Basically we added 1 "Tulsa" level program and 5 that are programs that we simply hope every year that they somehow wont be worse than a 200 RPI--but probably will be. I said from the start of this rebuild that fixing AAC basketball would be the hard part.....and that was when we were only expected to add 2 to 4. Its not impossible to get it going in the right direction---but dont expect it to be quick or easy.

(10-19-2021 10:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:26 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  Last year did not count for eligibility at all. So sure, we have 9 seniors, but 6 of them have the ability to play 2 more years. I don't think any of them are NBA ready talent wise, so would you play an extra year in the NCAA with a decent shot a tourney bid or play overseas in some central European semi pro league? Something else you might notice, we have 14 scholarship players on our roster. The grad students from last year that stayed on the same team don't count towards scholarship limits. Quan and Mike don't count, but Justin Brown does because he transferred from USF.

i was off the same thought process as you last season that super seniors would choose to stay, but changed my mind seeing how we have practical knowledge now

most in the aac chose not to use it. out of like 25 seniors in the aac, only 6 came back, 2 that had missed a lot of the previous year from injury... of the 4 that remain, 2 are from ucf, on the premise of having a magical season...

ive come to realize that there are 2 likely 2 paths: accept they arent going to the nba and want to start making 100-700k oversees..or they haven't given up on the NBA but realize if 4 years in 1 school doesn't make a difference a 5th won't and they transfer...
most of the super seniors in the same schools are actually congregated in a small group of schools, and those are schools in which they are selling some great magical year is about to happen

im quite familiar with 3 UAB transfer in jordan walker, Jamal Johnson and justin brown (who all played aac ball)...i cant imagine walker or jamal wanting to come back for a 6th year

OK, just wanted to make sure that you were guessing. Two guys already made the decision to come back and play for AK so I'm not worried about it in the least.

(10-20-2021 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically we added 1 "Tulsa" level program and 5 that are programs that we simply hope every year that they somehow wont be worse than a 200 RPI--but probably will be. I said from the start of this rebuild that fixing AAC basketball would be the hard part.....and that was when we were only expected to add 2 to 4. Its not impossible to get it going in the right direction---but dont expect it to be quick or easy.

Well, Houston basketball was down for over 20 years. I remember it well from UAB's 18-6 all-time record against ya'll. Things can change quickly once the right pieces are in place. Can't speak for the others but we are on our way back.

As long as AK is there UAB will be my favorite team in the American(assuming uc is gone when they join).

Uab needs to get permission from ole miss to revise Randy Kennedy.

Rice

Coach: Scott Pera
Tenure: 4 years (50-73)
Prior Job: Rice/Penn assistant
Likely Job Outlook: is passable, so it depends on how competitive rice wants to be

Current Capability to recruit: surprising well for rice, despite not winning have picked up a couple of decent players over the years (they tend to transfer out tho)
Recruiting Potential: Stanford of the south with some investments

Scheduling Capability: Terrible, cant get anyone respectable on a home and home

Historic Tradition: was good in the 40s-50s (2 elite 8s)
Recent History: Not Good

2year outlook: projected 8-10 in c-usa (terrible) but a really young roster that if they surprise could go on a multiyear run (assuming the stars dont transfer like usual)
AAC hope: Rice decides between now and join that they want to be elite in basketballand preps to invest, its unlikely they fire pera before joining the AAC, but after seeing him get crushed in the aac they move on..and get a big time retread

This is actually a pretty good assessment. If Pera can somehow get his teams to play defense, he actually might be the long-term answer at Rice. He has proven himself to be a really good evaluator of high school talent (starting with James Harden, but leading up through Trey Murphy and some of the guys on their current roster).

I've been saying on the Rice board for years that Rice should be focused on basketball and not football, but I guess that's not how things work these days. Rice has shown in the past few years that they can get it done in women's basketball (top 25 teams, NIT champs last year). I think they will really surprise a lot of folks in men's basketball in 2021-22 (but now their women's program is in rebuilding mode after losing their head coach and two top players to Washington and their next best two players to SMU).

(10-19-2021 08:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  There's a lot of gloom and doom about aac basketball right now, including by some of the sport's biggest talking heads (like Rothstein)..
so i was bored i decided to look at all the new teams and see if the basketball is really doomed, and look at their basketball potential


UAB

Coach: Andy Kennedy
Tenure: 1 year (22-7)
Prior Job: Ole miss HC for 12 years (Consistently made the NIT)
Likely Job Outlook: will be at UAB for the next 4-5 years Minimum

Current Capability to recruit: Really good at getting 2nd tier transfers/juco (which is good for c-usa) but not in on elite high school or top 100 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Bham is not a bball recruiting hotbed, but they are decently recruiting a 1bid c-usa, they could be feeding on the top-level transfers in the aac

Scheduling Capability: horrendous the past 5 years, but really respectable for the upcoming seasons

Historic Tradition: 3 sweet16s, 1 elite 8 (respectable)
Recent History: not very good teams with good records from trash schedules

2year outlook: projected top 2 in c-usa this season; almost the entire roster graduates after this year, but has no commits, 100% depending on transfer portal for 2022
AAC hope: Kennedy already had them trending up before this aac news, it looks like they are going to live and die by the portal, even in the aac. i think they'll be a top 100 team in the aac, Kennedy has shown he can do that in a good league..making the tournament with any regularity is a whole different discussion especially built on a model of relying on the transfer portal

UNT

Coach: Grant McCasland
Tenure: 4 years (78 - 51)
Prior Job: Arkansas State HC
Likely Job Outlook: You could make a case he is the best coach in UNT history in just 4 years, so it's unlikely he is fired, but he could become a hot commodity for other jobs with continued success

Current Capability to recruit: not very good, winning with mostly unknown players
Recruiting Potential: DFW is one of the hottest basketball hotbeds their ability to recruit, could skyrocket with some aac branding, and an ability to retain coach

Scheduling Capability: very respectable

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: upset Purdue in the NCAA tournament a few months ago, won c-usa the year before that (covid canceled postseason), CBI champion 2 years before that (all with current coach)

2year outlook: projected 4/5th in c-usa but its mostly in large part to what they accomplished last year (and coach). will be relying on a bunch of relatively unknown players. projecting this season would be hard, projecting past that would be harder
AAC hope: that Grant McCasland is the real deal, and has deep loyalty to UNT, he has shown early career success and could potentially build UNT into something special, while also elevating unt as a recruiting brand

Charlotte

Coach: Ron Sanchez
Tenure: 3 years (33–50)
Prior Job: 9 year Virginia assitant
Likely Job Outlook: IMO will likely be fired over the next 2 years

Current Capability to recruit: Unknown high school kids and Deep bench p5 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Located in "Hoop State" tons of room to grown but has competition

Scheduling Capability: wont get into the tourney but a couple of respectable games (wake, Arkansas, Davidson)

Historic Tradition: final 4 in 1977, almost decade long run of being tournament level good in the 90s
Recent History: mostly terrible in recent history

2year outlook: projected 7-9 in c-usa (which is bad) but star player returns with tons of transfers. make or break year for coach
AAC hope: i think the coach will ultimately fail, if they aren't a top 100 team this year they should cut their losses with him, and start building on the future with a new coach who can capture expansion momentum to get recruits


Rice

Coach: Scott Pera
Tenure: 4 years (50-73)
Prior Job: Rice/Penn assistant
Likely Job Outlook: is passable, so it depends on how competitive rice wants to be

Current Capability to recruit: surprising well for rice, despite not winning have picked up a couple of decent players over the years (they tend to transfer out tho)
Recruiting Potential: Stanford of the south with some investments

Scheduling Capability: Terrible, cant get anyone respectable on a home and home

Historic Tradition: was good in the 40s-50s (2 elite 8s)
Recent History: Not Good

2year outlook: projected 8-10 in c-usa (terrible) but a really young roster that if they surprise could go on a multiyear run (assuming the stars dont transfer like usual)
AAC hope: Rice decides between now and join that they want to be elite in basketballand preps to invest, its unlikely they fire pera before joining the AAC, but after seeing him get crushed in the aac they move on..and get a big time retread

FAU

Coach: Dusty May
Tenure: year 3 (47-41)
Prior Job: Florida Assistant
Likely Job Outlook: Fau isn't not good, but he is doing "well" for how hard it is to win at FAU. job is pretty safe

Current Capability to recruit: Non Existent
Recruiting Potential: South Florida is a recruiting hotbed if FAU ever puts money into a program and facilities overhaul

Scheduling Capability: not as bad as you'd think for fau, but still self tourney eliminated. home and home with miami, New Mexico and VCU

Historic Tradition: almsot nonexistent
Recent History: terrible

2year outlook: young coach fighting for his life
AAC hope: the issue here isnt "the coach" like the teams mentioned before this but the facilities and the program. fau needs a multimillion-dollar overhaul, no 4/5 star recruit or transfer is going to faus facility and saying this is where i want to go..Hopefully this was promised in order for them to get an invite

UTSA


Coach: Steve Henson
Tenure: 5years (79-79)
Prior Job: OKlahoma Assitant
Likely Job Outlook: Job is pretty safe for the next 2-3 years, but could be at risk in the aac, his teams would be crushed in the aac

Current Capability to recruit: Non existent
Recruiting Potential: San Antonio isn't Houston or DFW but its still very good, in a market by itself,

Scheduling Capability: terrible

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: not very good

2year outlook: utsa is moving on from its multi-year star players and most are projecting "horrendous"
AAC hope: it starts with a facility overhaul, utsa fan says one is in the works, but that is needed, then likely a new coach

Dude you are hilarious.

F'n hilarious even......

So funny.. amiright
So so funny

As Agent 49 mentioned we saw significant program growth from Sanchez year 1 to year 2. We were playing best ball in nearly a decade rolling into the CUSA tourny and then COIVD got it all shutdown. Last season the team had covid issues, didn't get many practices in before season started and was quite frankly terrible. Some of the worst performances by a Niner team I have seen in 30 years.

The question for us is can we pick up where year 2 ended? Or was year 3 an indication of where we are headed. No shortage of talent on the roster this year. IMO Sanchez has to loosen up the reigns on offense a bit. His offensive philosophy is just painful. If he can evolve his offense to be a bit more creative and pair it with the unrelenting D we may be onto something if not then I expect us to move on from Ron. As Agent 49 mentioned though we have extended him twice and the second one may hurt our abilities to cut ties with him given the money outlay making the conference shift.

Finally we are absolutely committed to a winner in basketball and have invested in basketball. We made a few bad hires when last AD fired winningest coach of all time . Sanchez hire, unlike the other two, made total sense on paper. Remains to be seen if he can get it done though. If he fails it was just a bad hire vs. unwillingness to invest in basketball. For many of us, even with football, basketball is where we want to win the most.

(10-19-2021 08:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  There's a lot of gloom and doom about aac basketball right now, including by some of the sport's biggest talking heads (like Rothstein)..
so i was bored i decided to look at all the new teams and see if the basketball is really doomed, and look at their basketball potential


UAB

Coach: Andy Kennedy
Tenure: 1 year (22-7)
Prior Job: Ole miss HC for 12 years (Consistently made the NIT)
Likely Job Outlook: will be at UAB for the next 4-5 years Minimum

Current Capability to recruit: Really good at getting 2nd tier transfers/juco (which is good for c-usa) but not in on elite high school or top 100 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Bham is not a bball recruiting hotbed, but they are decently recruiting a 1bid c-usa, they could be feeding on the top-level transfers in the aac

Scheduling Capability: horrendous the past 5 years, but really respectable for the upcoming seasons

Historic Tradition: 3 sweet16s, 1 elite 8 (respectable)
Recent History: not very good teams with good records from trash schedules

2year outlook: projected top 2 in c-usa this season; almost the entire roster graduates after this year, but has no commits, 100% depending on transfer portal for 2022
AAC hope: Kennedy already had them trending up before this aac news, it looks like they are going to live and die by the portal, even in the aac. i think they'll be a top 100 team in the aac, Kennedy has shown he can do that in a good league..making the tournament with any regularity is a whole different discussion especially built on a model of relying on the transfer portal

UNT

Coach: Grant McCasland
Tenure: 4 years (78 - 51)
Prior Job: Arkansas State HC
Likely Job Outlook: You could make a case he is the best coach in UNT history in just 4 years, so it's unlikely he is fired, but he could become a hot commodity for other jobs with continued success

Current Capability to recruit: not very good, winning with mostly unknown players
Recruiting Potential: DFW is one of the hottest basketball hotbeds their ability to recruit, could skyrocket with some aac branding, and an ability to retain coach

Scheduling Capability: very respectable

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: upset Purdue in the NCAA tournament a few months ago, won c-usa the year before that (covid canceled postseason), CBI champion 2 years before that (all with current coach)

2year outlook: projected 4/5th in c-usa but its mostly in large part to what they accomplished last year (and coach). will be relying on a bunch of relatively unknown players. projecting this season would be hard, projecting past that would be harder
AAC hope: that Grant McCasland is the real deal, and has deep loyalty to UNT, he has shown early career success and could potentially build UNT into something special, while also elevating unt as a recruiting brand

Charlotte

Coach: Ron Sanchez
Tenure: 3 years (33–50)
Prior Job: 9 year Virginia assitant
Likely Job Outlook: IMO will likely be fired over the next 2 years

Current Capability to recruit: Unknown high school kids and Deep bench p5 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Located in "Hoop State" tons of room to grown but has competition

Scheduling Capability: wont get into the tourney but a couple of respectable games (wake, Arkansas, Davidson)

Historic Tradition: final 4 in 1977, almost decade long run of being tournament level good in the 90s
Recent History: mostly terrible in recent history

2year outlook: projected 7-9 in c-usa (which is bad) but star player returns with tons of transfers. make or break year for coach
AAC hope: i think the coach will ultimately fail, if they aren't a top 100 team this year they should cut their losses with him, and start building on the future with a new coach who can capture expansion momentum to get recruits


Rice

Coach: Scott Pera
Tenure: 4 years (50-73)
Prior Job: Rice/Penn assistant
Likely Job Outlook: is passable, so it depends on how competitive rice wants to be

Current Capability to recruit: surprising well for rice, despite not winning have picked up a couple of decent players over the years (they tend to transfer out tho)
Recruiting Potential: Stanford of the south with some investments

Scheduling Capability: Terrible, cant get anyone respectable on a home and home

Historic Tradition: was good in the 40s-50s (2 elite 8s)
Recent History: Not Good

2year outlook: projected 8-10 in c-usa (terrible) but a really young roster that if they surprise could go on a multiyear run (assuming the stars dont transfer like usual)
AAC hope: Rice decides between now and join that they want to be elite in basketballand preps to invest, its unlikely they fire pera before joining the AAC, but after seeing him get crushed in the aac they move on..and get a big time retread

FAU

Coach: Dusty May
Tenure: year 3 (47-41)
Prior Job: Florida Assistant
Likely Job Outlook: Fau isn't not good, but he is doing "well" for how hard it is to win at FAU. job is pretty safe

Current Capability to recruit: Non Existent
Recruiting Potential: South Florida is a recruiting hotbed if FAU ever puts money into a program and facilities overhaul

Scheduling Capability: not as bad as you'd think for fau, but still self tourney eliminated. home and home with miami, New Mexico and VCU

Historic Tradition: almsot nonexistent
Recent History: terrible

2year outlook: young coach fighting for his life
AAC hope: the issue here isnt "the coach" like the teams mentioned before this but the facilities and the program. fau needs a multimillion-dollar overhaul, no 4/5 star recruit or transfer is going to faus facility and saying this is where i want to go..Hopefully this was promised in order for them to get an invite

UTSA


Coach: Steve Henson
Tenure: 5years (79-79)
Prior Job: OKlahoma Assitant
Likely Job Outlook: Job is pretty safe for the next 2-3 years, but could be at risk in the aac, his teams would be crushed in the aac

Current Capability to recruit: Non existent
Recruiting Potential: San Antonio isn't Houston or DFW but its still very good, in a market by itself,

Scheduling Capability: terrible

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: not very good

2year outlook: utsa is moving on from its multi-year star players and most are projecting "horrendous"
AAC hope: it starts with a facility overhaul, utsa fan says one is in the works, but that is needed, then likely a new coach

Cason Wallace, the No. 1 player in Texas and No. 7 in the country has UTSA in his top 4.

https://247sports.com/player/cason-wallace-46099453/

(10-20-2021 08:18 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Cason Wallace, the No. 1 player in Texas and No. 7 in the country has UTSA in his top 4.

https://247sports.com/player/cason-wallace-46099453/

there are 10 predictions for him between 247 and Rivals... all unanimous is saying UK... he is almost certainly going to UK

also isnt Keaton Wallace his brother, who was lika 4 year star at UTSA?

if he becomes dominant, this is going to be one of those i wish we had invested sooner kind of things...

Houston ours was Justise Winslow, for decades every member of the winslow family came to UH and are mega supporters of the program, his dad and sisters were all American who chose UH.. Justise was a top 10 5star, but at that time Houstons program wasnt up to par (bad facilites) despite being finalists he chose duke, and then led them to a national championship.. he would have chosen UH had we invested 4 yeas sooner

(10-20-2021 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 08:18 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Cason Wallace, the No. 1 player in Texas and No. 7 in the country has UTSA in his top 4.

https://247sports.com/player/cason-wallace-46099453/

there are 10 predictions for him between 247 and Rivals... all unanimous is saying UK... he is almost certainly going to UK

also isnt Keaton Wallace his brother, who was lika 4 year star at UTSA?

if he becomes dominant, this is going to be one of those i wish we had invested sooner kind of things...

Houston ours was Justise Winslow, for decades every member of the winslow family came to UH and are mega supporters of the program, his dad and sisters were all American who chose UH.. Justise was a top 10 5star, but at that time Houstons program wasnt up to par (bad facilites) despite being finalists he chose duke, and then led them to a national championship.. he would have chosen UH had we invested 4 yeas sooner

Yes, Keaton Wallace is his brother, which I believe is the only reason he has UTSA in his top four. Maybe with the announcement of UTSA playing in the AAC, he can be swayed to come to UTSA and be a 4 year starter like his brother.

2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

(10-19-2021 08:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  There's a lot of gloom and doom about aac basketball right now, including by some of the sport's biggest talking heads (like Rothstein)..
so i was bored i decided to look at all the new teams and see if the basketball is really doomed, and look at their basketball potential


UAB

Coach: Andy Kennedy
Tenure: 1 year (22-7)
Prior Job: Ole miss HC for 12 years (Consistently made the NIT)
Likely Job Outlook: will be at UAB for the next 4-5 years Minimum

Current Capability to recruit: Really good at getting 2nd tier transfers/juco (which is good for c-usa) but not in on elite high school or top 100 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Bham is not a bball recruiting hotbed, but they are decently recruiting a 1bid c-usa, they could be feeding on the top-level transfers in the aac

Scheduling Capability: horrendous the past 5 years, but really respectable for the upcoming seasons

Historic Tradition: 3 sweet16s, 1 elite 8 (respectable)
Recent History: not very good teams with good records from trash schedules

2year outlook: projected top 2 in c-usa this season; almost the entire roster graduates after this year, but has no commits, 100% depending on transfer portal for 2022
AAC hope: Kennedy already had them trending up before this aac news, it looks like they are going to live and die by the portal, even in the aac. i think they'll be a top 100 team in the aac, Kennedy has shown he can do that in a good league..making the tournament with any regularity is a whole different discussion especially built on a model of relying on the transfer portal

UNT

Coach: Grant McCasland
Tenure: 4 years (78 - 51)
Prior Job: Arkansas State HC
Likely Job Outlook: You could make a case he is the best coach in UNT history in just 4 years, so it's unlikely he is fired, but he could become a hot commodity for other jobs with continued success

Current Capability to recruit: not very good, winning with mostly unknown players
Recruiting Potential: DFW is one of the hottest basketball hotbeds their ability to recruit, could skyrocket with some aac branding, and an ability to retain coach

Scheduling Capability: very respectable

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: upset Purdue in the NCAA tournament a few months ago, won c-usa the year before that (covid canceled postseason), CBI champion 2 years before that (all with current coach)

2year outlook: projected 4/5th in c-usa but its mostly in large part to what they accomplished last year (and coach). will be relying on a bunch of relatively unknown players. projecting this season would be hard, projecting past that would be harder
AAC hope: that Grant McCasland is the real deal, and has deep loyalty to UNT, he has shown early career success and could potentially build UNT into something special, while also elevating unt as a recruiting brand

Charlotte

Coach: Ron Sanchez
Tenure: 3 years (33–50)
Prior Job: 9 year Virginia assitant
Likely Job Outlook: IMO will likely be fired over the next 2 years

Current Capability to recruit: Unknown high school kids and Deep bench p5 transfers
Recruiting Potential: Located in "Hoop State" tons of room to grown but has competition

Scheduling Capability: wont get into the tourney but a couple of respectable games (wake, Arkansas, Davidson)

Historic Tradition: final 4 in 1977, almost decade long run of being tournament level good in the 90s
Recent History: mostly terrible in recent history

2year outlook: projected 7-9 in c-usa (which is bad) but star player returns with tons of transfers. make or break year for coach
AAC hope: i think the coach will ultimately fail, if they aren't a top 100 team this year they should cut their losses with him, and start building on the future with a new coach who can capture expansion momentum to get recruits


Rice

Coach: Scott Pera
Tenure: 4 years (50-73)
Prior Job: Rice/Penn assistant
Likely Job Outlook: is passable, so it depends on how competitive rice wants to be

Current Capability to recruit: surprising well for rice, despite not winning have picked up a couple of decent players over the years (they tend to transfer out tho)
Recruiting Potential: Stanford of the south with some investments

Scheduling Capability: Terrible, cant get anyone respectable on a home and home

Historic Tradition: was good in the 40s-50s (2 elite 8s)
Recent History: Not Good

2year outlook: projected 8-10 in c-usa (terrible) but a really young roster that if they surprise could go on a multiyear run (assuming the stars dont transfer like usual)
AAC hope: Rice decides between now and join that they want to be elite in basketballand preps to invest, its unlikely they fire pera before joining the AAC, but after seeing him get crushed in the aac they move on..and get a big time retread

FAU

Coach: Dusty May
Tenure: year 3 (47-41)
Prior Job: Florida Assistant
Likely Job Outlook: Fau isn't not good, but he is doing "well" for how hard it is to win at FAU. job is pretty safe

Current Capability to recruit: Non Existent
Recruiting Potential: South Florida is a recruiting hotbed if FAU ever puts money into a program and facilities overhaul

Scheduling Capability: not as bad as you'd think for fau, but still self tourney eliminated. home and home with miami, New Mexico and VCU

Historic Tradition: almsot nonexistent
Recent History: terrible

2year outlook: young coach fighting for his life
AAC hope: the issue here isnt "the coach" like the teams mentioned before this but the facilities and the program. fau needs a multimillion-dollar overhaul, no 4/5 star recruit or transfer is going to faus facility and saying this is where i want to go..Hopefully this was promised in order for them to get an invite

UTSA


Coach: Steve Henson
Tenure: 5years (79-79)
Prior Job: OKlahoma Assitant
Likely Job Outlook: Job is pretty safe for the next 2-3 years, but could be at risk in the aac, his teams would be crushed in the aac

Current Capability to recruit: Non existent
Recruiting Potential: San Antonio isn't Houston or DFW but its still very good, in a market by itself,

Scheduling Capability: terrible

Historic Tradition: almost non existent
Recent History: not very good

2year outlook: utsa is moving on from its multi-year star players and most are projecting "horrendous"
AAC hope: it starts with a facility overhaul, utsa fan says one is in the works, but that is needed, then likely a new coach

Nice job !

(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

I believe UAB can get back to 4K or 5K. That’s probably the high mark.

(10-19-2021 09:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Fun fact: Rice has more NCAA tournament losses (5) than appearances (4).

Do explain.

(10-20-2021 01:04 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Fun fact: Rice has more NCAA tournament losses (5) than appearances (4).

Do explain.

older tournaments had consultation games, you could have 2 tourney losses if you advance

(10-20-2021 01:04 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Fun fact: Rice has more NCAA tournament losses (5) than appearances (4).

Do explain.

Ok, you have my attention.

(10-20-2021 01:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 01:04 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Fun fact: Rice has more NCAA tournament losses (5) than appearances (4).

Do explain.

older tournaments had consultation games, you could have 2 tourney losses if you advance

Correct. Back when it was a 16 team tournament and every regional plus the Final Four had a third place game. Rice went 0-2 in 1942. So five losses in four appearances.

(10-20-2021 12:00 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

I believe UAB can get back to 4K or 5K. That’s probably the high mark.

Prior to 2005 CLT was averaging over 7k. Of course that is when we were winning. We will either be back over 5000 again soon, or paying another coach to do nothing I guess.