https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

P4, finally!

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Arti...ly+created

"...Before the Texas regents voted, UT president Jay Hartzell addressed the regents board and said the landscape of college athletics is "changing rapidly."

"This is evidenced by a critical Supreme Court decision, and landmark legislation from several states across the country," Hartzell said. "Issues such as name, image and likeness, declining cable television subscriptions, college football playoff expansion, the transfer portal, and the impact of this global pandemic on sports, just to name a few, have proved that a transformation in collegiate athletics is happening all around us.

"While our university has enjoyed over 25 years in the Big 12 Conference, we recognize that we must be willing to make changes with our eyes on the future. In a world of uncertainty and change. It is incumbent upon us as leaders, to protect and enhance our athletic program, and university.

"In order to do so, we looked at conferences across the country, and concluded that the SEC is the best fit for our future. The reasons are many. The stability and strength of the league, and its leadership, the level of visibility for our student-athletes, some of the toughest athletic competition and exciting stadiums that are similar in capacity and attendance to ours.

"It should also be noted that this move, allows us to protect and rekindle key rivalries, including the chance to regularly compete with the University of Oklahoma University of Arkansas and Texas A&M University....""

Now let the lawyering begin.

The varying emotions and responses from many aside, sincere kudos are in order to the administrators, executives and leaders that organized this deal behind the scenes over the past several months - mostly in secret and without any leaks. Very impressive how relatively quickly this whole process came together - really in the past week.

After 2009-2013, I think many more TV executives and school administrators recognized the importance of keeping a lid any talks - due to public response from a variety of stakeholders. It's how it should be done, IMO. Heck, even the UConn move was made really quickly - despite articles here and there over the previous years arguing in support of them returning to the Big East.

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

From the ESPN article:

"...Harroz said it became clear to the OU administration that the Big 12 was "last in line" when it came to media rights negotiations. He noted the 11 a.m. kickoff for conference football games.

"It translates to disadvantages in recruiting of top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes and a detriment to the fan experience," he said...."

(07-30-2021 11:45 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

P4, finally!

I'm not sure. I think the bright line that separated the P5 from the G5 has been blurred.

The new CFP will eliminate Contract Bowls, which have been been one bright line division with G5.

The P5 conferences have all received equal base distributions from the CFP of $50+ million per year, while the G5 has shared a separate pool of around $90 million. The distribution formula for the new CFP has yet to be negotiated. However, as proposed, 6 conference champions will be admitted, 4 of which will receive first round byes.

In terms of TV money, the SEC and B1G had already separated themselves from the other P5 conferences. This move will leave the SEC and B1G in one group, the ACC and P12 in the next group, and the B12 likely sitting somewhere below that but above the AAC and MWC.

Finally, the B12 retains its autonomous designation within the NCAA, which neither the AAC or MWC enjoy. I'm not certain what the value of that is, but it has been a distinction.

I guess my view is that we've moved from a clear separation between P5 and G5 to a situation where there will be many gradations.

“I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

(07-30-2021 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

From the ESPN article:

"...Harroz said it became clear to the OU administration that the Big 12 was "last in line" when it came to media rights negotiations. He noted the 11 a.m. kickoff for conference football games.

"It translates to disadvantages in recruiting of top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes and a detriment to the fan experience," he said...."

That was no doubt a sore spot for OU. I'm not sure how many 11am games they got stuck with, but it sounded like they were the best team available to continuously shove in that spot.

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

They may be waiting for the remaining eight members to vote to add two replacement schools. At that point they can say their departure won’t diminish the conference’s existing TV deal over its remaining life and won’t adversely affect the conference’s other contractual arrangements or autonomy status, and can propose that they be allowed to leave early in exchange for paying exit fees only.

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

The remaining Big 12 members will get to the point where they want an earlier resolution, just as UT and OU will want to move on before 2025. If the remaining members are all staying together, they will want to add new members and negotiate TV deals, sponsorships, etc. If any of them has the chance to make a conference move they want to make, it might be that they have to move before 2025 or the opportunity will vanish.

Maybe the lawyers need to first get everyone to agree that just negotiating about an earlier transition date doesn't amount to a violation that allows one side to demand an extra eleventy jillion dollars. Someone will eventually come up with a solution where the remaining members get a bunch of money and everyone gets on with their new normal sooner rather than later. Probably not immediately, and maybe the gap between what the remaining members want and the departing members want to pay turns out to be too large, but they will try.

(07-30-2021 12:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

They may be waiting for the remaining eight members to vote to add two replacement schools. At that point they can say their departure won’t diminish the conference’s existing TV deal over its remaining life and won’t adversely affect the conference’s other contractual arrangements or autonomy status, and can propose that they be allowed to leave early in exchange for paying exit fees only.

So could the big 12 put off voting on the replacement schools?

(07-30-2021 12:29 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

They may be waiting for the remaining eight members to vote to add two replacement schools. At that point they can say their departure won’t diminish the conference’s existing TV deal over its remaining life and won’t adversely affect the conference’s other contractual arrangements or autonomy status, and can propose that they be allowed to leave early in exchange for paying exit fees only.

So could the big 12 put off voting on the replacement schools?

I think they could, but I don’t think they will. The short-term cost of splitting conference income 12 ways instead of 10 (assuming they only add two for now) can be somewhat mitigated by only paying partial shares to the replacements until UT and OU leave. And by being onboarded early the replacements will have an opportunity to upgrade their recruiting and raise their competitive performance level before the bidding for the next TV contract begins.

(07-30-2021 12:47 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:29 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

They may be waiting for the remaining eight members to vote to add two replacement schools. At that point they can say their departure won’t diminish the conference’s existing TV deal over its remaining life and won’t adversely affect the conference’s other contractual arrangements or autonomy status, and can propose that they be allowed to leave early in exchange for paying exit fees only.

So could the big 12 put off voting on the replacement schools?

I think they could, but I don’t think they will. The short-term cost of splitting conference income 12 ways instead of 10 (assuming they only add two for now) can be somewhat mitigated by only paying partial shares to the replacements until UT and OU leave. And by being onboarded early the replacements will have an opportunity to upgrade their recruiting and raise their competitive performance level before the bidding for the next TV contract begins.

In addition, right now their additions are obvious.

It's entirely possible that the ACC could add WVU and UC, weakening the conference and taking an expansion option off the table.

I doubt the ACC does that right now, but the landscape is fast-moving. Who knows what the media landscape will look like in 2 years?

The Big 12 should strike now while they're still the clear #1 option for UC, Houston, etc.

(07-30-2021 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

From the ESPN article:

"...Harroz said it became clear to the OU administration that the Big 12 was "last in line" when it came to media rights negotiations. He noted the 11 a.m. kickoff for conference football games.

"It translates to disadvantages in recruiting of top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes and a detriment to the fan experience," he said...."

That was no doubt a sore spot for OU. I'm not sure how many 11am games they got stuck with, but it sounded like they were the best team available to continuously shove in that spot.

https://twitter.com/SethOliveras/status/...9826660352

Since 2012, OU has played 41 of 121 games at 11:00 or 11:30 am Central time. That is 33.9% of games.

Other CT teams and their early kickoffs include:

Nebraska - 36
Texas - 31
Oklahoma State - 30
Arkansas - 29
Alabama - 13
LSU - 8

11 am is a prime window for Fox and for ESPN/ABC's Big 12 coverage. In the SEC, the marquee matchups are later in the day in the CBS 2:30 window or in the ESPN night games.

(07-30-2021 02:27 PM)johnintx Wrote:  11 am is a prime window for Fox and for ESPN/ABC's Big 12 coverage. In the SEC, the marquee matchups are later in the day in the CBS 2:30 window or in the ESPN night games.

ESPN/ABC is going to have a lot of SEC football content -- 8 games on any Saturday when all 16 teams are playing a conference game, maybe more on Saturdays that have non-con games. They're not going to put 8 SEC games in the two middle time slots, and they're never going to put an SEC home game in the west coast prime time slot. So there will probably be at least two games every Saturday in the early time slot at noon ET/11 am CT. And, 11 of the SEC-16 teams are in the central time zone, so there will be quite a few games at 11 am local time.

(07-30-2021 02:27 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tation-sec

It's done.

From the ESPN article:

"...Harroz said it became clear to the OU administration that the Big 12 was "last in line" when it came to media rights negotiations. He noted the 11 a.m. kickoff for conference football games.

"It translates to disadvantages in recruiting of top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes and a detriment to the fan experience," he said...."

That was no doubt a sore spot for OU. I'm not sure how many 11am games they got stuck with, but it sounded like they were the best team available to continuously shove in that spot.

https://twitter.com/SethOliveras/status/...9826660352

Since 2012, OU has played 41 of 121 games at 11:00 or 11:30 am Central time. That is 33.9% of games.

Other CT teams and their early kickoffs include:

Nebraska - 36
Texas - 31
Oklahoma State - 30
Arkansas - 29
Alabama - 13
LSU - 8

11 am is a prime window for Fox and for ESPN/ABC's Big 12 coverage. In the SEC, the marquee matchups are later in the day in the CBS 2:30 window or in the ESPN night games.

FOX Big Noon is to my knowledge only two seasons old. Last year was of course COVID-19. In 2019, a Big 10 team hosted the Big Nooner 11 times, with Ohio State playing in six Big Nooners and hosting three of them. By contrast, only three Big 12 games were Big Nooners, all three involved Oklahoma, including the Red River Rivalry. In 2021, both Ohio State and Oklahoma are scheduled for a Big Nooner in September (Oklahoma's is at Nebraska which is under the Big Ten contract). The Red River Rivalry is also almost always played at noon ET even if it is not on FOX so that will also raise Oklahoma's (and Texas's) 11am CT total.

(07-30-2021 03:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  FOX Big Noon is to my knowledge only two seasons old. Last year was of course COVID-19. In 2019, a Big 10 team hosted the Big Nooner 11 times, with Ohio State playing in six Big Nooners and hosting three of them. By contrast, only three Big 12 games were Big Nooners, all three involved Oklahoma, including the Red River Rivalry. In 2021, both Ohio State and Oklahoma are scheduled for a Big Nooner in September (Oklahoma's is at Nebraska which is under the Big Ten contract). The Red River Rivalry is also almost always played at noon ET even if it is not on FOX so that will also raise Oklahoma's (and Texas's) 11am CT total.

Yes, Fox Big Noon Saturday is only a couple of years old. And yes, Ohio State plays in it a lot. Fox has made 12:00 its primary window. So, they're going to have high-profile teams playing in it as much as possible. That's how OU ended up on it three times in a season.

12:00 is still early for fans attending the game. And, NFL games kick off at 12:00 CT. But, there's a big difference between an ET game at noon and a CT game at 11:00, especially when you're drawing fans from throughout the state and beyond. A significant portion of OU season ticket holders live outside the OKC metro area. You wouldn't think an hour makes a difference, but it does, especially when it's a morning game.

The OU-Nebraska game is in Norman this year, and was selected by Fox under the Big 12 contract. It was scheduled as the 50th anniversary of the 1971 Game of the Century. OU wanted to schedule events around the game, including recruiting visits. Once the game was moved to 11 am for Fox, OU administration put out a statement apologizing to the fans, as fans have complained for years about 11:00 kickoffs, and the Nebraska game was important to the administration. OU also complained to the conference, by which Bob Bowlsby responded: "you signed the contract". According to reports, it was the final straw for the OU administration regarding the Big 12. It turns out OU was in secret negotiations with the SEC at the time. This confirmed to OU administrators that it was the correct move.

The OU-Texas game is always a day game. Neither team wishes to play a night game in Fair Park. In recent years, it has been an 11:00 game. For many years, it was a 2:30 game. Once it becomes the prime SEC game, it should move back to 2:30 most years.

Regardless, OU played 41 11:00-11:30 games in a ten year period. Alabama only played 11. LSU played 8. OU will have to play some 11:00 games, especially against non-marquee opponents. That's understandable. But surely it won't be a third of its schedule.

Nothing screams SEC like OU vs Ole Miss on an October afternoon…

What a joke. All things considered, I hope they go with three protected rivals and rotate the rest of the opponents. I don’t think East vs West is the way to play it.

(07-30-2021 02:16 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:47 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:29 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 12:16 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  “I want to reiterate we will be in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. 2025 is our intention,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said at the regents meeting.

UT and OU and the SEC are definitely playing by the book and not making the first move for an early exit (or saying anything that could be construed as a first move). But unless the league folds, at some point seems like OU/UT will have to let their true timeline intentions known, as I can't see why the Big 12 would start an early clock.

They may be waiting for the remaining eight members to vote to add two replacement schools. At that point they can say their departure won’t diminish the conference’s existing TV deal over its remaining life and won’t adversely affect the conference’s other contractual arrangements or autonomy status, and can propose that they be allowed to leave early in exchange for paying exit fees only.

So could the big 12 put off voting on the replacement schools?

I think they could, but I don’t think they will. The short-term cost of splitting conference income 12 ways instead of 10 (assuming they only add two for now) can be somewhat mitigated by only paying partial shares to the replacements until UT and OU leave. And by being onboarded early the replacements will have an opportunity to upgrade their recruiting and raise their competitive performance level before the bidding for the next TV contract begins.

In addition, right now their additions are obvious.

It's entirely possible that the ACC could add WVU and UC, weakening the conference and taking an expansion option off the table.

I doubt the ACC does that right now, but the landscape is fast-moving. Who knows what the media landscape will look like in 2 years?

The Big 12 should strike now while they're still the clear #1 option for UC, Houston, etc.

I can see that, but I can also see the presidents saying, "how much do we lose out on making a move early, again?"