(07-25-2021 09:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  A little history for those posters and lurkers who might not know:

C-USA History Lesson

And, an example of life in D-III: SAA

Here's where we're more likely to end up:
DIII-SCAC
that's
St. Thomas / Texas Lutheran / Schreiner (WTH is that?) / Southwestern / Trinity / Centenary / U of Dallas / UT-Austin (duh? I think you mean Austin College) / Colorado College / Rice*

or, perhaps we can beg our way into here:
DIII-ASC
that's
Howard Payne / Ozarks / McMurray / UT Dallas / Concordia / Belhaven / Hardin-Simmons / Sul Ross State / LeTourneau / East Texas Baptist / Mary Hardin-Baylor / Rice*

So, we go from once having been associated with these (Former SWC) schools:
Arkansas (1915–1991)
Baylor (1915–1996)
Houston (1972–1996)
Oklahoma (1915–1919)
Oklahoma A&M (1915–1925)
Phillips (1920)
Rice (1915–1917 provisional, 1918–1996)
SMU (1918–1996)
Southwestern (1915–1916)
Texas (1915–1996)
Texas A&M (1915–1996)
TCU (1923–1996)
Texas Tech (1956–1996)

to the wonders of a school called Schreiner.

Oh, also came across the obscure fact that VCU was at one time a member of the old Metro Conference...which one day would merge with the Great Midwest Conference to form...C-USA.

Yupper...take a good look at those schools and ask yourself: "When you applied to Rice, which grouping of schools did you expect your degree to be associated with afterwards?" I sure never would have applied to Rice if I had known that we'd one day work our way down to become associated with some school called Schreiner. Is that the folks who make the beer? Nope, that'd be Shiner, which would at least be more palatable.

Well, Schreiner has their own on-campus beer garden, the Trailhead.

(07-25-2021 10:32 PM)ausowl Wrote:  If Tulane, SMU, Tulsa don't play ball, then it'll be DIII.

Not my preferred outcome, but can't imagine it will be worse for the Rice brand than CUSA. MIT, U of Chicago, Emory seem to muddle through.

Didn't PeeWee Herman in the classic film, PeeWee's Big Adventure, say something like, "It's not enough to wish for something, you have to make it happen."

What has Rice ever done to "make it happen"?

(07-26-2021 03:15 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  What has Rice ever done to "make it happen"?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

(07-26-2021 03:12 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  A little history for those posters and lurkers who might not know:

C-USA History Lesson

And, an example of life in D-III: SAA

Here's where we're more likely to end up:
DIII-SCAC
that's
St. Thomas / Texas Lutheran / Schreiner (WTH is that?) / Southwestern / Trinity / Centenary / U of Dallas / UT-Austin (duh? I think you mean Austin College) / Colorado College / Rice*

or, perhaps we can beg our way into here:
DIII-ASC
that's
Howard Payne / Ozarks / McMurray / UT Dallas / Concordia / Belhaven / Hardin-Simmons / Sul Ross State / LeTourneau / East Texas Baptist / Mary Hardin-Baylor / Rice*

So, we go from once having been associated with these (Former SWC) schools:
Arkansas (1915–1991)
Baylor (1915–1996)
Houston (1972–1996)
Oklahoma (1915–1919)
Oklahoma A&M (1915–1925)
Phillips (1920)
Rice (1915–1917 provisional, 1918–1996)
SMU (1918–1996)
Southwestern (1915–1916)
Texas (1915–1996)
Texas A&M (1915–1996)
TCU (1923–1996)
Texas Tech (1956–1996)

to the wonders of a school called Schreiner.

Oh, also came across the obscure fact that VCU was at one time a member of the old Metro Conference...which one day would merge with the Great Midwest Conference to form...C-USA.

Yupper...take a good look at those schools and ask yourself: "When you applied to Rice, which grouping of schools did you expect your degree to be associated with afterwards?" I sure never would have applied to Rice if I had known that we'd one day work our way down to become associated with some school called Schreiner. Is that the folks who make the beer? Nope, that'd be Shiner, which would at least be more palatable.

Well, Schreiner has their own on-campus beer garden, the Trailhead.

My father was born there while my grandfather was teaching and coaching tennis post WW2. I think it had a military bent at that point and maybe even junior high and HS. I was also the Institute back then. But, it's not a well known commodity even in my nearby town.

(07-26-2021 08:10 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  My father was born there while my grandfather was teaching and coaching tennis post WW2. I think it had a military bent at that point and maybe even junior high and HS. I was also the Institute back then. But, it's not a well known commodity even in my nearby town.

Hutch, you are correct. I'm not sure about the junior high, but it was definitely a military HS and juco. Ray Berry went there for a year before transferring to SMU, and before they dropped football

(07-26-2021 08:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 08:10 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  My father was born there while my grandfather was teaching and coaching tennis post WW2. I think it had a military bent at that point and maybe even junior high and HS. I was also the Institute back then. But, it's not a well known commodity even in my nearby town.

Hutch, you are correct. I'm not sure about the junior high, but it was definitely a military HS and juco. Ray Berry went there for a year before transferring to SMU, and before they dropped football

My grandfather was around that year and knew Ray. We would go see him give guest sermon's during the off-season at a church in RI when he coached the Pats.

(07-26-2021 06:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 03:15 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  What has Rice ever done to "make it happen"?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

We have a winner in the clubhouse.

Here’s the statement and the story on #Texas and #OU notifying #Big12 they won’t renew grant of rights in #Big12. https://247sports.com/college/texas/Arti...168282426/

link: https://twitter.com/chipbrown247/status/...83297?s=21

Texas and Oklahoma have notified Big 12 they won't renew grant of rights

Quote:Texas and Oklahoma, founding members of the Big 12 Conference, sent notification to league officials Monday morning that the schools don’t plan to renew their grant of rights in the Big 12 when those rights expire in 2025, a high-ranking source close to the situation told Horns247.com.

Monday’s notification is the first step toward Texas and Oklahoma formally expressing interest in joining the Southeastern Conference and then being considered for admission into the SEC, the source said....

....Monday’s notification by Texas and Oklahoma to the Big 12 is also the first formal indication that college athletics is about to undergo seismic change in terms of its structure.

I'm seeing some articles now about city officials in Waco and Lubbock complaining how much their cities will suffer. This article talks about how Lubbock in particular is fighting back and will wage some political battles to stop the defections.

Good luck with that - I don't recall many folks feeling sorry for Houston and Dallas 25 years ago when the SWC broke up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/university-te...00169.html

Lots of posters on BaylorFans and KillerFrogs begging for a "Magnolia League" if they can't keep P5 status.

Kind of hilarious given the (athletic) elitism that many Baylor and TCU fans display toward Rice, SMU, etc...

But if it happened (I think anyone who tells you they know what happens to the remaining 8 Big 12 teams is lying), it would be a net positive for Rice.

(07-26-2021 10:03 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Lots of posters on BaylorFans and KillerFrogs begging for a "Magnolia League" if they can't keep P5 status.

Kind of hilarious given the (athletic) elitism that many Baylor and TCU fans display toward Rice, SMU, etc...

But if it happened (I think anyone who tells you they know what happens to the remaining 8 Big 12 teams is lying), it would be a net positive for Rice.

That is ironic, but a Magnolia League would be best for us.

I posted above that we may well be saved by others through no doing of our own. That is sad and good at the same time. I guess the winds occasionally can blow you somewhere good. Be nice if we at least set a better mainsail once in a while.

This isn't a good look for a P5 commissioner:

Quote:(BigXII Commissioner Bob) Bowlsby was quoted at Big 12 Media Days earlier this month as saying, "A lot of the motivation for realignment is no longer there. Is that to say it couldn’t happen? No, it could possibly happen for other reasons. But it doesn't appear to me that the motivation is there at this point in time. Not to say it couldn't happen, but it's not one of the things that keep me up at night.”

Womder how he's been sleeping this past week?

Sources: Despite Big 12 meeting Sunday, Texas and OU still to notify league Monday they won't renew GOR



Gotta be impressed with all of today's social media and instant communication that Texas and OU were able to keep this so quiet for 6 mos to a year. Makes one wonder what other clandestine things have gone on behind the scenes from people in power?

(07-23-2021 12:44 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 12:39 PM)Ranger Wrote:  https://twitter.com/unnecroughness/statu...63399?s=21

I got a "this page doesn't exist" error from the above link. So I went deeper to find the actual link.

Here's its Twitter text:

Quote:Unnecessary Roughness
@UnnecRoughness
·
12h
TCU insider @JClarkHFB247 has reported that TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech have already reached out to the PAC-12.

One source told him “The Big 12 is going to blow up man”

As others have mentioned earlier, the PAC folks have never shown any willingness to associate with religious schools. So I find it hard to imagine that they'd invite Baylor or TCU.

(07-26-2021 10:14 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:03 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Lots of posters on BaylorFans and KillerFrogs begging for a "Magnolia League" if they can't keep P5 status.

Kind of hilarious given the (athletic) elitism that many Baylor and TCU fans display toward Rice, SMU, etc...

But if it happened (I think anyone who tells you they know what happens to the remaining 8 Big 12 teams is lying), it would be a net positive for Rice.

That is ironic, but a Magnolia League would be best for us.

I posted above that we may well be saved by others through no doing of our own. That is sad and good at the same time. I guess the winds occasionally can blow you somewhere good. Be nice if we at least set a better mainsail once in a while.

Might be good; but it could just be a temporary holding pen until they found something they believed was better.

And I am finding that the views of the fans and the decision makers are not very congruent.

How UT treated TT should be illegal

The views expressed herein are not necessarily those of the poster.

This article does a good job of summarizing the remaining not-so-Big 8.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech...68273891_3

Kansas has to be in the best spot for Big 10, given their AAU research status and blue-chip basketball program (although I could see their athletics going the way of UConn). Iowa St, with its AAU status, seems to have traction with Big 10 as well.

Kansas State seems DoA.

Baylor/TCU have the private religious school issue that may/may not be a continued issue with the Pac 12. Maybe they go to ACC.

West Va. probably has to hope for ACC or Big 10. Academics suck, so that may be a problem.

Tx Tech / Ok State probably only has the Pac 12 and maybe the Big 10 to look at. Their poor academics will hurt them. Additionally, while they would bring eyeballs in Texas/Oklahoma, I'm not sure Texas Tech is a huge boon for any conference from a recruiting perspective. Lubbock is very far away from the state's population centers and thus very far away from the top recruits in Texas. Out of the top 50 TX 2021 recruits, only four are outside the Texas Triangle: two from Texarkana, one from a small town east of Abilene and one from Lubbock. If you're USC and making trips to Lubbock every two years for football games, it's not easy to get a recruit from the Houston/DFW area to fly/drive to Lubbock (relative to driving to Austin or College Station).

(07-26-2021 11:39 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  This article does a good job of summarizing the remaining not-so-Big 8.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech...68273891_3

Kansas has to be in the best spot for Big 10, given their AAU research status and blue-chip basketball program (although I could see their athletics going the way of UConn). Iowa St, with its AAU status, seems to have traction with Big 10 as well.

Kansas State seems DoA.

Baylor/TCU have the private religious school issue that may/may not be a continued issue with the Pac 12. Maybe they go to ACC.

West Va. probably has to hope for ACC or Big 10. Academics suck, so that may be a problem.

Tx Tech / Ok State probably only has the Pac 12 and maybe the Big 10 to look at. Their poor academics will hurt them. Additionally, while they would bring eyeballs in Texas/Oklahoma, I'm not sure Texas Tech is a huge boon for any conference from a recruiting perspective. Lubbock is very far away from the state's population centers and thus very far away from the top recruits in Texas. Out of the top 50 TX 2021 recruits, only four are outside the Texas Triangle: two from Texarkana, one from a small town east of Abilene and one from Lubbock. If you're USC and making trips to Lubbock every two years for football games, it's not easy to get a recruit from the Houston/DFW area to fly/drive to Lubbock (relative to driving to Austin or College Station).

Do we really think that the woke presidents at the CA universities are going to allow Baylor into the PAC-12? I'll believe it when I see it. And not sure why, if I'm an ACC school, I'd add a school like Baylor (or TCU) that's going to be dilutive to my conference revenue share.

(07-26-2021 11:57 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:39 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  This article does a good job of summarizing the remaining not-so-Big 8.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech...68273891_3

Kansas has to be in the best spot for Big 10, given their AAU research status and blue-chip basketball program (although I could see their athletics going the way of UConn). Iowa St, with its AAU status, seems to have traction with Big 10 as well.

Kansas State seems DoA.

Baylor/TCU have the private religious school issue that may/may not be a continued issue with the Pac 12. Maybe they go to ACC.

West Va. probably has to hope for ACC or Big 10. Academics suck, so that may be a problem.

Tx Tech / Ok State probably only has the Pac 12 and maybe the Big 10 to look at. Their poor academics will hurt them. Additionally, while they would bring eyeballs in Texas/Oklahoma, I'm not sure Texas Tech is a huge boon for any conference from a recruiting perspective. Lubbock is very far away from the state's population centers and thus very far away from the top recruits in Texas. Out of the top 50 TX 2021 recruits, only four are outside the Texas Triangle: two from Texarkana, one from a small town east of Abilene and one from Lubbock. If you're USC and making trips to Lubbock every two years for football games, it's not easy to get a recruit from the Houston/DFW area to fly/drive to Lubbock (relative to driving to Austin or College Station).

Do we really think that the woke presidents at the CA universities are going to allow Baylor into the PAC-12? I'll believe it when I see it. And not sure why, if I'm an ACC school, I'd add a school like Baylor (or TCU) that's going to be dilutive to my conference revenue share.

Yeah, I see Kansas and Iowa State fleeing to the Big Ten, and then the other 6 being outta luck. Joining the also-ran community where we reside (albeit at a better place within that community, at least initially).

(07-26-2021 11:39 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  This article does a good job of summarizing the remaining not-so-Big 8.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech...68273891_3

Kansas has to be in the best spot for Big 10, given their AAU research status and blue-chip basketball program (although I could see their athletics going the way of UConn). Iowa St, with its AAU status, seems to have traction with Big 10 as well.

Kansas State seems DoA.

Baylor/TCU have the private religious school issue that may/may not be a continued issue with the Pac 12. Maybe they go to ACC.

West Va. probably has to hope for ACC or Big 10. Academics suck, so that may be a problem.

Tx Tech / Ok State probably only has the Pac 12 and maybe the Big 10 to look at. Their poor academics will hurt them. Additionally, while they would bring eyeballs in Texas/Oklahoma, I'm not sure Texas Tech is a huge boon for any conference from a recruiting perspective. Lubbock is very far away from the state's population centers and thus very far away from the top recruits in Texas. Out of the top 50 TX 2021 recruits, only four are outside the Texas Triangle: two from Texarkana, one from a small town east of Abilene and one from Lubbock. If you're USC and making trips to Lubbock every two years for football games, it's not easy to get a recruit from the Houston/DFW area to fly/drive to Lubbock (relative to driving to Austin or College Station).

I have one difference with the above.

I think that at this point we have entered the realm of who gives a flying flip about academics. The only three things that will matter going forward will be eyeballs, record, and the green that flows from the endeavor called major men's team sports.

The issue of school academics will matter as much as the mound of big red ants that reside where a building foundation is to be poured.

Academics in the resulting land grab named collegiate athletics iis a minor kerfuffle, a literal ghost of the concept as it existed less than 10 years ago.

All jmo.

(07-26-2021 12:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:39 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  This article does a good job of summarizing the remaining not-so-Big 8.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech...68273891_3

Kansas has to be in the best spot for Big 10, given their AAU research status and blue-chip basketball program (although I could see their athletics going the way of UConn). Iowa St, with its AAU status, seems to have traction with Big 10 as well.

Kansas State seems DoA.

Baylor/TCU have the private religious school issue that may/may not be a continued issue with the Pac 12. Maybe they go to ACC.

West Va. probably has to hope for ACC or Big 10. Academics suck, so that may be a problem.

Tx Tech / Ok State probably only has the Pac 12 and maybe the Big 10 to look at. Their poor academics will hurt them. Additionally, while they would bring eyeballs in Texas/Oklahoma, I'm not sure Texas Tech is a huge boon for any conference from a recruiting perspective. Lubbock is very far away from the state's population centers and thus very far away from the top recruits in Texas. Out of the top 50 TX 2021 recruits, only four are outside the Texas Triangle: two from Texarkana, one from a small town east of Abilene and one from Lubbock. If you're USC and making trips to Lubbock every two years for football games, it's not easy to get a recruit from the Houston/DFW area to fly/drive to Lubbock (relative to driving to Austin or College Station).

I have one difference with the above.

I think that at this point we have entered the realm of who gives a flying flip about academics. The only three things that will matter going forward will be eyeballs, record, and the green that flows from the endeavor called major men's team sports.

The issue of school academics will matter as much as the mound of big red ants that reside where a building foundation is to be poured.

Academics in the resulting land grab named collegiate athletics iis a minor kerfuffle, a literal ghost of the concept as it existed less than 10 years ago.

All jmo.

The college presidents definitely like AAU status-but I agree that Rice's AAU status won't vault us over most schools in the realignment sweepstakes. But definitely vaults KU over KSU despite KSU's far better football record as of late.

(07-26-2021 12:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The college presidents definitely like AAU status-but I agree that Rice's AAU status won't vault us over most schools in the realignment sweepstakes. But definitely vaults KU over KSU despite KSU's far better football record as of late.

KU basketball is what vaults KU over KSU.