(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

From the article
"AAC commissioner Mike Aresco is not worried about a reworking of the deal, persons close to those discussions tell CBS Sports. Aresco has been telling constituents that he hopes to keep the value of the conference's media rights payout equal to what it was before Cincinnati, Houston and UCF left for the Big 12. AAC schools are paid approximately $7 million annually as part of a deal signed in 2019 with ESPN."

I'm guessing Aresco has some assurances from ESPN.

(09-16-2021 02:03 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:59 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

You think? Probably have year before the next domino. If Boise had followed through in joining the AAC a few years back, they might be leaving for the Big 12 right now.

Their choice will be interesting, and even more so if a few of the top MWC brands say yes. Does Boise still stay and backfill the 9 left in the MWC?

If other MWC members accept, Boise will look to get off that sinking ship ASAP.

this is the key..

the aac needs to go to espn and ask what the value of the tv deal will be top 6 mwc (only taking 4)
if its around the same 7mil

offer it to all 6 say you are only taking 4.. then it becomes a game of chicken , as soon as 1 says yes....no one will want to be the one left out

Throwing those MWC names out there and not being able to land them would leave the American with egg on its face. I hope this means there is mutual interest.

(09-16-2021 02:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:30 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I don’t know how to feel.
If the AAC sits around for the MWC. I could see The Belt making a move for UAB, LaTech, Marshall, and Southern Miss.

If the AAC gets Markets, and The Sunbelt gets football schools. It’ll be interesting.

Nah. Those schools arent moving until they know the AAC is absolutely positively off the table.

even if they did theyd leave right after to join the aac....like tcu with the big east/big12

(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Not sure I agree. If the AC places little restriction on Boise related to a move to the B12 down the road (beyond their current MWC exit fees) why would they not move to increase annual TV revenue by at least $3.5M. And it could be more considering the MWC payout might be reduced substantially if SDSU, AF & CSU make the move. Adding Boise, SDSU, AF, CSU & UAB would not only secure the 6th conference status, it would mortally weaken the MWC & CUSA. And grabbing App St would do the same to the SBC, getting the AAC to 14 schools & setting up a western & eastern div.

This part gives me hope

Quote: Boise State and UAB have been discussed most prominently among the five expansion candidates.

(09-16-2021 02:09 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

From the article
"AAC commissioner Mike Aresco is not worried about a reworking of the deal, persons close to those discussions tell CBS Sports. Aresco has been telling constituents that he hopes to keep the value of the conference's media rights payout equal to what it was before Cincinnati, Houston and UCF left for the Big 12. AAC schools are paid approximately $7 million annually as part of a deal signed in 2019 with ESPN."

I'm guessing Aresco has some assurances from ESPN.

That doesn't sound like assurances to me, but we'll see.

(09-16-2021 02:11 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  This part gives me hope

Quote: Boise State and UAB have been discussed most prominently among the five expansion candidates.

pretty much... it guarantees uab a spot if the aac cant go west... and many arent even sure that is possible

Im just glad that a 0-11 Tulsa team gets rewarded with road games in San Diego

(09-16-2021 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

These are crumbs compared to what convinced Texas and Oklahoma to leave the Big XII. Travel will go up for all sports. Is it worth it?

We’re not used to having anything more than crumbs. What’s that like?

(09-16-2021 02:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Not sure I agree. If the AC places little restriction on Boise related to a move to the B12 down the road (beyond their current MWC exit fees) why would they not move to increase annual TV revenue by at least $3.5M. And it could be more considering the MWC payout might be reduced substantially if SDSU, AF & CSU make the move. Adding Boise, SDSU, AF, CSU & UAB would not only secure the 6th conference status, it would mortally weaken the MWC & CUSA. And grabbing App St would do the same to the SBC, getting the AAC to 14 schools & setting up a western & eastern div.

Aresco is probably selling Boise on the fact that Cincy, UCF and Houston all used the American to reach the B12. There's no reason Boise couldn't go straight from the MWC to the B12, but I'm betting that's the pitch.

IDK how this really works if you only go to 12. Travel will be an absolute nightmare.

(09-16-2021 02:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:09 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

From the article
"AAC commissioner Mike Aresco is not worried about a reworking of the deal, persons close to those discussions tell CBS Sports. Aresco has been telling constituents that he hopes to keep the value of the conference's media rights payout equal to what it was before Cincinnati, Houston and UCF left for the Big 12. AAC schools are paid approximately $7 million annually as part of a deal signed in 2019 with ESPN."

I'm guessing Aresco has some assurances from ESPN.

That doesn't sound like assurances to me, but we'll see.

Its fairly obvious at this point Aresco and ESPN have a good relationship. He can't flat out come out and give promises without ink on the paper.

(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Here's what confuses me. They turned the AAC down on the last attempt and there was more money involved. And also the 3 premier teams leaving were still here. What makes anyone in the MWC leave there for the AAC? I just don't see it.

This is why I dont think you go after Boise---at least not at first. Everyone knows Boise is on the Big12 radar. So, you go after teams that will need to consider what their best future will be if Boise is gone. I'd have invited the entire front range. Those are all schools that have interest in staying together and who all make substantially less than Boise under the current MW tv deal. After that, the rest will come to you.

i honestly think the key for boise is offering them a deal that if they get a big 12 invite before 2026 there will be no exit fees or a reduced exit fee

i think theyd jump on that...the feel their "star" is being dimmed in the mwc.. which it has..

the argument is why "wait" why not stay in the mwc for 5 years and wait for the big 12 to expand again.. at the rate boise is losing star power.. usf,smu, or whoever could easily jump them before the next round

(09-16-2021 02:13 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

These are crumbs compared to what convinced Texas and Oklahoma to leave the Big XII. Travel will go up for all sports. Is it worth it?

We’re not used to having anything more than crumbs. What’s that like?

I’m just saying I don’t know how the administration at San Diego State—a public university in California of all places—justifies increasing travel for its student athletes for crumbs.

I get why Aresco wants to pursue them, but I just don’t understand how it makes sense economically for SDSU.

(09-16-2021 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Not sure I agree. If the AC places little restriction on Boise related to a move to the B12 down the road (beyond their current MWC exit fees) why would they not move to increase annual TV revenue by at least $3.5M. And it could be more considering the MWC payout might be reduced substantially if SDSU, AF & CSU make the move. Adding Boise, SDSU, AF, CSU & UAB would not only secure the 6th conference status, it would mortally weaken the MWC & CUSA. And grabbing App St would do the same to the SBC, getting the AAC to 14 schools & setting up a western & eastern div.

Aresco is probably selling Boise on the fact that Cincy, UCF and Houston all used the American to reach the B12. There's no reason Boise couldn't go straight from the MWC to the B12, but I'm betting that's the pitch.

God I hope that's not the pitch. What the AAC needs to do is pay Boise's exit fee and waive the enterance fee. That negates the financial risk of moving to a new conference. If Boise moves maybe the others follow and that's $7000000 promise Aresco made might become an actuality.

(09-16-2021 02:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:13 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There you go. Aresco also says in article he thinks the payout would remain at 7 mill with those additions. Like I have been saying this is the best bet for all those remaining. You can make a deal with Boise that if they should get an invite to Big12 their exit fee would be same as they currently have in MWC.

That's really the key - that AAC payout has to continue being materially larger than the MWC payout if this plan is going to have any traction.

These are crumbs compared to what convinced Texas and Oklahoma to leave the Big XII. Travel will go up for all sports. Is it worth it?

We’re not used to having anything more than crumbs. What’s that like?

I’m just saying I don’t know how the administration at San Diego State—a public university in California of all places—justifies increasing travel for its student athletes for crumbs.

I get why Aresco wants to pursue them, but I just don’t understand how it makes sense economically for SDSU.

With a western division how much more would it be? Not like their Olympic sports will go to Temple or USF

(09-16-2021 02:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly think the key for boise is offering them a deal that if they get a big 12 invite before 2026 there will be no exit fees or a reduced exit fee

i think theyd jump on that...the feel their "star" is being dimmed in the mwc.. which it has..

the argument is why "wait" why not stay in the mwc for 5 years and wait for the big 12 to expand again.. at the rate boise is losing star power.. usf,smu, or whoever could easily jump them before the next round

Yeah I'd advocate for something like that and/or the AAC could always pay their exit fee with the money you guys will be sending us. Essentially there's plenty of ways you can structure this where it's not any more or less difficult to accept a B12 invite down the road.

(09-16-2021 01:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Here's what confuses me. They turned the AAC down on the last attempt and there was more money involved. And also the 3 premier teams leaving were still here. What makes anyone in the MWC leave there for the AAC? I just don't see it.

this is wrong on all aspects

there was less money involved in 2012.... and the aac turned them down

1) the sdsu/boise 1.0 - the tv deal was 3mil.... there is more money at stake now

2) Boise left because of a sweetheart deal.. boise came back to the aac and said it wanted to stay in the aac and all we had to do was match the deal... the aac refused
2b) the mwc is desperately trying to get rid of the sweetheart deal
2c) sdsu never wanted to leave, the travel cost by themselves was too much...we let them go and didnt charge them an exit fee


3) boise just 6 month ago tried to join the aac ...we turned the down.. they wanted full membership for all sports...we wanted them football only...neither budged ..
link: https://boisedev.com/news/2020/12/21/boi...onference/
link: https://boisedev.com/news/2020/12/08/bry...tain-west/
link: https://www.theledger.com/story/sports/c...736967002/

This is a fairly perfect explanation of the landscape then and now. I'll add that we've previously negotiated with 2 (Boise and SDSU) and 1 (Boise only) in the last two rounds. Adding 4 helps ease travel woes. If you have a division that (apart from Nay being a bunch of weirdos) doesn't go East of Oklahoma, that seems doable.

The pitch to Boise is basically A) if you'd have joined either of the past two times you'd probably be moving to the Big 12 right now, and B) a few of your friends are coming now which is, good for you and, bad for the teams staying behind.