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Mack to get the start per Minium.

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(09-03-2021 05:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Mack to get the start per Minium.

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Makes sense

(09-03-2021 05:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Mack to get the start per Minium.

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The commercial has been stuck in my head since I read this post and it is still stuck in my head. Thank you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrIg18Uby4E

(09-04-2021 12:13 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Mack to get the start per Minium.

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The commercial has been stuck in my head since I read this post and it is still stuck in my head. Thank you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrIg18Uby4E

Before McDonald's this was a 1950's hit. https://youtu.be/557lFG-qq5g

Mack will start against Hampton. I don't get it.

I think that's fine as long as Wolff gets an equal opportunity

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(09-06-2021 02:36 PM)odufansam Wrote:  Mack will start against Hampton. I don't get it.

I believe I read where RR said in an interview recently that once he made a QB decision he was going to stick with it and ride out the ups and downs. He wanted the person to play loose, be confident and know they weren’t going to be yanked at first mistake. While I might second guess the choice, I agree with RRs philosophy here. If he’s made a decision you have to give the guy some leeway and a chance to get better. RR has seen a lot more of these guys abilities. At least give him several games.

I prefer Wolfe based on what Ive seen but Rahne chose Mack based on several weeks of camp. I would be more concerned if he chose a QB based on weeks of camp and then changed his mind over a few series vs an ACC school. Now, if Mack looks bad for a half Vs Hampton, then maybe we switch gears.

I would be patient to judge Mack. The guy was very good on a big stage.

I prefer Wolff but not surprise Rahnes sticking to his word he went on air after the game and said he wasn’t going to flip flop quarterbacks

To me Mack has a good frame, but it doesn't look like he added much upper bulk the pass year. His build looks more looks more like a freshman, to me. I'm hoping he finds his groove this weekend and we see the other dimension (his wheels). In RR we trust.

I have no problem with Mack or Wolff, but I do have a problem with read-option plays. Just commit to something and run it the best you can. If you don't like the call, audible to something else. Don't ask the QB's to make decisions mid-play.

BTW, first half pass attempt stats:
3 for 9 on passes up to 10 yards (4 drops)
0 for 1 on passes from 10 to 20 yards (intercepted)
0 for 1 on passes greater than 20 yards (broken up)

That is a poor job of using the entire field. Maybe that was on the coaching staff, or maybe that was on Mack. We'll see as we go forward. If there is no threat of going deep, the defense's job is easier.

/end rant.

To me, Mack looked like he was playing not to make mistakes instead of loose and free. He needs to realize that he is the QB for probably a 2 win team! Loosen up and have fun. He is the better athlete of the two QB's, let him show it. Wolfe is a better passer but with our receivers, not sure how successful we would be.

(09-06-2021 05:02 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  I have no problem with Mack or Wolff, but I do have a problem with read-option plays. Just commit to something and run it the best you can. If you don't like the call, audible to something else. Don't ask the QB's to make decisions mid-play.

BTW, first half pass attempt stats:
3 for 9 on passes up to 10 yards (4 drops)
0 for 1 on passes from 10 to 20 yards (intercepted)
0 for 1 on passes greater than 20 yards (broken up)

That is a poor job of using the entire field. Maybe that was on the coaching staff, or maybe that was on Mack. We'll see as we go forward. If there is no threat of going deep, the defense's job is easier.

/end rant.

Not liking read options is odd

(09-06-2021 07:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:02 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  I have no problem with Mack or Wolff, but I do have a problem with read-option plays. Just commit to something and run it the best you can. If you don't like the call, audible to something else. Don't ask the QB's to make decisions mid-play.

BTW, first half pass attempt stats:
3 for 9 on passes up to 10 yards (4 drops)
0 for 1 on passes from 10 to 20 yards (intercepted)
0 for 1 on passes greater than 20 yards (broken up)

That is a poor job of using the entire field. Maybe that was on the coaching staff, or maybe that was on Mack. We'll see as we go forward. If there is no threat of going deep, the defense's job is easier.

/end rant.

Not liking read options is odd

Probably. But I hate seeing the wrong option taken. Even the announcers said that Mack should have kept the ball and run around the end on several plays. But we really don't know what the play was or what the read was. Just frustration when the handoff goes to the back and he runs into a wall at the LOS when it looks like a read option play.

I just really think it takes too much time out of practice to work on a read for a running play when the reads for passing plays are much more complex and need more work. It boils down to return on investment.

There seems to be some confusion as to what the RPO, or Run/Pass Option is.

Thee run-pass option provides the quarterback the option to hand the ball to the running back (run) or pass the football to a receiver (pass).
The offensive line blocks as if it’s run play. This has the advantage of forcing a defense to have to defend run or pass.

A quarterback keeper can be a designed play, a third run option (the QB sees an opening), or a busted pass play.
That an announcer determined that the QB should have kept the ball himself is not a flaw of the RPO. Indeed, if we play Wolff, that will likely not be an encouraged play or a QB run option, by design. I am not sure if Mack was greenlighted to run himself or not. Wolff likely will not be, and Stone Smartt would likely be encouraged to do so at will.

(09-07-2021 09:15 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  There seems to be some confusion as to what the RPO, or Run/Pass Option is.

Thee run-pass option provides the quarterback the option to hand the ball to the running back (run) or pass the football to a receiver (pass).
The offensive line blocks as if it’s run play. This has the advantage of forcing a defense to have to defend run or pass.

A quarterback keeper can be a designed play, a third run option (the QB sees an opening), or a busted pass play.
That an announcer determined that the QB should have kept the ball himself is not a flaw of the RPO. Indeed, if we play Wolff, that will likely not be an encouraged play or a QB run option, by design. I am not sure if Mack was greenlighted to run himself or not. Wolff likely will not be, and Stone Smartt would likely be encouraged to do so at will.

RPOs have become more complicated as layers are added and defenses adjust but many times there are 3 options. (A) hand off to the running back, (B) QB keeper if the DE crashes, or © passing option. Most teams run either a form of slant behind the weakside backer or a quick screen to the WR.

We don't know if Mack had the option to run or not on some of the handoffs. I would assume he does by how athletic he is but we don't really know.

https://insider.afca.com/xs-os-run-pass-...implified/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3D5MDpiKEY

(09-07-2021 08:42 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 07:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:02 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  I have no problem with Mack or Wolff, but I do have a problem with read-option plays. Just commit to something and run it the best you can. If you don't like the call, audible to something else. Don't ask the QB's to make decisions mid-play.

BTW, first half pass attempt stats:
3 for 9 on passes up to 10 yards (4 drops)
0 for 1 on passes from 10 to 20 yards (intercepted)
0 for 1 on passes greater than 20 yards (broken up)

That is a poor job of using the entire field. Maybe that was on the coaching staff, or maybe that was on Mack. We'll see as we go forward. If there is no threat of going deep, the defense's job is easier.

/end rant.

Not liking read options is odd

Probably. But I hate seeing the wrong option taken. Even the announcers said that Mack should have kept the ball and run around the end on several plays. But we really don't know what the play was or what the read was. Just frustration when the handoff goes to the back and he runs into a wall at the LOS when it looks like a read option play.

I just really think it takes too much time out of practice to work on a read for a running play when the reads for passing plays are much more complex and need more work. It boils down to return on investment.

How do you feel about the triple option offense? I'm actually a fan of it and it's entirely based off of players making decisions.

(09-07-2021 10:28 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:42 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 07:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:02 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  I have no problem with Mack or Wolff, but I do have a problem with read-option plays. Just commit to something and run it the best you can. If you don't like the call, audible to something else. Don't ask the QB's to make decisions mid-play.

BTW, first half pass attempt stats:
3 for 9 on passes up to 10 yards (4 drops)
0 for 1 on passes from 10 to 20 yards (intercepted)
0 for 1 on passes greater than 20 yards (broken up)

That is a poor job of using the entire field. Maybe that was on the coaching staff, or maybe that was on Mack. We'll see as we go forward. If there is no threat of going deep, the defense's job is easier.

/end rant.

Not liking read options is odd

Probably. But I hate seeing the wrong option taken. Even the announcers said that Mack should have kept the ball and run around the end on several plays. But we really don't know what the play was or what the read was. Just frustration when the handoff goes to the back and he runs into a wall at the LOS when it looks like a read option play.

I just really think it takes too much time out of practice to work on a read for a running play when the reads for passing plays are much more complex and need more work. It boils down to return on investment.

How do you feel about the triple option offense? I'm actually a fan of it and it's entirely based off of players making decisions.

I enjoy watching it run. I would hate it for MY team. I would not coach it if it was my decision. Too much time is necessary to run it correctly. No time for passing game. Which is why most triple option teams can't pass.

(09-07-2021 09:15 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  There seems to be some confusion as to what the RPO, or Run/Pass Option is.

Thee run-pass option provides the quarterback the option to hand the ball to the running back (run) or pass the football to a receiver (pass).
The offensive line blocks as if it’s run play. This has the advantage of forcing a defense to have to defend run or pass.

A quarterback keeper can be a designed play, a third run option (the QB sees an opening), or a busted pass play.
That an announcer determined that the QB should have kept the ball himself is not a flaw of the RPO. Indeed, if we play Wolff, that will likely not be an encouraged play or a QB run option, by design. I am not sure if Mack was greenlighted to run himself or not. Wolff likely will not be, and Stone Smartt would likely be encouraged to do so at will.

No confusion here. I did not notice evidence that we ran RPOs. And I never called it an RPO because I don't think the P was part of the options. I think they were just run options (often called read options), meaning hand off or keep it. You can tell there was no P based on whether the WRs were blocking right away or running a pattern. An announcer can figure that part out.

What makes it hard to distinguish between a run option or a straight handoff is the footwork by the QB and how the ball is held before the handoff. If I coached a lot of run options, I would instruct the QB to perform the handoff the same way for a straight handoff play because you want to keep the DE or OLB away from the inside run. So it's hard to tell if the QB had the option at all on a particular play.

As Giles said, it's odd to not like it as a fan. I get it. But I see most teams not run it. It's probably because the QB can't run well or they don't want him to run for fear of injury. It does take a lot of practice time to perfect it, even without the P. I would spend more time on pre-snap and post-snap reads in the passing game and getting rid of the ball faster. I thought Mack was a bit too slow on the release at times. A bit earlier and the pass would not have been as contested as it was.

Flagship- I think most teams do run it. I can't remember watching a college game where the team did not run an RPO. Im trying to think of the last one. It would have to be a pure dropback passer for sure but even some of them run it.