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Apparently Malik Vann was offered by ND and was ready to accept but the offer was rescinded. He had a beast of a game against ND and it was beautiful.

(10-11-2021 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  How many UC players came out of ND's backyard that ND missed on when their names were mentioned in recruiting. Pierce came out of the Chicago suberbs and ND probably didn't even consider him. Plus all of the players we get out of INDY. The Cincinnati area is a hotbed for recruits to ND, yet Cincinnati's defense is made up of mostly local talent and probably very few of them even recruited by ND.

Pierce offers per 247:
AFA, ARMY,BALL, BGSU,CMU,COLUMBIA,FORDAM,HOLY CROSS,ILSU,MOH,NAVY, NIA,SD,SILU,WILU.

A lot of schools whiffed on him.

(10-11-2021 10:42 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  How many UC players came out of ND's backyard that ND missed on when their names were mentioned in recruiting. Pierce came out of the Chicago suberbs and ND probably didn't even consider him. Plus all of the players we get out of INDY. The Cincinnati area is a hotbed for recruits to ND, yet Cincinnati's defense is made up of mostly local talent and probably very few of them even recruited by ND.

Pierce offers per 247:
AFA, ARMY,BALL, BGSU,CMU,COLUMBIA,FORDAM,HOLY CROSS,ILSU,MOH,NAVY, NIA,SD,SILU,WILU.

A lot of schools whiffed on him.

My understanding is Pierce played on a heavy option run team in high school and just didn't get a ton of pass catching opportunities. Not surprised to see the service academies on the list because of that. He's the kind of find this staff deserves a ton of credit for. Physically gifted, with not enough tape that the big boys are coming after him.

BK's playcalling has changed. He never once ran his favorite WR screen against the Bearcats.

I don't know what this screen is called. The WR catches the ball coming toward the QB while the 3 OL on his side form a staggered line at 3, 5, and 8 yards downfield so that after the WR catches it, he can run at a 45 degree angle downfield behind a wall of blockers. My high school team ran it too, so it's easy for me to recognize.

BK used to run this screen 3-5 times a game at UC and during first 5 years at Notre Dame.

(10-11-2021 10:42 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:55 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  How many UC players came out of ND's backyard that ND missed on when their names were mentioned in recruiting. Pierce came out of the Chicago suberbs and ND probably didn't even consider him. Plus all of the players we get out of INDY. The Cincinnati area is a hotbed for recruits to ND, yet Cincinnati's defense is made up of mostly local talent and probably very few of them even recruited by ND.

Pierce offers per 247:
AFA, ARMY,BALL, BGSU,CMU,COLUMBIA,FORDAM,HOLY CROSS,ILSU,MOH,NAVY, NIA,SD,SILU,WILU.

A lot of schools whiffed on him.

I seem to recall during a previous national broadcast, the announcers saying he was heavily recruited by the likes of Indiana and Missouri before choosing UC. I don't remember if that was UCF 2019 or Memphis 2020.

Brian Kelly isn't the only one who whiffed on our top guys.

Myjai Sanders P5 offers: Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi State, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Washington State
Ahmad Gardner P5 offers: Indiana, Iowa State, Kentucky, Syracuse
Des Ridder FBS offers: Cincinnati

(10-10-2021 07:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:22 PM)dbernie41 Wrote:  You are all insane. I don't understand the hate for BK. Yes, the way he left wasn't the greatest, but to BK, he had his eyes set higher and to him UC was an opportunity. He didn't grow up here or go to school here. We mutually had an opportunity (BK to coach a BE team and UC to employ an up and coming coach). He made the most of his opportunity and took the groundwork laid by Minter and Dantonio and took UC to another level. WE ARE RANKED #3 IN THE COUNTRY WHILE NOT EVEN BEING IN A POWER CONFERENCE. Without BK that would not be possible for UC.

I think the answer is a little more nuanced than this. Yes, we can thank BK for taking UC to new heights. At the same time, I lost respect for him for his post game press conference where he refused to come out and admit UC was the better team that day. The man commented that they underestimated how good UC's corners were? Seriously? On top of all that, he should have known how big this game would have been for not just the football program and the university but the entire city. Having coached here for three years, he had to have known the players and the fans were going to bring it.

Bolded, yep, the ego gets in his way sometimes. Chip Kelly was very gracious in his postgame remarks after UC beat his UCLA team. I don't recall Indiana's coach having much nice to say about Cincy in his postgame comments last month either; that just seemed pretty classless too.

In the case of IU and ND, they both have much to lose in the southwest OH recruiting wars with UC's ascent to a CFP candidate and soon to be Big XII power.

(10-11-2021 10:59 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Brian Kelly isn't the only one who whiffed on our top guys.

Myjai Sanders P5 offers: Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi State, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Washington State
Ahmad Gardner P5 offers: Indiana, Iowa State, Kentucky, Syracuse
Des Ridder FBS offers: Cincinnati

Bolded, I think this is why the Ridder story has gained so much traction in the national sports media--a somewhat unheralded high school QB who is suddenly a Heisman contender. America (still) thrives on Horatio Alger stories.

It's pretty evident that UC is so much better at developing talent than most other schools in the P5 even. I've heard that a reason for the Alabama loss was they didn't have any competent backups when their starters went down during the game against A&M. UC's system of playing 1A's & 1 B's consistently gives our guys a true advantage when it comes to play in the second half where other teams are wearing down.

Alabama has plenty of depth. What they are fighting now isn’t depth but experience. They lost 5 first rounders to the NFL after 4 the year before and are averaging 10 or so draft picks per season nearly all of which are underclassmen. Mix in some injuries in their front 7 and a couple guys ejected for targeting at a hostile sold out crowd and they start to finally look like mortals.

(10-11-2021 12:10 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's pretty evident that UC is so much better at developing talent than most other schools in the P5 even. I've heard that a reason for the Alabama loss was they didn't have any competent backups when their starters went down during the game against A&M. UC's system of playing 1A's & 1 B's consistently gives our guys a true advantage when it comes to play in the second half where other teams are wearing down.

I think this staff is amazing at developing talent, but this is an exceptionally odd year for a lot of programs because of the COVID year. Teams played fewer games last year, and there was an extremely talented draft class that left teams like Clemson, Bama, and Ohio State starting a lot of guys who did not get the garbage time reps they normally would.

UC is benefiting from a team that lost only a handful of starters, and in some cases (RB,TE,) had more talented players sitting behind starters. That's not a knock on UC, but I don't think its realistic to say that Alabama does not develop its players, when most of them just don't have the experience yet.

(10-11-2021 10:44 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  BK's playcalling has changed. He never once ran his favorite WR screen against the Bearcats.

I don't know what this screen is called. The WR catches the ball coming toward the QB while the 3 OL on his side form a staggered line at 3, 5, and 8 yards downfield so that after the WR catches it, he can run at a 45 degree angle downfield behind a wall of blockers. My high school team ran it too, so it's easy for me to recognize.

BK used to run this screen 3-5 times a game at UC and during first 5 years at Notre Dame.

It's called a tunnel screen and was extremely popular at the advent of the spread offense but as become considerably less effective as defenses have adapted over the years.

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Speaking of ex-coaches, I thought this was pretty classy:

(10-11-2021 11:38 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 07:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:22 PM)dbernie41 Wrote:  You are all insane. I don't understand the hate for BK. Yes, the way he left wasn't the greatest, but to BK, he had his eyes set higher and to him UC was an opportunity. He didn't grow up here or go to school here. We mutually had an opportunity (BK to coach a BE team and UC to employ an up and coming coach). He made the most of his opportunity and took the groundwork laid by Minter and Dantonio and took UC to another level. WE ARE RANKED #3 IN THE COUNTRY WHILE NOT EVEN BEING IN A POWER CONFERENCE. Without BK that would not be possible for UC.

I think the answer is a little more nuanced than this. Yes, we can thank BK for taking UC to new heights. At the same time, I lost respect for him for his post game press conference where he refused to come out and admit UC was the better team that day. The man commented that they underestimated how good UC's corners were? Seriously? On top of all that, he should have known how big this game would have been for not just the football program and the university but the entire city. Having coached here for three years, he had to have known the players and the fans were going to bring it.

Bolded, yep, the ego gets in his way sometimes. Chip Kelly was very gracious in his postgame remarks after UC beat his UCLA team. I don't recall Indiana's coach having much nice to say about Cincy in his postgame comments last month either; that just seemed pretty classless too.

In the case of IU and ND, they both have much to lose in the southwest OH recruiting wars with UC's ascent to a CFP candidate and soon to be Big XII power.

He basically implied that if #47 hadn't gotten thrown out of the game they would have won.

Looked up our other former coaches. Tim Murphy, Brian Kelly, Butch Jones, and He Who Shall Not Be Named said nothing (although other than the Senator, none of them are very active on Twitter - and Murphy's is almost entirely BLM-related stuff).

Dantonio has sent out about 50 tweets this year, and 4 of them were about the Bearcats.

[quote='Captain Bearcat' pid='17731675' dateline='1634311170']
Looked up our other former coaches. Tim Murphy, Brian Kelly, Butch Jones, and He Who Shall Not Be Named said nothing (although other than the Senator, none of them are very active on Twitter - and Murphy's is almost entirely BLM-related stuff).

Dantonio has sent out about 50 tweets this year, and 4 of them were about the Bearcats.


At last week's game, I heard some folks in our section, saying "Hello Coach," and turned to see Dantonio walking up the steps (from the field level I suspect). He smiled and seemed to appreciate the greetings.

I think he, Tressel, and Fickell are very close and it's great to have a coach back who took this program another evolutionary step toward where we are today.

(10-09-2021 11:22 PM)ZCat Wrote:  A lot Has been said about his comment that he wanted to give us an opportunity. But let’s be honest, without that opportunity we would not have so much cred right now. One of the other threads was showing Coach and Desmond making the interview rounds. That would not be possible without playing (and then beating) Notre Dame last week. Obviously they did not know how good we would be when they signed the contract but Notre Dame did give us this opportunity.

I still do not like how he left, but this opportunity can spring us to a perennial top 10 program. I appreciate the opportunity!

Wait, can we hold off on the hugs and high fives until his team wins out? He can still screw us like he did before the Sugar Bowl. LOL.

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(10-15-2021 10:28 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  At last week's game, I heard some folks in our section, saying "Hello Coach," and turned to see Dantonio walking up the steps (from the field level I suspect). He smiled and seemed to appreciate the greetings.

I think he, Tressel, and Fickell are very close and it's great to have a coach back who took this program another evolutionary step toward where we are today.

Dantonio may have been the best talent evaluator coach that UC has ever had. His recruiting classes weren't anything at all to get excited about at signing day but most of those guys were the ones who led UC to two BCS bowls.

The 2004, 05 and 06 classes had just six 3-star guys combined. Yet produced guys like Mardy Gilyard, Dominc Goodman, Mike Mickens, Connor Barwin, Kevin Huber, Haruki Nakamura, etc.. And all of those classes were ranked in the 80-110 range.

Thank you Mark Dantonio.

(10-18-2021 01:15 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 10:28 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  At last week's game, I heard some folks in our section, saying "Hello Coach," and turned to see Dantonio walking up the steps (from the field level I suspect). He smiled and seemed to appreciate the greetings.

I think he, Tressel, and Fickell are very close and it's great to have a coach back who took this program another evolutionary step toward where we are today.

Dantonio may have been the best talent evaluator coach that UC has ever had. His recruiting classes weren't anything at all to get excited about at signing day but most of those guys were the ones who led UC to two BCS bowls.

The 2004, 05 and 06 classes had just six 3-star guys combined. Yet produced guys like Mardy Gilyard, Dominc Goodman, Mike Mickens, Connor Barwin, Kevin Huber, Haruki Nakamura, etc.. And all of those classes were ranked in the 80-110 range.

Thank you Mark Dantonio.

No offense to anybody, but I think it's sometimes interesting how things get framed based upon "other factors". For example, I see Dantonio get a lot of credit as a talent evaluator for players that mostly thrived under Brian Kelly. But I hardly ever see Tuberville getting any credit for players that mostly thrived under Fickell.

Dantonio really raised the level of our defense.

... But our offense was archaic.