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2-9, 3-8, 6-4-1, 6-5, 5-6, 2-8-1

These are the first six season records for Frank Beamer. 2 wins in his sixth season included a 1-4 Big East record. No bowls, no national rankings.

He went to his first bowl game in season seven. Even then the Hokies finished fourth place in the Big East at 9-3 (4-3).

Is there any doubt if message boards existed in 1992 that panicking fans would have pressured the admin to fire him? The biggest success in his career up to that point was an NCAA I-AA tournament first round loss with Murray State the year before VT hired him.

What if VT had fired him?

(09-19-2021 12:59 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  2-9, 3-8, 6-4-1, 6-5, 5-6, 2-8-1

These are the first six season records for Frank Beamer. 2 wins in his sixth season included a 1-4 Big East record. No bowls, no national rankings.

He went to his first bowl game in season seven. Even then the Hokies finished fourth place in the Big East at 9-3 (4-3).

Is there any doubt if message boards existed in 1992 that panicking fans would have pressured the admin to fire him? The biggest success in his career up to that point was an NCAA I-AA tournament first round loss with Murray State the year before VT hired him.

What if VT had fired him?

While i agree its too early to be even thinking about letting Rahne go the parallels being drawn are impertitent at best with the beamer situation. First of in this day and age folks are looking for quick success(which is sad but true) or atleast a taste of success and i promise you if ODU fans have to sit through 6 losing seasons it will almost be game over for ODU FB. In a way we are living the 5th losing season in a row(technically 4th) and if we dont right the ship and come to winning ways in a year or two it will be hard to bring alum to the games forget about casual fans and if anyone really thinks we can afford more than 2 losing seasons with Rahne let me remind you we dont have TV revenue to back our finances and it will be a dire situation for us. Bringing in donations and ticket revenue will become just harder and harder if we go down the losing path as is being witnessed right now. I hope for the sake of all of us Rahne gets this team on track soon. With that said thinking about firing a coach after 3 games is just insane even if he made a couple of dumb decisions.

I can’t speak on Beamers early years but from late 90s he wouldn’t let the better QB stand on the lines. Mack right now isn’t the answer for us. His legs aren’t getting it done and decision making and arm are no better right now.

I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

Well thats the thing, how will the guy know if he doesnt put them both under the same situation in the real games esp when one of them is not having a good game or even a decent one? I also dont believe every QB's coach know what the heck they are doing. We have had a few examples in our short tenure. Bentley over Washington, Steven over Larussa. The whole premise that the guy who's job is on the line knows more makes sense if he is competent if not, not so much. I would've atleast put in Wolff to see how he does if he doesnt then well i have my answer anyway.

(09-19-2021 06:57 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  I can’t speak on Beamers early years but from late 90s he wouldn’t let the better QB stand on the lines. Mack right now isn’t the answer for us. His legs aren’t getting it done and decision making and arm are no better right now.

I think people on this board overstate how good Wolfe is. Its not like we have a star QB on the bench.

(09-19-2021 11:09 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

Well thats the thing, how will the guy know if he doesnt put them both under the same situation in the real games esp when one of them is not having a good game or even a decent one? I also dont believe every QB's coach know what the heck they are doing. We have had a few examples in our short tenure. Bentley over Washington, Steven over Larussa. The whole premise that the guy who's job is on the line knows more makes sense if he is competent if not, not so much. I would've atleast put in Wolff to see how he does if he doesnt then well i have my answer anyway.

I don't think Wolff would have done much better against a very tough Liberty defense. But there are some guys that are great practice players but falter in games under the pressure. Mack has not done well against tough competition and really didn't look as good as I expected passing against Hampton. Maybe this is all part of Rahne's master plan. I myself would like to see Wolff play some but that is just my selfish desire.

(09-19-2021 11:11 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 06:57 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  I can’t speak on Beamers early years but from late 90s he wouldn’t let the better QB stand on the lines. Mack right now isn’t the answer for us. His legs aren’t getting it done and decision making and arm are no better right now.

I think people on this board overstate how good Wolfe is. Its not like we have a star QB on the bench.

I dont think anyone has that delusion. All folks were saying is that we should atleast see what the other kid has to offer. Is that so wrong to expect when the one under center is not getting done? You either adjust the play calling to work with Mack or if that is not working may be put in a new kid and see what he can do. If a coach does nothing well its not gonna change the outcome anyway.

(09-19-2021 11:11 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 06:57 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  I can’t speak on Beamers early years but from late 90s he wouldn’t let the better QB stand on the lines. Mack right now isn’t the answer for us. His legs aren’t getting it done and decision making and arm are no better right now.

I think people on this board overstate how good Wolfe is. Its not like we have a star QB on the bench.

I think we all know Wolff is not a star. If he was there wouldn't have been a competition to begin with and maybe they don't even bring Mack in. But based on Mack's history I think we expected a little more than what we are seeing.

(09-19-2021 11:23 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:09 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

Well thats the thing, how will the guy know if he doesnt put them both under the same situation in the real games esp when one of them is not having a good game or even a decent one? I also dont believe every QB's coach know what the heck they are doing. We have had a few examples in our short tenure. Bentley over Washington, Steven over Larussa. The whole premise that the guy who's job is on the line knows more makes sense if he is competent if not, not so much. I would've atleast put in Wolff to see how he does if he doesnt then well i have my answer anyway.

I don't think Wolff would have done much better against a very tough Liberty defense. But there are some guys that are great practice players but falter in games under the pressure. Mack has not done well against tough competition and really didn't look as good as I expected passing against Hampton. Maybe this is all part of Rahne's master plan. I myself would like to see Wolff play some but that is just my selfish desire.

We’ve seen Wolfe play 2 games this year and i think 4 2 years ago. He shouldnt be an unknown.

(09-19-2021 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:23 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:09 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

Well thats the thing, how will the guy know if he doesnt put them both under the same situation in the real games esp when one of them is not having a good game or even a decent one? I also dont believe every QB's coach know what the heck they are doing. We have had a few examples in our short tenure. Bentley over Washington, Steven over Larussa. The whole premise that the guy who's job is on the line knows more makes sense if he is competent if not, not so much. I would've atleast put in Wolff to see how he does if he doesnt then well i have my answer anyway.

I don't think Wolff would have done much better against a very tough Liberty defense. But there are some guys that are great practice players but falter in games under the pressure. Mack has not done well against tough competition and really didn't look as good as I expected passing against Hampton. Maybe this is all part of Rahne's master plan. I myself would like to see Wolff play some but that is just my selfish desire.

We’ve seen Wolfe play 2 games this year and i think 4 2 years ago. He shouldnt be an unknown.

We have seen him play 1 game this season where we he has had some luck moving the chains and 1 more where he was simply there for the BS time to run out the clock. While that doesn't make him a clear favorite the coaches owe it to themselves and Wolfe to see what he has got to offer in those situations and please don't quote a performance nearly 3 years ago because players do tend to improve over the time so that 2019 performance has nothing to do with 2021.

Why are some hitting the panic button after 3 games. I can already see a difference in how coach Rahne and his staff do things versus BW’s guys. Wilder left the cupboard bare, so coach is starting over. We got beat by a soon to be top 25 team. We move on to the next game. The staff knows astronomically better than we do who should play and where. 9 games remain.

(09-19-2021 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:23 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:09 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I believe the guy who's job is on the line and sees the ODU QBs everyday, is a better judge of the QBs...over a fan seeing a few games. It's a process, you got to boil eggs to make egg salad.

Well thats the thing, how will the guy know if he doesnt put them both under the same situation in the real games esp when one of them is not having a good game or even a decent one? I also dont believe every QB's coach know what the heck they are doing. We have had a few examples in our short tenure. Bentley over Washington, Steven over Larussa. The whole premise that the guy who's job is on the line knows more makes sense if he is competent if not, not so much. I would've atleast put in Wolff to see how he does if he doesnt then well i have my answer anyway.

I don't think Wolff would have done much better against a very tough Liberty defense. But there are some guys that are great practice players but falter in games under the pressure. Mack has not done well against tough competition and really didn't look as good as I expected passing against Hampton. Maybe this is all part of Rahne's master plan. I myself would like to see Wolff play some but that is just my selfish desire.

We’ve seen Wolfe play 2 games this year and i think 4 2 years ago. He shouldnt be an unknown.

So maybe I should have said I'd like to see some more of him. Most of his playing time was 2 years ago. I'd like to see more of what he can do with this team. But again, I'm just being selfish. Based on what you've seen, who would you start? Please don't say "well he's too much of an unknown".

I prefer a passing offense so I would start Hayden. But Rahne seems to clearly prefer a heavy run game with a mobile QB. You cant just flip flop them every game.

(09-19-2021 01:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I prefer a passing offense so I would start Hayden. But Rahne seems to clearly prefer a heavy run game with a mobile QB. You cant just flip flop them every game.

Well now that we have the tape for 3 games its not difficult for opposing defenses to game plan against us. If we can see some more from Wolfe and if that kid can make plays then we already have some good running backs we can use when opposing defenses spread out a little to deal with our passing game. Just because Rahne had made a decision to stick with Mack doesn't mean he has to stick with it if the ship is going down with him in it. Lets say if Wolfe works out then you have one more dimension to our offense instead of getting stuffed behind the line of scrimmage once every sequence. All we wanted to see is how Wolfe does in a real game and if a coach isn't willing to do that because he already made a decision then its too bad.

(09-19-2021 01:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I prefer a passing offense so I would start Hayden. But Rahne seems to clearly prefer a heavy run game with a mobile QB. You cant just flip flop them every game.

Passing is the great equalizer in football. It's why our program succeeded early in our program's infancy. We are going to be overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage against Power 5 schools. If you can't win at the line of scrimmage, you cannot run the ball.

Look at what LaRussa did to VA Tech. You have to be able to throw the football well to beat good FBS teams.

(09-19-2021 01:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I prefer a passing offense so I would start Hayden. But Rahne seems to clearly prefer a heavy run game with a mobile QB. You cant just flip flop them every game.

My only issue here is that Mack can't run, and seems to be a clearly worse passer. It seems the only reason Mack starts is because RR prefers a qb who can run... But again, Mack can't run.

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Are we sure Mack can't run? Most, not all, of his runs came off of options where he appears to delay. If he made his decisions faster maybe we"d see a more efficient runner. He doesn't have to break them wide open, just enough for the D to have to respect him and freeze.

(09-19-2021 01:55 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 01:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I prefer a passing offense so I would start Hayden. But Rahne seems to clearly prefer a heavy run game with a mobile QB. You cant just flip flop them every game.

My only issue here is that Mack can't run, and seems to be a clearly worse passer. It seems the only reason Mack starts is because RR prefers a qb who can run... But again, Mack can't run.

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Mack is definitely a mobile QB, but the running skills that he has displayed so far have been average. He doesn’t seem to have pocket awareness, so that hampers his mobility some. We could still have a heavy run game with a traditional pocket passer, so I don’t see how that conflicts with Rahne’s philosophy. And even though most experts advise against it, you could certainly switch QBs. Teams generally don’t have great success doing it primarily because they don’t already have one dominant QB choice to begin with. So there’s a good chance they won’t be successful even if they stick with just one. We don’t have a dominant star QB, so maybe we should act like it. I don’t think either of these guys are the QB of the future, so let’s play the one that will give us the most success, even if it’s situational.