Isn't it fascinating that different pharma companies around the globe set out with a goal to manufacture a vaccine the quickest to save humanity and they all somehow managed to get finished with production and rolling them out at the same time?

What a coincidence!!!!

And that entire time they didn't work on any therapeutics until 2021?

Right when they realized half of the country wasn't going to go along with the vaccine?

And they've studied Ivermectin to produce it?

Like? LMFAO?

It shocks me how asleep people still are.

(08-27-2021 07:41 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  My wife is an RN at one of the local hospitals. I don't care if anyone gets the vaccine or doesn't. I believe everyone has the right to make health decisions that best serve themselves. Just trying to give a real world observation about the state of affairs she is seeing and she has been doing this for almost 15 years

Their hospital is on diversion, if you show up in the ER and are not on the verge of death they are shipping them. ICU is full and not just from lack of staffing, they do not have the space to put anyone else. They stabilize and ship, but 2/3 major hospitals in the area are full as well.

My point is whatever is going on this year is very different than last year. I think the media is focusing on what's going on with Afghanistan to distract from covid is going to be way worse this year with vaccines than it was last year.

Yep my Mississippi residing grandmother needed some medical attention a little over a week ago. I took her to the local hospital and I was prohibited from waiting in the waiting room because of the virus. I waited outside for 5 hours. I won't get into the people I saw being admitted in. Anyway my grandmother said there were people laying on beds in the halls.

Going to a hospital with covid is akin to a death sentence. If I was to get it i’d recover at home or die at home. Most people i know feel the same.

(09-06-2021 12:05 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 07:41 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  My wife is an RN at one of the local hospitals. I don't care if anyone gets the vaccine or doesn't. I believe everyone has the right to make health decisions that best serve themselves. Just trying to give a real world observation about the state of affairs she is seeing and she has been doing this for almost 15 years

Their hospital is on diversion, if you show up in the ER and are not on the verge of death they are shipping them. ICU is full and not just from lack of staffing, they do not have the space to put anyone else. They stabilize and ship, but 2/3 major hospitals in the area are full as well.

My point is whatever is going on this year is very different than last year. I think the media is focusing on what's going on with Afghanistan to distract from covid is going to be way worse this year with vaccines than it was last year.

Yep my Mississippi residing grandmother needed some medical attention a little over a week ago. I took her to the local hospital and I was prohibited from waiting in the waiting room because of the virus. I waited outside for 5 hours. I won't get into the people I saw being admitted in. Anyway my grandmother said there were people laying on beds in the halls.

Obamacare was supposed to fix the people going to the ER for a hangover problem.

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I have a question about the numbers. Who puts the data into the system and who gives them the data to enter into the system?

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I don't care what you say, I am simply referring to the stunning numbers of a raging pandemic in the most vaccinated countries on the planet earth that are very real.

Ignore them, take a dump on them, I don't really care.

See? that kinda works both ways.

So, the two of you are in agreement then.

(09-06-2021 06:29 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  So, the two of you are in agreement then.

As far as the vax helping the elderly and more immune compromised, we probably are in agreement.

Where we disagree is pretending that his local numbers are somehow more important that numbers coming out of the most vaccinated nations on the planet.

Do the vaccines help some people? yes. Are they living up to their promise and ending the pandemic? not even close.

Should all healthy young people and children all get vaccinated? HIGHLY debatable at this point and a very risky move for people who already have a +99.9% survival rate.

(09-06-2021 06:24 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I have a question about the numbers. Who puts the data into the system and who gives them the data to enter into the system?

Bump

Was j/k to lighten the mood some.

While you both had valid points, I prefer to take the 30,000 ft. view and agree that we should realize what the stats coming out of countries like Israel tell us.

While we can disagree, we don't necessarily have to be disagreeable about it. He was just passing along a local anecdote about where he lives.

(09-06-2021 06:24 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:56 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So the data coming from Israel and Iceland is manipulated to fit some leftwing narrative?

Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I have a question about the numbers. Who puts the data into the system and who gives them the data to enter into the system?

They come from several different sources within the system. The clinical side, admissions, other data collection areas.

Pretty interesting actually regardless of where or how you stand on the situation.

(09-06-2021 06:41 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Was j/k to lighten the mood some.

While you both had valid points, I prefer to take the 30,000 ft. view and agree that we should realize what the stats coming out of countries like Israel tell us.

While we can disagree, we don't necessarily have to be disagreeable about it. He was just passing along a local anecdote about where he lives.

Yep. If you read the thread, that’s pretty much it. Passing on local info.
But some enjoy antagonizing, arguing, passive aggressive rock throwing etc.
And that’s fine.

(09-06-2021 06:41 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Was j/k to lighten the mood some.

While you both had valid points, I prefer to take the 30,000 ft. view and agree that we should realize what the stats coming out of countries like Israel tell us.

While we can disagree, we don't necessarily have to be disagreeable about it. He was just passing along a local anecdote about where he lives.

Well I am certainly not trying to attack him personally, I have a lot respect for him. I find him to be a really good poster, a smart guy and a really good mod.

If he wants to take personal shots at me for pushing back on the topic then I'm fine with that.

I am going to continue to speak up and give my view as well.

(09-06-2021 12:32 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Going to a hospital with covid is akin to a death sentence. If I was to get it i’d recover at home or die at home. Most people i know feel the same.

What many people don't realize is that there are few independent hospitals anymore. They have had to join these huge hospital networks for financial reasons to survive. These networks have "protocols" for treating covid patients that are based on the NIH model.

These protocols can and may kill you. Basically they don't want to treat any covid patients until they are in distress. Then, they rush to put patients on a ventilator and give them Remdesivir. One of the known side effects can be kidney failure. Your lungs fill up with fluid and you die.

These pages on Resdemivir only briefly mention kidney issues. Yet, many of those who have died in a hospital with covid have been given the drug.

IF you contract covid and a test comes back positive and you go to the hospital, insist on them giving you a Patient's Bill of Rights, which they are required by law to do. Do not let them run you out of the hospital if it is a family member or spouse that has been admitted. Tell them that they are NOT going to administer Remdesivir or put them on a ventilator. If they insist and say it is our Protocol, tell them that you do NOT have to be in THEIR hospital and you are going to go elsewhere where YOUR treatment wishes will be respected.

Check America's Frontline Doctors online and get their treatment protocol and insist that it be followed. This is how you can prevent the hospital from killing you.

This has been a public service announcement. It is not an attack on doctors or healthcare workers. They only do what they are directed to do by their employers.

Mrs 200 is feeling little better today. Fever under 100 all day. Toddler is good as well.

About 4 pm today it hit me like a ton of bricks, just like back in March of 2020. Temperature shot up to 102.6 and the body aches and chills set in. Back in March of 20, this passed in about 3 days and I was all good. Hopefully won't be as long this time.



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Fever and chills broke overnight. I feel 100% fine, other than my glutes hurting no matter what position I'm in. I don't remember that last time, it was more full body aches.

Mrs 200 has a slight cough but that's it. She's quarantined till Saturday and I'm stuck till Thursday week.

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(09-06-2021 06:50 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:24 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I have a question about the numbers. Who puts the data into the system and who gives them the data to enter into the system?

They come from several different sources within the system. The clinical side, admissions, other data collection areas.

Pretty interesting actually regardless of where or how you stand on the situation.

Thanks 450 for the information, that's what I needed to know.