , you have been shown repeatedly that he never said that and most on this board knew that was a huge long shot that only had a chance at happening if more of the L8 left.
I tell you what I rather have Aresco than the doofus the MWC has. By the way it looks like we are all keeping that 7 million payout which you and others kept repeating was going to drop below MWC.
So enjoy staying in the MWC for now, things will change if BSU gets the invite they think it’s coming.

Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

You really think the mwc fans who come over here will do math? Or the SunBelt fans for that matter?

How long have you been here?

Maybe you're more optimistic than I, but if you actually bring in basic arithmetic, they're done and gone (which maybe isn't a bad thing)