(08-25-2021 03:23 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 03:08 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I don't get the Boise love. If I was commissioner I would add:
1) UC
2) UCF
3) BYU
4) Memphis
5) Houston
6) USF

In that order.

If you don't understand the love for Boise State you're not paying attention.

Should probably pay attention to the number of arrests by ex-Boise players. If these guys couldn't get into the P12 than how dumb are they really?

The only P4 conference that MAY have a serious interest in taking any of the remaining B12 schools is the PAC12. I doubt the BIG is currently desiring Kansas & ISU.
The PAC could expand by 2 to 4 schools.
Bowlsby, if he has either ear to ground, should have a clue which B12 schools, if any, are in serious discussions with the PAC12. Bowlsby should be able to say to UCF and anyone else under consideration for B12 expansion, which B12 schools could possibly leave in the near future; and beyond that, give periodic and timely updates to prospects.

Being informed and candid are key.

Need a subscription to view, but the Athletic notes one reason UCF may be garnering so much interest. They mention that the league leaders are reluctant to deal with Houston after the unpleasant experience of dealing with Tilman Feritta back in 2016.

They mention BYU, Cincy, Boise State, and UCF as the most logical additions.

https://theathletic.com/2789067/2021/08/...ed-article

I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

(08-25-2021 03:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 03:23 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 03:08 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I don't get the Boise love. If I was commissioner I would add:
1) UC
2) UCF
3) BYU
4) Memphis
5) Houston
6) USF

In that order.

If you don't understand the love for Boise State you're not paying attention.

We are paying attention

Yep....if Boise played the eight Big 12 teams plus Cincy, Houston, UCF and Memphis every year they would likely have a losing record and their shining star would be gone forever. The Big12 would then be stuck with them. A far off distance to travel to play on a blue rug that is hard to watch a game on.

If they played this years schedule of:

Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Kansas State
West Virginia
Texas Tech
Baylor
Kansas
Cincy
UCF
Houston
Memphis

They would be lucky to go 6-6. It is one thing to play a few good teams plus some cupcakes every year. Playing quality teams most every week takes its toll. Then after a few years of losing seasons their recruiting would fall of and they would sink even lower.

And I have not even mentioned their lack of olympic sports.

(08-25-2021 04:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

UCF can essentially cover both Tampa and Orlando with the amount of alumni in both areas, there’s not really a need to add both.

(08-25-2021 04:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

UCF can essentially cover both Tampa and Orlando with the amount of alumni in both areas, there’s not really a need to add both.

I could see UCF leaving USF behind in a heartbeat and probably prefer it that way.

Multiple sources in the Big 12 told ESPN that the remaining eight schools aren't in a rush to make a move, but they are considering eventually adding teams to make the Big 12 relevant enough to negotiate a lucrative television contract. One source at a Big 12 school told ESPN: "We better all be committed to making this Big 12 -- whatever it looks like -- the best dang conference that we could possibly be."


Link
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ts-end-wee

UCF and USF have only been conference mates since 2013. It’s not like they have a long history together.

(08-25-2021 04:15 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

UCF can essentially cover both Tampa and Orlando with the amount of alumni in both areas, there’s not really a need to add both.

I could see UCF leaving USF behind in a heartbeat and probably prefer it that way.

Well, USF did insist and refuse to join the Big East unless UCF got an invite, right?

(08-25-2021 04:15 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

UCF can essentially cover both Tampa and Orlando with the amount of alumni in both areas, there’s not really a need to add both.

I could see UCF leaving USF behind in a heartbeat and probably prefer it that way.

No doubt. Those two schools aren't tied at the hip at all.

Surprised to see him report this.

It's great to be "pursued" but there is a lot to consider here. There is a major red flag because of the Big12 vs ESPN disputes. UCF receives major sponsorships/donations from Disney World Resorts and joining a conference that doesn't have ESPN as the tv partner may jeopardize that. UCF will likely reach out to outside consultants and take its time before making any decisions.

(08-25-2021 03:03 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Even if the L8 fall apart, UCF will pay the AAC a premium on top of their exit fee to have a "hold" on their current spot. Something in the contract will be worked out, as the schools almost certainly to be left behind in the AAC will jump at any chance for more dollars.

There ain’t gonna be that much more dollars by the time the next contract rolls around.

If, in fact, the Big 12 does expand, UCF should undoubtedly be the No. 1 candidate. If the national media would do their homework, they would know UCF is the second-largest public university in the nation and is cranking out thousands and thousands of graduates every year. Those graduates are inundating the State of Florida, which means a potential Big 12 Network could gain access to millions of cable TV viewers throughout Florida.

This idea that the Big 12 should add Houston or SMU over UCF is just plain uninformed. If the Big 12 started its own network, it already has the entire State of Texas television market (see Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech) locked up. As for the other potential prime candidates for Big 12 expansion such as Memphis and Cincinnati, here's all you need to know: UCF's television market is growing while the markets in Memphis and Cincy are shrinking.

The Big 12 is the only Power 5 conference in the southern part of the United States that doesn't have a footprint in Florida — the third-most populous state and one of the richest recruiting hotbeds in the country. The concept is quite simple: If the Big 12 is going to expand, it should add UCF and USF and a combined Orlando-Tampa TV market that is the fourth-largest in the nation.

If the national media would actually do their homework, they would know UCF is the Big 12's most viable and attractive option.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o...story.html

(08-25-2021 04:16 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Multiple sources in the Big 12 told ESPN that the remaining eight schools aren't in a rush to make a move, but they are considering eventually adding teams to make the Big 12 relevant enough to negotiate a lucrative television contract. One source at a Big 12 school told ESPN: "We better all be committed to making this Big 12 -- whatever it looks like -- the best dang conference that we could possibly be."


Link
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ts-end-wee

I'm more inclined to believe this. While I believe UCF gets into the XII when the dust settles, Chris Torello doesn't have true inside information with the people who matter IMO.

(08-25-2021 04:23 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Surprised to see him report this. Haven't heard anything from the better known insiders.

It's great to be "pursued" but there is a lot to consider here. There is a major red flag because of the Big12 vs ESPN disputes. UCF receives major sponsorships/donations from Disney World Resorts and joining a conference that doesn't have ESPN as the tv partner may jeopardize that. UCF will likely reach out to outside consultants and take its time before making any decisions.

I mean, despite the Big 12/ESPN tiff, the fact remains that ESPN still has 50% of the Big 12 TV rights.

Everyone is going to have a CYA consultant report, but it's going to confirm what everyone here knows (or at least ought to know): you take the Big 12 spot and run. Even if the Big 12 falls apart (and I find that unlikely), the AAC will still take you back just as the MWC took back Boise State and San Diego State the proposed coast-to-coast Big East football conference fell apart.

What would be much worse is turning down a Big 12 spot and then someone else from the AAC leaves, which means that you're worse off in a weaker AAC and you may never have an opportunity to make this type of conference move again. AAC members shouldn't be worried about other Big 12 members leaving, but rather their fellow AAC members leaving and what that will do to that league. It's a classic prisoner's dilemma - unless you completely trust everyone else in the AAC to stay put, you *have* to take the Big 12 spot if you get the invite.

(08-25-2021 04:20 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:15 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 04:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  I still don't see UCF going without USF as well. We'll see I guess.

UCF can essentially cover both Tampa and Orlando with the amount of alumni in both areas, there’s not really a need to add both.

I could see UCF leaving USF behind in a heartbeat and probably prefer it that way.

No doubt. Those two schools aren't tied at the hip at all.

Yes, we've seen USF's quo vadis post here how UCF's success is bad for USF and USF fans should be rooting against them. UCF's administrators could reciprocate quo's feelings.

(08-25-2021 04:28 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  If, in fact, the Big 12 does expand, UCF should undoubtedly be the No. 1 candidate. If the national media would do their homework, they would know UCF is the second-largest public university in the nation and is cranking out thousands and thousands of graduates every year. Those graduates are inundating the State of Florida, which means a potential Big 12 Network could gain access to millions of cable TV viewers throughout Florida.

This idea that the Big 12 should add Houston or SMU over UCF is just plain uninformed. If the Big 12 started its own network, it already has the entire State of Texas television market (see Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech) locked up. As for the other potential prime candidates for Big 12 expansion such as Memphis and Cincinnati, here's all you need to know: UCF's television market is growing while the markets in Memphis and Cincy are shrinking.

The Big 12 is the only Power 5 conference in the southern part of the United States that doesn't have a footprint in Florida — the third-most populous state and one of the richest recruiting hotbeds in the country. The concept is quite simple: If the Big 12 is going to expand, it should add UCF and USF and a combined Orlando-Tampa TV market that is the fourth-largest in the nation.

If the national media would actually do their homework, they would know UCF is the Big 12's most viable and attractive option.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o...story.html

I think that there's a very strong argument for the Big 12 to add UCF, but it will largely be based on national TV value relative to other expansion candidates (which is why Boise State could be in the mix). There won't ever be a Big 12 Network at this point.

From a television market perspective, Memphis trails seven other markets from which prospective candidates attract viewers. According to Nielsen, Memphis is the nation’s 50th-ranked market with about 650,000 TV homes. Houston, at No. 10 with 2.3 million TV homes, is first among the candidates, followed by Tampa-St. Petersburg (South Florida) at No. 11, Denver (Colorado State) at 17, Orlando (Central Florida) , Salt Lake City (BYU) at No. 34 and Cincinnati (Cincinnati) at 36.

So based off of pure TV Market teams would be ranked as the following:

1.Houston
2.USF
3.Colorado State
4.UCF
5. BYU
6. Cincinnati
7. Memphis

Does anyone think the four invites will be Houston, USF, Colorado State, and UCF? (why does this feel like 2016 all over again)


link
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s.../90571860/

(08-25-2021 04:38 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  From a television market perspective, Memphis trails seven other markets from which prospective candidates attract viewers. According to Nielsen, Memphis is the nation’s 50th-ranked market with about 650,000 TV homes. Houston, at No. 10 with 2.3 million TV homes, is first among the candidates, followed by Tampa-St. Petersburg (South Florida) at No. 11, Denver (Colorado State) at 17, Orlando (Central Florida) , Salt Lake City (BYU) at No. 34 and Cincinnati (Cincinnati) at 36.

So based off of pure TV Market teams would be ranked as the following:

1.Houston
2.USF
3.Colorado State
4.UCF
5. BYU
6. Cincinnati
7. Memphis

Does anyone think the four invites will be Houston, USF, Colorado State, and UCF? (why does this feel like 2016 all over again)


link
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s.../90571860/

Yes but you have to actually have a foothold in your market for it to carry weight. Tampa hasn’t embraced usf the way Orlando has embraced UCF. In fact, Tampa seems to have embraced UCF more than usf.