(07-22-2021 07:01 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:30 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The 12 team playoff gives Texas and Oklahoma cover. The Big 12 will make dramatically less money but they will still have access to the big post season—that is of course the powers at be don’t come back and switch to an 8 or 10 team model.

If I’m the Other 8, I make Texas and Oklahoma stay the duration of the GOR.

I’m curious how the LHN fits into this. Personally, I think they should rebrand the LHN as SECN West and the existing SECN as SECN East.

I also hope that TTU and Oklahoma St can leverage lengthy series with their instate rivals.

They can't force them to stay though. They will just leave and sue them for breach of contract afterwards.

They can leave sure, but 3 to 4 years of media revenue is a steep price to pay

Chip Brown's on CBS Sports Radio now

All but conformed A&M leaked this to try and torpedo and Texas did not want this out now

I suspect Texas and OU were going to try and keep this under wraps as long as possible so they could simply leave after the 2024 season.

That is going to be very difficult now

(07-22-2021 07:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Chip Brown's on CBS Sports Radio now

All but conformed A&M leaked this to try and torpedo and Texas did not want this out now

I suspect Texas and OU were going to try and keep this under wraps as long as possible so they could simply leave after the 2024 season.

That is going to be very difficult now

So the timing of the plan in "Oklahoma and Texas plan to tell the other Big12 schools that they will not be committing to the next Big12 GOR" was always "the week after the news breaks".

(07-22-2021 07:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:58 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is Chip Brown's take
https://247sports.com/college/texas/Long...168072920/
If you remember, he is extremely well connected on the Texas POV

Key quote

Quote:ESPN also controls the rights to the Longhorn Network thanks to a 20-year, $300 million agreement signed in 2011 that runs through 2031.

That deal is backloaded. Even though it averages $15 million per year, it started out with ESPN paying Texas roughly $6 million in Year 1 with gradual increases each year so that the majority of the money is paid out in the final 10 years. Those most-lucrative 10 years are about to begin.

Texas officials have told me they’ll never walk away from the LHN contract. The only way they’d do that is if ESPN paid it off - in full - to terminate the agreement or figured out some other way to make Texas whole on the entire $300 million.

Could the money ESPN saves by shutting down the Longhorn Network be uses to pacify the Big 12 to let Texas and Oklahoma out a year or 2 early?

How can the money be saved if the way to shut it down is to pay Texas for the contract?

Guarantee the Texas-Oklahoma less Big 12 what they are making now for the duration of the contract using the savings from the Longhorn Network shutdown. 2 to 3 years of overpaying for a lesser Big12 beats 9 to 10 years of paying a backloaded Longhorn Network contract.

Texas doesn't get the money, but they get to escape their grant of rights. BIG 12 has 3 years reprieve.

It does get tricky as Oklahoma is involved too as is Fox. But basically turning over a significant chunk of the Longhorn Network money to the Big 12 may be able to get Texas out early

The Sooner Net and LHN could be rebranded as the Big12 network.

(07-22-2021 07:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Chip Brown's on CBS Sports Radio now

All but conformed A&M leaked this to try and torpedo and Texas did not want this out now

I suspect Texas and OU were going to try and keep this under wraps as long as possible so they could simply leave after the 2024 season.

That is going to be very difficult now

So the timing of the plan in "Oklahoma and Texas plan to tell the other Big12 schools that they will not be committing to the next Big12 GOR" was always "the week after the news breaks".

Probably as late as possible after everything was set in stone.

Certainly not this early.

A&M is doing what they can to try and torpedo this deal by getting the casualties of a potential move riled up while they can do something about it

Shrewd move by the Aggies

(07-22-2021 08:18 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Chip Brown's on CBS Sports Radio now

All but conformed A&M leaked this to try and torpedo and Texas did not want this out now

I suspect Texas and OU were going to try and keep this under wraps as long as possible so they could simply leave after the 2024 season.

That is going to be very difficult now

So the timing of the plan in "Oklahoma and Texas plan to tell the other Big12 schools that they will not be committing to the next Big12 GOR" was always "the week after the news breaks".

Probably as late as possible after everything was set in stone.

Certainly not this early.

A&M is doing what they can to try and torpedo this deal by getting the casualties of a potential move riled up while they can do something about it

Shrewd move by the Aggies

Is it? Alienating most of the other schools in your conference because you want to be king of the hill in your own state? You can almost bet that Texas A&M will be leading the SEC in holding penalties for the foreseeable future. When you're in a partnership and you do your best to scuttle what the rest of your partners want in a way that makes them unhappy, it rarely ends up being a "shrewd move."

USFFan

Looking at a potential 16-team conference, at what number is it realistic/attainable to begin to look at holding Conference Semifinal Games between divisional (4) champions, leading into a conference championship game? Would four divisions of four teams be too small?

(07-22-2021 08:51 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Looking at a potential 16-team conference, at what number is it realistic/attainable to begin to look at holding Conference Semifinal Games between divisional (4) champions, leading into a conference championship game? Would four divisions of four teams be too small?

I don't think this is necessary. Top 2 teams probably in play. #3 on down would just be sidelined having to play an extra game in the At-Large round although 3rd place team would have one less game to play while the CCG loser will have to play an extra game assuming both qualify for the playoff. Winner would get the bye most likely.

(07-22-2021 08:51 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Looking at a potential 16-team conference, at what number is it realistic/attainable to begin to look at holding Conference Semifinal Games between divisional (4) champions, leading into a conference championship game? Would four divisions of four teams be too small?

Divisions are going away, regardless of whether this goes through or not. In fact, I think that's helping to drive this, since you can now just lock in your top 2 teams and start playing every member of the conference more often. What's funny is that they'll almost certainly go to the pod system where you play your pod annually and rotate through the rest of the conference every 2ish years (depending on if it's an 8 or a 9 game conference slate).

USFFan

lol-

None of this is particularly surprising other than the timing. I didn't expect serious negotiating about new B12 departures and SEC expansion, being elevated in the media for another year or so.

Enhancing a playoff format, the rise of NIL and pay-the-players, and the financial
aggressiveness of sponsoring network broadcasters, are the burs under the saddle.

C'mon, just because one conference goes to sixteen doesn't mean any other conference will. Baaaahhh

(07-22-2021 09:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  C'mon, just because one conference goes to sixteen doesn't mean any other conference will. Baaaahhh

one who believes that clearly haven't been following realignment..... lol

Question: would expansion by the ACC trigger a renegotiation for their tv contract?

Even the SEC Network is now openly talking about this (and how it might work):



Given that the network is a semi-official mouthpiece for the conference, does anybody still realistically think TAMU can block this?

I don't listen to the show, but I have to figure if ever there was a day to look up PAAAWWLLLLLL's show, it's today.

USFFan

(07-22-2021 09:27 AM)usffan Wrote:  Even the SEC Network is now openly talking about this (and how it might work):



Given that the network is a semi-official mouthpiece for the conference, does anybody still realistically think TAMU can block this?

I don't listen to the show, but I have to figure if ever there was a day to look up PAAAWWLLLLLL's show, it's today.

USFFan

From a competitive balance standpoint, those are nice pods

It seems rather juvenile for A&M to leak this and try and block it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the conference fined them for it.

(07-22-2021 08:51 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Looking at a potential 16-team conference, at what number is it realistic/attainable to begin to look at holding Conference Semifinal Games between divisional (4) champions, leading into a conference championship game? Would four divisions of four teams be too small?

You could accomplish much of the value by staying with 8 team divisions and having the #1 in the east play the #2 in the west and vice versa in your semis. With four team divisions you risk having one weak division champ in some years. Even if one team seems to have locked up the #1 spot, there will still be late season drama in fighting for the #2 spot in each of the division races.

(07-22-2021 09:27 AM)usffan Wrote:  Even the SEC Network is now openly talking about this (and how it might work):



Given that the network is a semi-official mouthpiece for the conference, does anybody still realistically think TAMU can block this?

I don't listen to the show, but I have to figure if ever there was a day to look up PAAAWWLLLLLL's show, it's today.

USFFan

Wellll CAWL PAWL.....HE'LL MAKE SENSE OF IT AWL!!!!

(07-22-2021 09:31 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It seems rather juvenile for A&M to leak this and try and block it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the conference fined them for it.

I actually love this. Take that, A&M. Can't escape your horned master.