(08-24-2021 08:37 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple,
The picture isn't the problem and you know it. You used a racist epithet directed at white people. That is a violation of the forum's acceptable use policy. Unless you're planning to use the "that's our word" defense next, this conversation is over. My agenda is to root for the Dukes. Please observe the community standards established for the board.

No, I don' know it. You accused me of "manipulating an image." YOU said that, I didn't! Now you want to change your story, saying "the picture isn't the problem and you know it."

How the hell would I know that? That's what YOU said! Now you are saying it wasn't the picture at all, but the fact that I used the word "cracker," in humor, I might add.

Then you said I used a "racist epithet" directed at a race I happen to belong to.

You are one confusing dude.... and your censorship sucks, too!

(08-24-2021 04:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:00 PM)91Alum Wrote:  More importantly, we need to ask ourselves what the end game is for all this. What possible good comes from pitting people against each other who otherwise get along just fine? And most do get along just fine despite these efforts to drive wedges.

There is a goal to all this. I don't know what it is, but "othering" entire classes of people based on junk science (or religion) has never been a first step for anything positive.

Has anyone heard any rumors coming out of today's impromptu BOV meeting? Can only hope significant changes are coming.

I don't understand the bold. What is "all this" and how does it pit people against each other?

If you don't already understand that, then it wouldn't do a damned bit of good explaining it to you. You wouldn't understand it then, either.

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:00 PM)91Alum Wrote:  More importantly, we need to ask ourselves what the end game is for all this. What possible good comes from pitting people against each other who otherwise get along just fine? And most do get along just fine despite these efforts to drive wedges.

There is a goal to all this. I don't know what it is, but "othering" entire classes of people based on junk science (or religion) has never been a first step for anything positive.

Has anyone heard any rumors coming out of today's impromptu BOV meeting? Can only hope significant changes are coming.

I don't understand the bold. What is "all this" and how does it pit people against each other?

If you don't already understand that, then it wouldn't do a damned bit of good explaining it to you. You wouldn't understand it then, either.

Yeah you are right cause I'm confused how you understand "all this" so well.

(08-24-2021 05:17 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:37 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple,
The picture isn't the problem and you know it. You used a racist epithet directed at white people. That is a violation of the forum's acceptable use policy. Unless you're planning to use the "that's our word" defense next, this conversation is over. My agenda is to root for the Dukes. Please observe the community standards established for the board.

No, I don' know it. You accused me of "manipulating an image." YOU said that, I didn't! Now you want to change your story, saying "the picture isn't the problem and you know it."

How the hell would I know that? That's what YOU said! Now you are saying it wasn't the picture at all, but the fact that I used the word "cracker," in humor, I might add.

Then you said I used a "racist epithet" directed at a race I happen to belong to.

You are one confusing dude.... and your censorship sucks, too!

Is it censorship when you delete your own public comments on COVID because they were proved to be incorrect?

(08-24-2021 05:26 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:00 PM)91Alum Wrote:  More importantly, we need to ask ourselves what the end game is for all this. What possible good comes from pitting people against each other who otherwise get along just fine? And most do get along just fine despite these efforts to drive wedges.

There is a goal to all this. I don't know what it is, but "othering" entire classes of people based on junk science (or religion) has never been a first step for anything positive.

Has anyone heard any rumors coming out of today's impromptu BOV meeting? Can only hope significant changes are coming.

I don't understand the bold. What is "all this" and how does it pit people against each other?

If you don't already understand that, then it wouldn't do a damned bit of good explaining it to you. You wouldn't understand it then, either.

Yeah you are right cause I'm confused how you understand "all this" so well.

I understand exactly what 91 means.

Alger is quoted as saying "this is just the beginning".

Alger has spent the last 9 years creating and filling faculty positions with divisive, hateful, extreme leftists, with political agendas.

This is very sad for JMU.

Name those divisive, extreme leftists. Surely naming & shaming is in order! Have the courage to do the right thing, Dukeman!

(08-24-2021 07:56 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Name those divisive, extreme leftists. Surely naming & shaming is in order! Have the courage to do the right thing, Dukeman!

It is no secret, Hyper. Across America, our colleges are filled with liberals in faculty and admin positions. It is rare to find a conservative. A little balance and a lot less indoctrination would be nice.

(08-24-2021 08:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 07:56 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Name those divisive, extreme leftists. Surely naming & shaming is in order! Have the courage to do the right thing, Dukeman!

It is no secret, Hyper. Across America, our colleges are filled with liberals in faculty and admin positions. It is rare to find a conservative. A little balance and a lot less indoctrination would be nice.

Sure, but I mostly care specifically about my alma mater & Dukeman has info that it is under attack!

(08-24-2021 08:03 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 07:56 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Name those divisive, extreme leftists. Surely naming & shaming is in order! Have the courage to do the right thing, Dukeman!

It is no secret, Hyper. Across America, our colleges are filled with liberals in faculty and admin positions. It is rare to find a conservative. A little balance and a lot less indoctrination would be nice.

Sure, but I mostly care specifically about my alma mater & Dukeman has info that it is under attack!

JMU is more inclusive than it's ever been, but that doesn't jive with Dukeman's vision of what JMU should be. I would like him to name ONE divisive hateful faculty member that Alger has hired. He can't.

Hey Dukeman - here's a headline for you: applications to JMU are at an all-time high. How can it be such a terrible place if teenagers are flocking to droves to get in?

(08-24-2021 05:17 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:37 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple,
The picture isn't the problem and you know it. You used a racist epithet directed at white people. That is a violation of the forum's acceptable use policy. Unless you're planning to use the "that's our word" defense next, this conversation is over. My agenda is to root for the Dukes. Please observe the community standards established for the board.

No, I don' know it. You accused me of "manipulating an image." YOU said that, I didn't! Now you want to change your story, saying "the picture isn't the problem and you know it."

How the hell would I know that? That's what YOU said! Now you are saying it wasn't the picture at all, but the fact that I used the word "cracker," in humor, I might add.

Then you said I used a "racist epithet" directed at a race I happen to belong to.

You are one confusing dude.... and your censorship sucks, too!

Better recheck your reading comprehension hoss. I did not say that you manipulated an image to fit your narrative. I was asserting that Fox News apparently did. The slides that chart oppressors and oppressed were apparently not the highlight of the training, but Fox made sure they were the lead story.

Thanks for proving my point about using the "that's our word" defense. That doesn't make it right.

Would need some of that stuff translated. Guess I’m not woke.

(08-24-2021 08:39 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:17 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:37 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple,
The picture isn't the problem and you know it. You used a racist epithet directed at white people. That is a violation of the forum's acceptable use policy. Unless you're planning to use the "that's our word" defense next, this conversation is over. My agenda is to root for the Dukes. Please observe the community standards established for the board.

No, I don' know it. You accused me of "manipulating an image." YOU said that, I didn't! Now you want to change your story, saying "the picture isn't the problem and you know it."

How the hell would I know that? That's what YOU said! Now you are saying it wasn't the picture at all, but the fact that I used the word "cracker," in humor, I might add.

Then you said I used a "racist epithet" directed at a race I happen to belong to.

You are one confusing dude.... and your censorship sucks, too!

Better recheck your reading comprehension hoss. I did not say that you manipulated an image to fit your narrative.

You accused me of "manipulating an image." Note the quotation marks. That quote belongs to YOU, hoss!

(08-24-2021 03:03 PM)Bill Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 08:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 08:27 AM)Bill Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 07:59 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Is it really national news if it's only reported by one network? I too would like to see the training video. If one report on Fox makes anybody "cancel their donations" that's a shame. Until I have seen the material, the Fox headline is just a click-bate link as much as a "you won't believe what happened next" article that comes up from buzzfeed/etc.

History fact: white/Christian/male/straight have exerted power/privilege over marginalized demographics more often than the other way around. If you can't grapple with this fact then nobody can help you. Understanding history is how we learn and understand how to prevent history from happening again.

One network? click-bait? Fox News, Yahoo News, the Daily Mail (UK), Christian News, National Review, Breitbart, Newsmax and I'm sure some others all ran their own articles on it and reddit, google news, twitter, gab, and many other aggregators helped it spread quickly.

"you're sure" others ran the story, or you are guessing others ran the story? Can you provide their links? I haven't seen it on any other outlets.

Have you looked? I'm using the same Internet you are:

https://news.yahoo.com/james-madison-uni...12120.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ssors.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coll...rs-report/

https://christiannewsnow.com/james-madis...ppressors/

https://www.newsmax.com/us/privilege-whi...d/1033084/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/08/2...ppressors/

I had not looked, no. Thanks for sharing. Looks like most are re-shares of the fox story. I still would like to see this training video. The DailyMail link went into more detail about the training than Fox did.

I think this was a diversity & inclusion training intended to point out biases and identify privilege that Fox grabbed hold of and weaponized it as CRT. I don't think it actually had anything to do with CRT. There are two sides to every story, and JMU has yet to actually tell their side. I suppose you could say they are monitoring the situation?

(08-24-2021 09:07 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:39 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:17 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 08:37 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple,
The picture isn't the problem and you know it. You used a racist epithet directed at white people. That is a violation of the forum's acceptable use policy. Unless you're planning to use the "that's our word" defense next, this conversation is over. My agenda is to root for the Dukes. Please observe the community standards established for the board.

No, I don' know it. You accused me of "manipulating an image." YOU said that, I didn't! Now you want to change your story, saying "the picture isn't the problem and you know it."

How the hell would I know that? That's what YOU said! Now you are saying it wasn't the picture at all, but the fact that I used the word "cracker," in humor, I might add.

Then you said I used a "racist epithet" directed at a race I happen to belong to.

You are one confusing dude.... and your censorship sucks, too!

Better recheck your reading comprehension hoss. I did not say that you manipulated an image to fit your narrative.

You accused me of "manipulating an image." Note the quotation marks. That quote belongs to YOU, hoss!

No I did not. Please re-read the post.

(08-24-2021 09:07 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Guess I’m not woke.

Nah, you’re just not interested in making any attempt whatsoever to understand and/or empathize with people that are different than you.

It’s not a foreign language. Use Google like a 6 year old can and DO SOME LEARNINS.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/626938706900...show-clips

(08-25-2021 11:19 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  https://video.foxnews.com/v/626938706900...show-clips

Odd choice by Fox To pull in a College Republicans rep. I mean this was JMU's statement on the group just a year ago “My investigation revealed many instances of harassment and bullying present in College Republicans that went unchecked. These instances were perpetrated by a number of individuals, in a number of circumstances, with no action taken on Rosemary’s behalf even when it was reported to leadership … This directly indicates a pervasive and toxic culture within the organization.”

Also, if a white woman feels out of place at JMU (as she says is happening), that woman isn't going to feel welcomed anywhere.

(08-24-2021 05:26 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:00 PM)91Alum Wrote:  More importantly, we need to ask ourselves what the end game is for all this. What possible good comes from pitting people against each other who otherwise get along just fine? And most do get along just fine despite these efforts to drive wedges.

There is a goal to all this. I don't know what it is, but "othering" entire classes of people based on junk science (or religion) has never been a first step for anything positive.

Has anyone heard any rumors coming out of today's impromptu BOV meeting? Can only hope significant changes are coming.

I don't understand the bold. What is "all this" and how does it pit people against each other?

If you don't already understand that, then it wouldn't do a damned bit of good explaining it to you. You wouldn't understand it then, either.

Yeah you are right cause I'm confused how you understand "all this" so well.

Sorry in advance for the lengthy response. Want to be sure I make myself clear. I thought it was pretty straightforward, but I'll take your question as being in good faith and try to explain what I meant a bit more clearly. This training video, and the mindset behind it, is just the most recent (and direct for me, being JMU) example of a much larger effort nationwide to press this idea of systemic racism, institutional racism and Critical Race Theory - prioritizing victimhood above all else and pinning blame on an entire race of people. It's going on (as others note here) to varying degrees across most college campuses and (sadly) even in our K-12 schools as well. This video is by no means the beginning or end of this larger push. That is the "all this".

My second point/question is a simple one: what good can this possibly do, and why are people on the left pressing it so hard and so doggedly? In my daily life, a come across a wide variety of very diverse people and I [u]never[/u] have anything even approaching a negative interaction. But the effort to drive these wedges in society has a purpose. What is it?

The left have become masters of framing wording - abortion is "choice", Antifa(cists) routinely beat the cr*p out of people they disagree with (including journalists), attack police and public buildings and generally riot, but the other side are the fascists apparently. Cities getting burned to the ground by BLM are "mostly peaceful protests". A bunch of unarmed whackos tresspassing the Capitol is "insurrection". It goes on and on - the left are masters of controlling the language, and therefore (to some extent) the narrative.

I think much of this CRT / oppressor thing employs much of the same tactic. Administrators and Humanities "academics" with too much time on their hands invent this stuff, make up words and labels, apply them to whomever they agree or disagree with on any given day, and move on to the next one. Again - I just don't understand the "why". I can guarantee you that any white person who is not already self-loathing is unswayed by it (as you see here). It's just divisive "othering" of people based on the race, color, creed, sex, or national origin - something I thought was frowned upon by people not too long ago.

Anyway, hope that makes things clearer and if anyone can explain what good this does, I'm all ears (eyes actually).

(08-25-2021 02:33 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:26 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:00 PM)91Alum Wrote:  More importantly, we need to ask ourselves what the end game is for all this. What possible good comes from pitting people against each other who otherwise get along just fine? And most do get along just fine despite these efforts to drive wedges.

There is a goal to all this. I don't know what it is, but "othering" entire classes of people based on junk science (or religion) has never been a first step for anything positive.

Has anyone heard any rumors coming out of today's impromptu BOV meeting? Can only hope significant changes are coming.

I don't understand the bold. What is "all this" and how does it pit people against each other?

If you don't already understand that, then it wouldn't do a damned bit of good explaining it to you. You wouldn't understand it then, either.

Yeah you are right cause I'm confused how you understand "all this" so well.

Sorry in advance for the lengthy response. Want to be sure I make myself clear. I thought it was pretty straightforward, but I'll take your question as being in good faith and try to explain what I meant a bit more clearly. This training video, and the mindset behind it, is just the most recent (and direct for me, being JMU) example of a much larger effort nationwide to press this idea of systemic racism, institutional racism and Critical Race Theory - prioritizing victimhood above all else and pinning blame on an entire race of people. It's going on (as others note here) to varying degrees across most college campuses and (sadly) even in our K-12 schools as well. This video is by no means the beginning or end of this larger push. That is the "all this".

My second point/question is a simple one: what good can this possibly do, and why are people on the left pressing it so hard and so doggedly? In my daily life, a come across a wide variety of very diverse people and I [u]never[/u] have anything even approaching a negative interaction. But the effort to drive these wedges in society has a purpose. What is it?

The left have become masters of framing wording - abortion is "choice", Antifa(cists) routinely beat the cr*p out of people they disagree with (including journalists), attack police and public buildings and generally riot, but the other side are the fascists apparently. Cities getting burned to the ground by BLM are "mostly peaceful protests". A bunch of unarmed whackos tresspassing the Capitol is "insurrection". It goes on and on - the left are masters of controlling the language, and therefore (to some extent) the narrative.

I think much of this CRT / oppressor thing employs much of the same tactic. Administrators and Humanities "academics" with too much time on their hands invent this stuff, make up words and labels, apply them to whomever they agree or disagree with on any given day, and move on to the next one. Again - I just don't understand the "why". I can guarantee you that any white person who is not already self-loathing is unswayed by it (as you see here). It's just divisive "othering" of people based on the race, color, creed, sex, or national origin - something I thought was frowned upon by people not too long ago.

Anyway, hope that makes things clearer and if anyone can explain what good this does, I'm all ears (eyes actually).

I think that pretty much nailed it.