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Don't give me this shiit that our future conference is not on par with the P12. If anyone thinks otherwise I've got a vacation package to a river in Egypt for you. I'll be keeping track this football season to back it up. In hoops? Pffft!

B12 [10-2]
Baylor [1-0]
BYU [1-0]
7 Cincinnati [1-0]
Houston [0-1]
9 Iowa St [1-0]
Kansas [1-0]
Kansas St [1-0]
Oklahoma St [1-0]
26 TCU [1-0]
Texas Tech [1-0]
28 UCF [1-0]
West Virginia [0-1]

P12 [7-6]
Arizona [0-1] - Loss BYU
23 Arizona St [1-0]
California [0-1]
Colorado [1-0]
12 Oregon [1-0]
Oregon St [0-1]
Stanford [0-1] - Loss Kansas St
16 UCLA [2-0]
14 USC [1-0]
21 Utah [1-0]
Washington [0-1] - Loss FCS Montana
Washington St [0-1]

We don't have a heavyweight program like Clemson but on average we're probably better than the ACC too. Clemson has obviously been a top 2 program for the last 5 years but you got a lot of programs like GT, Wake, Duke, BC that bring the average down. Heck even our Keg of Nails rival have turned themselves into a bottom feeder.

(09-10-2021 12:56 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We don't have a heavyweight program like Clemson but on average we're probably better than the ACC too. Clemson has obviously been a top 2 program for the last 5 years but you got a lot of programs like GT, Wake, Duke, BC that bring the average down. Heck even our Keg of Nails rival have turned themselves into a bottom feeder.

Agree on the ACC sans Clemson in football. I chose the P12 because honestly I thought the AAC wasn't too far off from them.

(09-10-2021 12:56 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We don't have a heavyweight program like Clemson but on average we're probably better than the ACC too. Clemson has obviously been a top 2 program for the last 5 years but you got a lot of programs like GT, Wake, Duke, BC that bring the average down. Heck even our Keg of Nails rival have turned themselves into a bottom feeder.

Agree.
If the ACC and Pac12 were clearly above the Big12, they’d get paid that way. Or it would show up on the field. Neither are true, and that’s before those conferences lose their biggest brands.

Clemson is not going to watch their rivals make $400 million more over 10 years. They’ll be in the SEC soon, and once the football programs are gone, the basketball schools will have no choice. Will UVa stick with UNC and Co if the SEC instead grabs VaTech? It’s coming.

(09-10-2021 02:39 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

As great as the football will be, the basketball will be INCREDIBLE! Just imagine when Kansas comes here.

(09-10-2021 03:15 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:39 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

As great as the football will be, the basketball will be INCREDIBLE! Just imagine when Kansas comes here.

Funny because I've always believed conference affiliation is most important in football and still do but the one thing that I visualize most is getting a true blue blood into 5/3 on a regular basis. Wonder if our new fan Roy from Chapel Hill will use his Wes connection to pull for the visitor

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Average football attendance in 2019:

74,855 - new SEC
65,065 - Big Ten
48,243 - ACC
46,662 - New Big 12
46,080 - Pac-12

Updated OOC records:

B12 [20-4]
Baylor [2-0]
BYU [2-0]
7 Cincinnati [2-0]
Houston [1-1]
9 Iowa St [1-1]
Kansas [1-1]
Kansas St [2-0]
Oklahoma St [2-0]
26 TCU [2-0]
Texas Tech [2-0]
28 UCF [2-0]
West Virginia [1-1]

P12 [11-11]
Arizona [0-2] - Loss BYU
23 Arizona St [2-0]
California [0-2]
Colorado [1-1]
12 Oregon [2-0]
Oregon St [1-1]
Stanford [0-1] - Loss Kansas St
16 UCLA [2-0]
14 USC [1-0]
21 Utah [1-1] - Loss BYU
Washington [0-2] - Loss FCS Montana
Washington St [1-1]

Yep. P12 continues to crap the bed out of conference. BYU has been a P12 killer. Updated OOC records:

B12 [28-5]
Baylor [2-0]
23 BYU [3-0]
8 Cincinnati [3-0]
Houston [2-1]
14 Iowa St [2-1]
Kansas [1-1]
Kansas St [3-0]
Oklahoma St [3-0]
27 TCU [2-0]
Texas Tech [3-0]
26 UCF [2-1]
West Virginia [2-1]

P12 [16-16]
Arizona [0-3] - Loss BYU, N. Arizona
19 Arizona St [2-1] - Loss BYU
California [1-2]
Colorado [1-2]
4 Oregon [3-0]
Oregon St [2-1]
Stanford [1-1] - Loss Kansas St
13 UCLA [2-1] - Loss Fresno St
USC [1-0]
21 Utah [1-2] - Loss BYU, SDSU
Washington [1-2] - Loss FCS Montana
Washington St [1-1]

AP Top 25 rankings between New B12 and P12:

B12
7 Cincinnati [3-0]
13 BYU [4-0]
19 Oklahoma St [4-0]
21 Baylor [4-0]

P12
3 Oregon [4-0]
20 UCLA [3-1]

(09-28-2021 08:15 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  AP Top 25 rankings between New B12 and P12:

B12
7 Cincinnati [3-0]
13 BYU [4-0]
19 Oklahoma St [4-0]
21 Baylor [4-0]

P12
3 Oregon [4-0]
20 UCLA [3-1]

Wut? Two incoming members pulling their weight in the NB12. P12 we hardly knew ye....

B12
5 Cincinnati
10 BYU
12 Okla St

P12
8 Oregon
22 Arizona St

(09-19-2021 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yep. P12 continues to crap the bed out of conference. BYU has been a P12 killer. Updated OOC records:

B12 [28-5]
Baylor [2-0]
23 BYU [3-0]
8 Cincinnati [3-0]
Houston [2-1]
14 Iowa St [2-1]
Kansas [1-1]
Kansas St [3-0]
Oklahoma St [3-0]
27 TCU [2-0]
Texas Tech [3-0]
26 UCF [2-1]
West Virginia [2-1]

P12 [16-16]
Arizona [0-3] - Loss BYU, N. Arizona
19 Arizona St [2-1] - Loss BYU
California [1-2]
Colorado [1-2]
4 Oregon [3-0]
Oregon St [2-1]
Stanford [1-1] - Loss Kansas St
13 UCLA [2-1] - Loss Fresno St
USC [1-0]
21 Utah [1-2] - Loss BYU, SDSU
Washington [1-2] - Loss FCS Montana
Washington St [1-1]

I know this hasn't been updated yet for this week, but just curious -- are you including all losses to the new B12, FCS, and G5 in the Pac-12's records? And doing the same for the new B12 vs. P12, FCS, and G5? If you do update, I want to Tweet this at some of my OSU friends and Columbus media types I pal around with on social media who are questioning whether or not the B12 should retain its power 5/autonomy status. Thanks!

(10-07-2021 01:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I know this hasn't been updated yet for this week, but just curious -- are you including all losses to the new B12, FCS, and G5 in the Pac-12's records? And doing the same for the new B12 vs. P12, FCS, and G5? If you do update, I want to Tweet this at some of my OSU friends and Columbus media types I pal around with on social media who are questioning whether or not the B12 should retain its power 5/autonomy status. Thanks!

Yes, all OOC wins/losses shown no matter if FBS or FCS. I will update later Robert.

Updated OOC records:

NB12 [31-7]
Baylor [2-0]
10 BYU [5-0]
5 Cincinnati [4-0]
Houston [2-1]
Iowa St [2-1]
Kansas [1-2]
Kansas St [3-0]
12 Oklahoma St [3-0]
TCU [2-1]
Texas Tech [3-0]
UCF [2-1]
West Virginia [2-1]

P12 [16-16]
Arizona [0-3]
22 Arizona St [2-1]
California [1-2]
Colorado [1-2]
8 Oregon [3-0]
Oregon St [2-1]
Stanford [1-1]
UCLA [2-1]
USC [1-0]
Utah [1-2]
Washington [1-2]
Washington St [1-1]

(10-07-2021 01:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yep. P12 continues to crap the bed out of conference. BYU has been a P12 killer. Updated OOC records:

B12 [28-5]
Baylor [2-0]
23 BYU [3-0]
8 Cincinnati [3-0]
Houston [2-1]
14 Iowa St [2-1]
Kansas [1-1]
Kansas St [3-0]
Oklahoma St [3-0]
27 TCU [2-0]
Texas Tech [3-0]
26 UCF [2-1]
West Virginia [2-1]

P12 [16-16]
Arizona [0-3] - Loss BYU, N. Arizona
19 Arizona St [2-1] - Loss BYU
California [1-2]
Colorado [1-2]
4 Oregon [3-0]
Oregon St [2-1]
Stanford [1-1] - Loss Kansas St
13 UCLA [2-1] - Loss Fresno St
USC [1-0]
21 Utah [1-2] - Loss BYU, SDSU
Washington [1-2] - Loss FCS Montana
Washington St [1-1]

I know this hasn't been updated yet for this week, but just curious -- are you including all losses to the new B12, FCS, and G5 in the Pac-12's records? And doing the same for the new B12 vs. P12, FCS, and G5? If you do update, I want to Tweet this at some of my OSU friends and Columbus media types I pal around with on social media who are questioning whether or not the B12 should retain its power 5/autonomy status. Thanks!

Bolded, so I'm taking from this that some OSU fans are already looking for ways to marginalize UC's move to the P5? It never ends; the Big XII is and will remain P5. Some people have no fun unless they can rain on someone else's parade.

UC is crashing the NY6/CFP party this season and some of the old guard can't stand it.

Current Colley Rankings:

4 - Oklahoma State
5 - Cincinnati
9 - BYU
26 - Texas Tech
29 - Kansas State
34 - Baylor
42 - Houston
63 - Iowa State
77 - TCU
83 - West Virginia
100 - UCF
121 - Kansas


23 - Oregon
30 - Oregon State
32 - Arizona State
39 - Stanford
44 - UCLA
58 - USC
76 - Utah
96 - Washington
113 - Washington State
124 - Colorado
129 - Arizona
138 - California

(10-07-2021 05:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Current Colley Rankings:

4 - Oklahoma State
5 - Cincinnati
9 - BYU
26 - Texas Tech
29 - Kansas State
34 - Baylor
42 - Houston
63 - Iowa State
77 - TCU
83 - West Virginia
100 - UCF
121 - Kansas


23 - Oregon
30 - Oregon State
32 - Arizona State
39 - Stanford
44 - UCLA
58 - USC
76 - Utah
96 - Washington
113 - Washington State
124 - Colorado
129 - Arizona
138 - California

Who's Colley? Also, do we have the rankings and wins/losses for the ACC as well? I would imagine equal to or worse then the new B12 as well.

^^^^Thanks Captain! Colley Rankings in sequential order [NB12 in bold]:

4 - Oklahoma State
5 - Cincinnati
9 - BYU
23 - Oregon
26 - Texas Tech
29 - Kansas State
30 - Oregon State
32 - Arizona State
34 - Baylor
39 - Stanford
42 - Houston
44 - UCLA
58 - USC
63 - Iowa State
76 - Utah
77 - TCU
83 - West Virginia
96 - Washington
100 - UCF
113 - Washington State
121 - Kansas
124 - Colorado
129 - Arizona
138 - California

NB12 ranked in top 3
NB12 ranked in 5 of top 6
P12 ranked in bottom 3
Kansas is ranked higher than 3 P12 teams

(10-07-2021 06:58 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 05:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Current Colley Rankings:

4 - Oklahoma State
5 - Cincinnati
9 - BYU
26 - Texas Tech
29 - Kansas State
34 - Baylor
42 - Houston
63 - Iowa State
77 - TCU
83 - West Virginia
100 - UCF
121 - Kansas


23 - Oregon
30 - Oregon State
32 - Arizona State
39 - Stanford
44 - UCLA
58 - USC
76 - Utah
96 - Washington
113 - Washington State
124 - Colorado
129 - Arizona
138 - California

Who's Colley? Also, do we have the rankings and wins/losses for the ACC as well? I would imagine equal to or worse then the new B12 as well.

Here is what the Colley site says.

Colley's matrix method for ranking college football teams is explained in detail, with many examples and explicit derivations. The method is based on very simple statistical principles, and uses only wins and losses as input—margin of victory does not matter. The scheme adjusts effectively for strength of schedule, in a way that is free of bias toward conference, tradition, or region. Comparison of rankings produced by this method to those produced by the press polls shows that despite its simplicity, the scheme produces common sense results.

This method focuses more on "deservedness" to play in the national championship game than it does predictiveness, per se, which may be of more interest to some fans and bookmakers, who often consider margin of victory, injuries and other factors in assessing the possible outcome of a particular game.