(10-27-2021 10:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:57 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Yep, you keep the $7M you get until, what 2035? Your new adds start out at $2M and, supposedly grows though I don't know the exact terms of that. You just brought in new schools who have had a lower budget that your conference and make sure they don't have the money to compete with you any time soon and you find that a good thing?

The MWC TV contract comes up in 2025. We haven't backfilled with any lessor schools like the AAC just did. Schools you have assured cannot compete economically with the rest of your conference. So, one wonders just how good that 15 year contract you have is really worth.

You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

You really think the mwc fans who come over here will do math? Or the SunBelt fans for that matter?

How long have you been here?

Maybe you're more optimistic than I, but if you actually bring in basic arithmetic, they're done and gone (which maybe isn't a bad thing)

No I know. This dude just keeps coming over here and ignores any post that shows he is wrong and then acts like he doesn’t and just repeats his same dribble.

(10-27-2021 09:21 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:49 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:31 AM)ksniner Wrote:  I am not sure of the CSU/AF play if let's say Mem/USF or SMU are gone. Maybe assuming Boise is gone, but SDSU/USU/Nev etc are better than the group left in AAC.
But as we have seen with past good teams in the non-espn CUSA getting no love, maybe the mouse makes the difference.


I think the ultimate wildcard in all this shuffle is Rice. If they even try just a little bit an SMU/Rice pair to the Pac could happen and probably before a TTech/oSu pair would.

Without Boise, the MWC isnt any better than the Sunbelt or lower. So lets say after the AAC loses one and the MWC loses Boise (cause nobody else is getting that call) then it comes down to what the conferences can offer.

the MWC cannot offer Texas, cause the AAC owns everything of any value. They cant offer eastern time slots and there are very few large markets. Their TV deal wont be better than the AAC and they know the bulk of the conferences value is CSU and AF... with SDSU being a third.

So do they stick with SDSU and a bunch of schools that dont add as much value, while limiting their access to Texas, being on late timeslots and not being featured in large markets or do they use the end of the TV deal as a nice time to change conferences and get everything they stated that they wanted.

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

Boise has a nice history in football, but it is history. If the Big12 decides to add a western school be assured that SDSU will be first on the list. We have both a solid FB and BB program, have excellent facilities, and have the best market available in the West and that isn't even close. Also, we have a history with BYU going back to 1980. Again, BYU is on an island when they join the B12. Should I also mention the rather large Mormon population in the area and have a rather significant Mormon temple in La Jolla?

SDSU has a better shot at the PAC then it does at the Big Xii you have never been and likely never will be mentioned for either league as a serious candidate. Of all.the people looking at a possible jump your schools stance made the least sense. At least AFA and CSU have come up before and rumor of AFA being a football only option were at least viable if exaggerated in the last big shuffle, Boise was considered but dropped. SDSU didn't even get casually brought up.

B12 added BYU. BYU is on an island right now. I keep seeing that the B12 may choose to add Memphis. Decent program but their TV market is just a bit better than Fresno State's. Ours is some 70% larger. So, what will the BIG12 do to take travel pressure off of BYU? Again, SDSU and BYU have a history of conference alliance since 1980 going back to the original WAC conference. We still play each other annually and we do have a large Mormon population in this town. Flight time to SLC is 1 hour and 15 minutes.

Both AFA and CSU only entertained offers from the AAC if BSU and SDSU came. Both BSU and SDSU were never interested in joining the AAC without UC, UCF or UH.

If the BIG12 decides to stay focused in the East/Central time zones and take Memphis and SMU then the MWC further solidifies itself as the 6th best conference and the AAC sinks even lower.

BYU comes with a built in national fanbase, never mind you aren't a travel partner for a school in the middle of Utah. AFA and CSU were reaching out with out Boise or SDSU, the reason they said no is CSU considers themselves a B12 candidate and AFA would prefer to move with a frontrange team and neither Wyoming or New Mexico work for the AAC.

IF SMU and Memphis leave then the MW will actually have a real claim to being 6th. Of course if any of the new adds pan out you are talking about a toss up, while being stuck in a league paying Boise extra for glory years decades ago and hoping your basketball can sustain it's current success.

(10-27-2021 10:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 10:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

You really think the mwc fans who come over here will do math? Or the SunBelt fans for that matter?

How long have you been here?

Maybe you're more optimistic than I, but if you actually bring in basic arithmetic, they're done and gone (which maybe isn't a bad thing)

No I know. This dude just keeps coming over here and ignores any post that shows he is wrong and then acts like he doesn’t and just repeats his same dribble.

Naw this thread needs to be locked because he just comes over to keep it on our board at the top. Needs to get his thrill somewhere else.

(10-27-2021 10:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 10:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:13 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  You worry about your upcoming contract, you were one of the many MWC posters talking about the AAC contract dropping below the MWC. Well guess what didn’t happen, the eight remaining are still making 7 mill let’s see what the MWC gets in next contract for now you all are a few millions behind that.

And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

Agree......who is he trying to convience........csu and af contacted AAC.......mw did try to get Texas schools but failed and now mw is blocked into certain area. Please just go away as nobody

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

You really think the mwc fans who come over here will do math? Or the SunBelt fans for that matter?

How long have you been here?

Maybe you're more optimistic than I, but if you actually bring in basic arithmetic, they're done and gone (which maybe isn't a bad thing)

No I know. This dude just keeps coming over here and ignores any post that shows he is wrong and then acts like he doesn’t and just repeats his same dribble.

Should be band from our board.........anti-AAC.....where are monitors?????????

(10-27-2021 09:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

10 years not 15 years..and the contract length is a conferences strength not a weakness

espn long-term contract structure and sole ownership is likely why ESPN felt comfortable not reducing the aac tv deal by much...

also no one in the MWC is expecting their tv deal to surpass the aac in their next round.. no one
the mwc commish was trashing the aac and in his rant trashing the aac, said the aac will make more money...

Especially if the Big12 expands with Boise as one of the selections. Boise represents about half the MW value.

(10-28-2021 09:08 AM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 10:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 10:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:52 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 09:27 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  And yet our contract is to be renewed in 2025. You are tied to a contract for some 15 years. Nice to have a long term contract to rely on but it will suck for you if TV deals go up. Typically, that happens.

Agree......who is he trying to convience........csu and af contacted AAC.......mw did try to get Texas schools but failed and now mw is blocked into certain area. Please just go away as nobody

So let’s do the math. AAC’s contract goes from 2020-2031 so 12 years and by 2025 when MWC gets its new contract, half the AAC contract has been completed.
So that means that USF would have gotten 7 million for all those years while SDSU is making what? 4 million.
So in order to catch up SDSU would have to make 10 million a year from 2025-2031 just to catch up.
So yeah come back here in 2025 and tell us about that 10 million a year contract SDSU is signing.

You really think the mwc fans who come over here will do math? Or the SunBelt fans for that matter?

How long have you been here?

Maybe you're more optimistic than I, but if you actually bring in basic arithmetic, they're done and gone (which maybe isn't a bad thing)

No I know. This dude just keeps coming over here and ignores any post that shows he is wrong and then acts like he doesn’t and just repeats his same dribble.

Should be 'band' from our board.........anti-AAC.....where are monitors?????????

banned

Come on 1st string!

If the PAC doesn't call either up to back fill, would they reconsider joining the AAC? 16 seems like the number everyone is moving towards.

(06-30-2022 07:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the PAC doesn't call either up to back fill, would they reconsider joining the AAC? 16 seems like the number everyone is moving towards.

I think that smart folks always keep their options open and they certainly have not handled themselves in a classless manner on their way out the door so they would be welcomed... but they will need a damn good reason to come back.

(06-30-2022 07:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the PAC doesn't call either up to back fill, would they reconsider joining the AAC? 16 seems like the number everyone is moving towards.

If the Pac poaches from the MWC .. i think it's a high likelihood they come here .. assuming the AAC doesn't also sustain losses.

It's too bad that the big donors killed CSU/AFA to the AAC. The schoolsl actually wanted to join, which is why McMurphy called it a done deal.
Imagine that conference, standing by and watching the MWC remains getting destroyed by the PAC. Nothing against the new cUSA6, whom I generally like, but if that had happend we'd be in much stronger shape.

(07-01-2022 09:19 AM)Bull Wrote:  It's too bad that the big donors killed CSU/AFA to the AAC. The schoolsl actually wanted to join, which is why McMurphy called it a done deal.
Imagine that conference, standing by and watching the MWC remains getting destroyed by the PAC. Nothing against the new cUSA6, whom I generally like, but if that had happend we'd be in much stronger shape.

I was kinda hoping for UAB, CSU, and AFA to join together tbh

They wanted to play TX schools. So we got TX schools.
They’ll be here soon.

(07-01-2022 09:19 AM)Bull Wrote:  It's too bad that the big donors killed CSU/AFA to the AAC. The schoolsl actually wanted to join, which is why McMurphy called it a done deal.
Imagine that conference, standing by and watching the MWC remains getting destroyed by the PAC. Nothing against the new cUSA6, whom I generally like, but if that had happend we'd be in much stronger shape.

My sense was that the admins of those schools wanted to join, but the 'rank and file' alumni and graduates of AFA didn't, which was why the AFA thing blew up, which then knocked CUS out. Could be wrong, though.

I think AFA might join after CSU goes to either PAC or B12.
But will really depend on which league is depleted worse in this round of realignment. MWC got off untouched last time, that’s likely not the case this time.

There are so many moving pieces that it is truly impossible to guess.

Sad part is, if the departing three had stayed and CSU and Air Force had come, our tv deal would be solid.

As it sits now, I doubt the Big 12 looks anything like what the departing three thought it would be.

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  .

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

That would depend, of course, on how much ESPN would be willing to pay them to join the AAC. If they'd be willing to pay them the amount that the AAC remainers are being paid, then one or both of them might reconsider the idea of joining the American.

There's some possibility that the B12 will start out by adding one AAC - Memphis. If that were to happen, it might be possible that ESPN would give the go-ahead to add either AFA or CUSA and pay them the amount budgeted for Memphis.

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(07-02-2022 11:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  .

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

That would depend, of course, on how much ESPN would be willing to pay them to join the AAC. If they'd be willing to pay them the amount that the AAC remainers are being paid, then one or both of them might reconsider the idea of joining the American.

There's some possibility that the B12 will start out by adding one AAC - Memphis. If that were to happen, it might be possible that ESPN would give the go-ahead to add either AFA or CUSA and pay them the amount budgeted for Memphis.

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Order of operations for the next move or two is likely:

1) Big 12 adds 4: Zona, ASU, Colorado, Utah
2) PAC 12 backfills with MWC: SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno? (no longer a P5)
3) AAC takes any MWC teams that need a parachute, if it makes economic sense
4) MWC adds orphaned CUSA team like UTEP or brings up some FCS like NDSU.

Feel pretty good about the first two happening. Wild card: A team like SMU flips to PAC during step 2.

(07-05-2022 08:34 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 11:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  .

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

That would depend, of course, on how much ESPN would be willing to pay them to join the AAC. If they'd be willing to pay them the amount that the AAC remainers are being paid, then one or both of them might reconsider the idea of joining the American.

There's some possibility that the B12 will start out by adding one AAC - Memphis. If that were to happen, it might be possible that ESPN would give the go-ahead to add either AFA or CUSA and pay them the amount budgeted for Memphis.

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Order of operations for the next move or two is likely:

1) Big 12 adds 4: Zona, ASU, Colorado, Utah
2) PAC 12 backfills with MWC: SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno? (no longer a P5)
3) AAC takes any MWC teams that need a parachute, if it makes economic sense
4) MWC adds orphaned CUSA team like UTEP or brings up some FCS like NDSU.

Feel pretty good about the first two happening. Wild card: A team like SMU flips to PAC during step 2.

But C-USA just added NMSU to pair with UTEP. Unless you think both would jump to the MWC, which would make geographical sense, but that doesn't matter these days.

(07-05-2022 08:40 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 08:34 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 11:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  .

I think its very likely that CSU and AF come to the AAC even if we lose 1 more. We just can offer them a lot more.

That would depend, of course, on how much ESPN would be willing to pay them to join the AAC. If they'd be willing to pay them the amount that the AAC remainers are being paid, then one or both of them might reconsider the idea of joining the American.

There's some possibility that the B12 will start out by adding one AAC - Memphis. If that were to happen, it might be possible that ESPN would give the go-ahead to add either AFA or CUSA and pay them the amount budgeted for Memphis.

.

Order of operations for the next move or two is likely:

1) Big 12 adds 4: Zona, ASU, Colorado, Utah
2) PAC 12 backfills with MWC: SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno? (no longer a P5)
3) AAC takes any MWC teams that need a parachute, if it makes economic sense
4) MWC adds orphaned CUSA team like UTEP or brings up some FCS like NDSU.

Feel pretty good about the first two happening. Wild card: A team like SMU flips to PAC during step 2.

But C-USA just added NMSU to pair with UTEP. Unless you think both would jump to the MWC, which would make geographical sense, but that doesn't matter these days.

Who would those two rather play with? Depends on who is left in the MWC, but thinking it might still be better than current CUSA lineup. You'd have NM/Wyoming/Utah St/Nevada...maybe? Really hard to forecast what the MWC looks like at that step.