She’s out in the back yard in her motorized jeep or who knows what, but I’m sure there’s opportunities coming in the weeks ahead for her lack of leadership to screw this conference even harder when the dominoes start to fall.
Wake up, Judy, and come to the office!
Does anyone feel good about her leadership?

She'll be fiddling as things happen

(07-24-2021 07:23 AM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  She’s out in the back yard in her motorized jeep or who knows what, but I’m sure there’s opportunities coming in the weeks ahead for her lack of leadership to screw this conference even harder when the dominoes start to fall.
Wake up, Judy, and come to the office!
Does anyone feel good about her leadership?

Doesn't matter what she does at this point. Anyone asked to join any other conference is gone. Our TV deal is so bad that we have zero leverage to keep anyone here or backfill anyone that leaves. CUSA's only chance of survival is being left with 10 teams within reasonable proximity to each other. If it's a bunch of El Paso to Miami situations, stick a fork in her.

I’d love for USM, UAB and Marshall ADs to get together and solve this bc this conference is done. Let’s join the belt or start a new conf and invite the best of the belt. At least we would be on espn occasionally.

(07-24-2021 09:08 AM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  I’d love for USM, UAB and Marshall ADs to get together and solve this bc this conference is done. Let’s join the belt or start a new conf and invite the best of the belt. At least we would be on espn occasionally.

I agree. Be proactive instead of reactive. No ******* markets, just football schools and some decent basketball.

I know hating on Judy (which has its merits but at the end your school president keeps her employed) is a hobby here but at this point is better not to do anything. Overreacting is what it got us where we are. Repeating the same mistake is not the answer. The SEC expansion will have a domino effect all the way to the Sun Belt. I’d be more concerned what the UTEP president and AD are doing at this moment. Are they in contact with the MWC and AAC? Heck, even calling the Big XII just to put their name out there.

Leaving espn was a huge mistake. Recruits don’t even see our games.

The additions if someone were to leave IMO

App/Louisiana (see if they are interested)
Liberty
JMU

If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

Took me awhile to understand kids today and my sons are 26 and 30...

30 and under do not watch sports like we do. They dont care about watching every minute and they dont need a 75 inch TV. That little screen their faces are looking down at for most of the day is their way of keeping up. They are not like us dads and grandpas. They do with their thumbs what a remote does for us by surfing and streaming.

If S. Miss recruiting is down its not because of espn. Its because of coaching and there's a lot more other schools recruiting those same players.

A quick check of 2019 247 school ranking...

8 CUSA schools in top 90 and 2 SBC

2020 there's 6 CUSA schools before you get to the first SBC team

2018 there's 7 CUSA schools rated before you get to the 1st SBC school

2015 (which is really 2014 because you are recruiting for next year) when CUSA was on Fox and a few games on ESPN
Marshall 75 (a lot lower than after CUSA switched to streaming) then a SBC school followed by FAU and then Tech and a SBC school

top 8...3 SBC schools. So this crying about espn and recruiting is just another.....I FEEL IT so even if its not correct. It must be true, because I FEEL IT

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

I agree

If it's an inevitable move to four 16 power conferences, the doors will be closed for all of us.

Houston MAY get in, but that's based on location and market only. I don't see anybody else getting the call.

Very slim chance for Boise State and Cincinnati. Heck, the PAC 12 may invite Houston over TCU, Baylor or BYU because of politics.

UCF has almost no shot

(07-24-2021 10:33 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

I agree

If it's an inevitable move to four 16 power conferences, the doors will be closed for all of us.

Houston MAY get in, but that's based on location and market only. I don't see anybody else getting the call.

Very slim chance for Boise State and Cincinnati. Heck, the PAC 12 may invite Houston over TCU, Baylor or BYU because of politics.

UCF has almost no shot

Rice has a much better shot at the PAC than Houston. If the PAC expands, I think Rice may be the only G5 to win in this situation. The PAC wouldn't be adding them for the football success, but for their academics and location. With the right leadership. Rice would the Stanford of the PAC's southern division.

(07-24-2021 10:18 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Took me awhile to understand kids today and my sons are 26 and 30...

30 and under do not watch sports like we do. They dont care about watching every minute and they dont need a 75 inch TV. That little screen their faces are looking down at for most of the day is their way of keeping up. They are not like us dads and grandpas. They do with their thumbs what a remote does for us by surfing and streaming.

If S. Miss recruiting is down its not because of espn. Its because of coaching and there's a lot more other schools recruiting those same players.

A quick check of 2019 247 school ranking...

8 CUSA schools in top 90 and 2 SBC

2020 there's 6 CUSA schools before you get to the first SBC team

2018 there's 7 CUSA schools rated before you get to the 1st SBC school

2015 (which is really 2014 because you are recruiting for next year) when CUSA was on Fox and a few games on ESPN
Marshall 75 (a lot lower than after CUSA switched to streaming) then a SBC school followed by FAU and then Tech and a SBC school

top 8...3 SBC schools. So this crying about espn and recruiting is just another.....I FEEL IT so even if its not correct. It must be true, because I FEEL IT

I don’t know if you posted in the wrong thread but Southern Miss is in the same situation with East Carolina. They were a good option for recruits that didn’t get an offer from SEC, ACC, Big XII and Big East schools. Then a bunch of schools started moving up in their region which in return made recruiting harder for players who didn’t get P5 offers. Old Dominion, Charlotte, App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, South Alabama, FAU, FIU, UTSA, Texas State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty moving up in the last 15 years had an effect in how USM and ECU recruit.

(07-24-2021 10:45 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:33 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

I agree

If it's an inevitable move to four 16 power conferences, the doors will be closed for all of us.

Houston MAY get in, but that's based on location and market only. I don't see anybody else getting the call.

Very slim chance for Boise State and Cincinnati. Heck, the PAC 12 may invite Houston over TCU, Baylor or BYU because of politics.

UCF has almost no shot

Rice has a much better shot at the PAC than Houston. If the PAC expands, I think Rice may be the only G5 to win in this situation. The PAC wouldn't be adding them for the football success, but for their academics and location. With the right leadership. Rice would the Stanford of the PAC's southern division.

If they wanted to add a Vanderbilt... Maybe rice, but that's really, really a long shot

(07-24-2021 09:47 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  The additions if someone were to leave IMO

App/Louisiana (see if they are interested)
Liberty
JMU

Serious question (that I’ve asked here before): can you give me one good reason why UL would consider moving to cusa? Even if it was for free, much less if we had to pay huge exit fees? I think most people in the sporting world would consider this a step down, or I guess some would see it as a lateral move. But I think you’d very hard pressed to find any rational people who think it would a step up, or wise, in any way, shape or form. No offense meant just stating some facts.

(07-24-2021 11:00 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

Serious question (that I’ve asked here before): can you give me one good reason why UL would consider moving to cusa? Even if it was for free, much less if we had to pay huge exit fees? I think most people in the sporting world would consider this a step down, or I guess some would see it as a lateral move. No offense meant just stating some facts.

I don't think this would be a moving to Sunbelt or CUSA situation, I think it would be a merger of the best....

I don't think one of us survives as is, I think a merger is inevitable, now I don't know if that would be regional or best of the best, but I think a merger could happen.

(07-24-2021 11:00 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

Serious question (that I’ve asked here before): can you give me one good reason why UL would consider moving to cusa? Even if it was for free, much less if we had to pay huge exit fees? I think most people in the sporting world would consider this a step down, or I guess some would see it as a lateral move. No offense meant just stating some facts.

Louisville is not leaving the ACC for CUSA.

(07-24-2021 11:02 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 11:00 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:12 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If this is a worse case situation where Texas and OU are just the beginning of the 16 team super conference alignment, than there is nothing more the G5's can do. There is no configuration of teams from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt, that can even come close to what the SEC, BIG10, and AAC will feature. The arms race as we know it will be over for all of us. As much as I like to blame Judy, there is nothing within her control she could do to save us a place at the table. There is nothing any G5 commissioner could do.

Sadly, I don't think any G5's get the call up this time around. If anything a few P5's in the Big12 will be left on the outside looking in. At best, some of the G5's maybe get invited to conference with them as the dust is settling. The P3 maybe 4 (if the PAC expands too), will hold their own pay for play league and crown a champion. The rest of us will have something more like traditional college football, but with players earning money too. Maybe we keep the playoff model and the NCAA continues as our governing body. But our version of college football will be viewed as a "D" league to the P3/4, with many fewer eyeballs and media interest.

Serious question (that I’ve asked here before): can you give me one good reason why UL would consider moving to cusa? Even if it was for free, much less if we had to pay huge exit fees? I think most people in the sporting world would consider this a step down, or I guess some would see it as a lateral move. No offense meant just stating some facts.

I don't think this would be a moving to Sunbelt or CUSA situation, I think it would be a merger of the best....

I don't think one of us survives as is, I think a merger is inevitable, now I don't know if that would be regional or best of the best, but I think a merger could happen.

That will leave Lafayette out then.

Big 12 gets raided....

AAC and Mountain West get raided...

We get raided....

Look at the first big shakeup, only Miami moved. It started a MASSIVE shakeup.

(07-24-2021 11:00 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 09:47 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  The additions if someone were to leave IMO

App/Louisiana (see if they are interested)
Liberty
JMU

Serious question (that I’ve asked here before): can you give me one good reason why UL would consider moving to cusa? Even if it was for free, much less if we had to pay huge exit fees? I think most people in the sporting world would consider this a step down, or I guess some would see it as a lateral move. No offense meant just stating some facts.

Ha! I was wondering why you injected that question to SideShow's post originally. You can't even figure out how to correctly reply to a post. Definitely not CUSA material if you ask me.