(09-12-2021 07:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 05:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 05:16 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  NCAA Tournament autobids dont disappear into thin air. Even the WAC kept chugging along.

Not as an FBS league.

Is there such a thing as an NCAA Autbid in FCS football lol?

The NCAA auto bid refers to NCAA Tournaments in non-football sports. Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams also play basketball and baseball and volleyball and soccer, etc. and their conferences get an auto-bid for those tournaments.

(09-12-2021 09:24 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 09:14 AM)jmu18 Wrote:  Some rumors from unconfirmed JMU and Marshall sources say JMU, Marshall, ODU are trying for a package deal to go to Sun Belt East to join App State & other geographic rivals.

Why wouldn't CUSA just add App and JMU then?

Maybe a smaller share of CFP money and a patchwork TV deal doesn’t appeal to App.

(09-12-2021 09:36 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Outside of UTEP and maybe FIU/FAU, seems to me that the SBC and CUSA have similar footprints. The most sense (so it will never happen) would be for CUSA and the SBC to swap some programs around based on an east/west split.

I said years ago the logical move if people want this eastern G5 league so bad was for all of them to join Sun Belt and sit back and wait for CUSA to back fill with western CUSA teams because so far no one has ever gotten two leagues together to swap in an organized manner.

It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

CUSA and AAC will be fine. I guarantee both will be here 10 years from now. Quote that!

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

Just as the SBC wasn't killed off when they lost 5 schools last go around, CUSA won't be killed off this time. If it has to rebuild with FCS schools to survive, that's what will happen.

(09-12-2021 07:03 PM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 04:25 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 04:16 PM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTSA
FAU
USF

will be the new additions for 16 league that will replace AAC as the
"P" conference.

It delivers major markets, academics, facilities, strong records, and budgets to support competing at the highest level.

This will kill either the AAC or CUSA and leave some skills to decide on wether to drop football at the FBS level.

I’ve heard this weekend that there is a strong possibility that the SBC has a very good chance of grabbing 4 of the following programs.

Tulsa
ECU
UAB
USM
Marshall
Liberty
UTSA
USF

The feeling within the SBC is that the AAC is on borrowed time. Mainly due to the impasse that voting members find themselves. It is markets vs performance.

The MWC is strongly rumored to grab UTEP and SMU.

The Big 12 is likely to add Memphis and one other once Texas and OU exit the league.

Noone wants UTEP. They bring nothing to the table. They most likely will drop FB is CUSA folds.
BIG 12 has passed on Memphis for the reasons their president stated. Those issues can't be addressed short term.
MWC at this time is in a wait-and-see moment. Noone will join if BSU, and others, are departing. If SMU can join the SBC as listed above, with a competitive revenue stream, they will accept an SBC bid. Lower travel costs, and stronger FB teams, with a strong revenue stream, is what SMU is looking for. SBC is their best option outside of a possible Big 12 invite should TCU and UH depart for the PAC 12.

I agree. I don't see Memphis getting the add. It'll be Colorado State & South Florida I think to get the Big 12 to 14.

Theres always FCS call-ups or even independents.

If the Big XII adds 2 itll be because Kansas and OK St or TCU went to another Power league.

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

If things were good in cusa they couldnt kill us. But we have a conf office that caters to texas +Tech. That has been the turd in the punchbowl of the eastern schools and recently us. CUSA has self inflicted wounds.

(09-12-2021 11:01 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

If things were good in cusa they couldnt kill us. But we have a conf office that caters to texas +Tech. That has been the turd in the punchbowl of the eastern schools and recently us. CUSA has self inflicted wounds.

Good luck in the Sun Belt then.

Whatever happened to calling "baloney" on these posts and asking for links or sources? I can remember in the recent past folks here laughing away and seriously doubting posts with zero basis.

(09-12-2021 11:01 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

If things were good in cusa they couldnt kill us. But we have a conf office that caters to texas +Tech. That has been the turd in the punchbowl of the eastern schools and recently us. CUSA has self inflicted wounds.

Others, like me, see this as well. I don't know what the future holds for CUSA, but I hope USM comes out of this strange situation in a good position.

(09-12-2021 04:25 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 04:16 PM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTSA
FAU
USF

will be the new additions for 16 league that will replace AAC as the
"P" conference.

It delivers major markets, academics, facilities, strong records, and budgets to support competing at the highest level.

This will kill either the AAC or CUSA and leave some skills to decide on wether to drop football at the FBS level.

I’ve heard this weekend that there is a strong possibility that the SBC has a very good chance of grabbing 4 of the following programs.

Tulsa
ECU
UAB
USM
Marshall
Liberty
UTSA
USF

The feeling within the SBC is that the AAC is on borrowed time. Mainly due to the impasse that voting members find themselves. It is markets vs performance.

The MWC is strongly rumored to grab UTEP and SMU.

The Big 12 is likely to add Memphis and one other once Texas and OU exit the league.

Outside the box add for the Big 12, IMO:
East Carolina. I don't see ECU getting in over Memphis, but I can see them being taken along with Memphis. To me, ECU adds a lot more than South Florida does. Had the Bulls kept their old coach, maybe I could see the Big 12 for them. But right now??? Kind of dumb if you ask me. I guess South Florida would be an ok Sun Belt school. They would be like Georgia State though, IMO.

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The Big 12 is likely to add Memphis and one other once Texas and OU exit the league.
[/quote]Outside the box add for the Big 12, IMO:
East Carolina. I don't see ECU getting in over Memphis, but I can see them being taken along with Memphis. To me, ECU adds a lot more than South Florida does. Had the Bulls kept their old coach, maybe I could see the Big 12 for them. But right now??? Kind of dumb if you ask me. I guess South Florida would be an ok Sun Belt school. They would be like Georgia State though, IMO.

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...I think the issue with the Florida schools is they are BIG and URBAN... thus, on average they just don't 'jibe' with schools which don't fit that criteria (I know, I think they should just go with best available teams regardless of their 'makeup', but the institutions seem to have to have some commonality - it's why BYU never got into the PAC 12, although it would have been a great fit, athletic-wise...) ...even FAU (35,000 students) and FIU (over 50,000 students) are 'outgrowing' CUSA, and I'd be surprised if one or both don't make the jump 'up' to the AAC sooner or later - especially if USF somehow ends up in the BIG XII... I could even fathom a deal where FSU eventually ends up in the SEC (GOR be danged), USF jumps to the ACC, then FIU/FAU split between the AAC and CUSA... ...of course, USF to the ACC is a big jump from a possible SBC invite, so who knows the endgame... FAU and/or FIU may surpass USF down the road...

(09-12-2021 11:27 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 11:01 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  [quote='esayem' pid='17632292' dateline='1631503553']
It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

If things were good in cusa they couldnt kill us. But we have a conf office that caters to texas +Tech. That has been the turd in the punchbowl of the eastern schools and recently us. CUSA has self inflicted wounds.

Others, like me, see this as well. I don't know what the future holds for CUSA, but I hope USM comes out of this strange situation in a good position.
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Look what backfilling has done to CUSA. Know for a fact that AppSt is working with SBC to get ahead of this rather than just allowing the conferences to fill a void left by being cherry picked. MWC and SBC have actually built good leagues with quality programs, if those two conferences can take advantage of a weakened CUSA that will lose UAB and possibly another to the AAC, we can build even stronger regional divisions. I believe this concept will hinge on what the AAC does to an extent. For example, if a group of schools tells the AAC they would be interested if 2-3 other schools are also invited to accomplish the same goal, the AAC will have a decision to make. The age of these spread out G-5 conferences is over, and we have a say in what happens next if we stick together.

(09-12-2021 11:01 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

If things were good in cusa they couldnt kill us. But we have a conf office that caters to texas +Tech. That has been the turd in the punchbowl of the eastern schools and recently us. CUSA has self inflicted wounds.

That's not true at all.

(09-12-2021 10:55 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

Just as the SBC wasn't killed off when they lost 5 schools last go around, CUSA won't be killed off this time. If it has to rebuild with FCS schools to survive, that's what will happen.

Even if 5 teams defected CUSA would be at 9 teams - so they’re not getting killed off. From there CUSA could try and add Liberty or NMSU to get to 10 to feel more stable. My main concern if I was a CUSA team would be if the Sun Belt and AAC went big and/or if the MWC decided they wanted in on the game and made a play for some Texas schools. Still, they could backfill, but the conference would look drastically different.

Yes, the other part of the quote is that the next two school are strong football schools. Right now, it is Boise State and Memphis as number 13 and 14 for the Big 12. There is no way anybody is going leave the AAC for the SBC because the tv cotract is better.


There are strong sleeper schools that nobody are talking about right now.

(09-13-2021 07:29 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:55 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  It makes ZERO sense for a G5 league to go beyond 12, let alone 16 like posters who won’t let the coast 2 coast AAC die. Do they not understand how the expanded playoffs will work?

If the Sun Belt it expands, it does so after the AAC picks off a few C-USA schools. No school is moving unless they know they aren’t getting that ticket.

The AAC and SBC can kill off CUSA. Or the MWC and SBC can kill off the AAC. Either way, there is chaos and turmoil in the G5 ranks.

Just as the SBC wasn't killed off when they lost 5 schools last go around, CUSA won't be killed off this time. If it has to rebuild with FCS schools to survive, that's what will happen.

Even if 5 teams defected CUSA would be at 9 teams - so they’re not getting killed off. From there CUSA could try and add Liberty or NMSU to get to 10 to feel more stable. My main concern if I was a CUSA team would be if the Sun Belt and AAC went big and/or if the MWC decided they wanted in on the game and made a play for some Texas schools. Still, they could backfill, but the conference would look drastically different.

On another thought, if SBC and AAC take teams, and it’s possible MWC could be interested… couldn’t the MAC, another ESPN property, also take a couple teams - like WKU and MTSU perhaps? Realignment is a crazy game and nothing would surprise me.