(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:31 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:16 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:07 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 10:59 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Look its OK to just go with a article without trying to change its meaning. The text in the article was very clear on what it was based on. It wasnt trying to solve world problems or the fact that when your dad was a boy S. Miss beat some good schools. Western also has something in football S. Miss never will have...

national championship

I never knew WKU had a national title in football. Congratulations. When did you win it?

2002 and lost in the championship game of 2 others in the late 70s. One was a beatdown by Tech. Back then (the ones Western lost) what is today known as FCS was Dll. Then it was switched to 1AA and later to FCS

The center (David Carter) on that team that lost to Tech just passed away this week. He played for the Oilers for 7 or 8 years

FCS was 1AA, Division II is even lower.

What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels/classification . Today Dll is lower but not back then

There was a great history discussion on this board a few weeks ago about this, but the old College Division became Division II and Division III prior to the 1973 season. If you were referring to the 1973 La Tech vs WKU game, that was literally the first modern-era NCAA Division II Football Championship Game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_NCAA_...all_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ampionship

There was a fairly massive rearrangement of the deck chairs between 1975-1982, but College Division's records and history are in D-II, not Division I FCS. The Ohio Valley Conference (of which WKU was a member) was in Division II 1973-77, and moved to I-AA in 1978. Factually speaking, College Division split into D-II and D-III, not FCS. It wasn't the division name that changed, you reclassified from D-II to D-I-AA in 1978.

(07-14-2021 11:41 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:31 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:16 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:07 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I never knew WKU had a national title in football. Congratulations. When did you win it?

2002 and lost in the championship game of 2 others in the late 70s. One was a beatdown by Tech. Back then (the ones Western lost) what is today known as FCS was Dll. Then it was switched to 1AA and later to FCS

The center (David Carter) on that team that lost to Tech just passed away this week. He played for the Oilers for 7 or 8 years

FCS was 1AA, Division II is even lower.

What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

while you are correct about 1AA/1A those same teams played in what was known as Dll. It says so right in your link. So I stand by what I said. Dll is mostly the same schools as 1AA and later FCS

Quote:Most of the participants in early national championship games have moved into Division I, the main catalyst for their moves being the creation of Division I-AA,

This thread has taken a turn into minutia...

(07-14-2021 12:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:41 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:31 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:16 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  2002 and lost in the championship game of 2 others in the late 70s. One was a beatdown by Tech. Back then (the ones Western lost) what is today known as FCS was Dll. Then it was switched to 1AA and later to FCS

The center (David Carter) on that team that lost to Tech just passed away this week. He played for the Oilers for 7 or 8 years

FCS was 1AA, Division II is even lower.

What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

while you are correct about 1AA/1A those same teams played in what was known as Dll. It says so right in your link. So I stand by what I said. Dll is mostly the same schools as 1AA and later FCS

Quote:Most of the participants in early national championship games have moved into Division I, the main catalyst for their moves being the creation of Division I-AA,

1968 University Division and College Divisions are created
1973 Div I and Div II and Div III are created
1978 Div I splits to form 1AA and 1A

(07-14-2021 02:11 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:41 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:31 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  FCS was 1AA, Division II is even lower.

What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

while you are correct about 1AA/1A those same teams played in what was known as Dll. It says so right in your link. So I stand by what I said. Dll is mostly the same schools as 1AA and later FCS

Quote:Most of the participants in early national championship games have moved into Division I, the main catalyst for their moves being the creation of Division I-AA,

1968 University Division and College Divisions are created
1973 Div I and Div II and Div III are created
1978 Div I splits to form 1AA and 1A

What you seem to be not getting, most of (very large part of hell maybe all) 1AA were teams that played Dll the year before. And the year before they joined 1AA, there was no 1AA.

Its semantics the NCAA no longer called it Dll It was now called 1AA, then it went to FC. Dll 1977 is not the same level of play as Dll 2021. Its the same schools that make up FCS today and before that 1AA other than those that started football, stopped playing football or moved up to FBS

If there's a difference show me the teams to play in the first year of 1AA and compare that list to the year before Dll? If there's a 60% or higher difference. I will admit you are correct. Hell make it 50%

(07-14-2021 03:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 02:11 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:41 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

while you are correct about 1AA/1A those same teams played in what was known as Dll. It says so right in your link. So I stand by what I said. Dll is mostly the same schools as 1AA and later FCS

Quote:Most of the participants in early national championship games have moved into Division I, the main catalyst for their moves being the creation of Division I-AA,

1968 University Division and College Divisions are created
1973 Div I and Div II and Div III are created
1978 Div I splits to form 1AA and 1A

What you seem to be not getting, most of (very large part of hell maybe all) 1AA were teams that played Dll the year before. And the year before they joined 1AA, there was no 1AA.

Its semantics the NCAA no longer called it Dll It was now called 1AA, then it went to FCS

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I understand what you are trying to say. I had never thought about this before, and I find it interesting that the NCAA did such a big reorganization back then. So if Div II, or most of Div II became IAA, who populated Div II when they left? Was Div III non-scholarship back then, and if so, they are not Div II teams. It seems like Div II would have been empty if there was a wholesale shift of teams to IAA.

WKUYG, Man-- you don't know me. I am very passionate for WKU athletics.

Now you can probably top me because you might donate more to HAF or be older than I so you have been to more games or been a fan and booster longer, etc..

FAN PASSION-- Here are just some examples

-- got into a few squabbles with MTPiKAPP (a mod and MT diehard) -- think I got a warning once

-- DROVE to Phoenix (straight thru-27 hours) for the NCAA sweet sixteen game-UCLA- in 2008 with my wife and children-- also went to Tampa that year, DAYTON, fan bus to Kansas City 2013, numerous tourney trips to Mobile B'Ham, Hot Springs,etc.. Attended most home games and some away driving anywhere from 30-70 miles -yes sometimes even in snow and ice. Season ticket holder a number of years.




Football Season ticket holder since early 90's-never missed a game at home as a student in the 70's or BB ,several football away games

Baseball-- Spent days at the NCAA tourney in Oxford as we finished regional runner-up. Season ticket holder several years.



Women's BB-- NCAA regional tourney trip, conference tourney games and other games (season ticket holder some years)

HAF member since early 80's

uk hater

I can go on with a lot more.


I hope "every team is great" in our conference. The more they win-- the better we are by defeating them in conference. That said I hope we go undefeated in C-USA every year.

I "take a stand" on many moral, religious, and political issues and am not ashamed to do so-- although not here.

I don't care if you or other posters LIKE me or not. I do try to get along and complement fellow posters when I can.

You will probably have some intelligent (though incorrect) retort for this post. Oh Well.

I thank you for all your years of being a WKU fan-- it is not always easy.

Maintain your intensity-- we are on the same side as Hilltopper fans!

(07-14-2021 12:40 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  This thread has taken a turn into minutia...

I'm SHOCKED, I tell you. Just SHOCKED!

I just wanted to invite WKUYG to come back to Houston this year to the Rice game.

I guarantee a much better matchup than the last time you came down. And while I won’t guarantee a win, I do say we will have a fighting chance to get out of that “zero” club that we’re in with USM.

(07-14-2021 07:06 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:40 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  This thread has taken a turn into minutia...

I'm SHOCKED, I tell you. Just SHOCKED!

Gambling at Rick’s place?

(07-15-2021 08:35 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 07:06 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:40 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  This thread has taken a turn into minutia...

I'm SHOCKED, I tell you. Just SHOCKED!

Gambling at Rick’s place?

I would just like to say I dislike all you WKU fans lol

(07-14-2021 03:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 02:11 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:41 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 11:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  What was formerly known as 1AA(today FCS) was called Dll by the NCAA

Only the name changed not the levels. Today Dll is lower but not back then

Division 1AA was a split off from 1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ubdivision

while you are correct about 1AA/1A those same teams played in what was known as Dll. It says so right in your link. So I stand by what I said. Dll is mostly the same schools as 1AA and later FCS

Quote:Most of the participants in early national championship games have moved into Division I, the main catalyst for their moves being the creation of Division I-AA,

1968 University Division and College Divisions are created
1973 Div I and Div II and Div III are created
1978 Div I splits to form 1AA and 1A

What you seem to be not getting, most of (very large part of hell maybe all) 1AA were teams that played Dll the year before. And the year before they joined 1AA, there was no 1AA.

Its semantics the NCAA no longer called it Dll It was now called 1AA, then it went to FC. Dll 1977 is not the same level of play as Dll 2021. Its the same schools that make up FCS today and before that 1AA other than those that started football, stopped playing football or moved up to FBS

If there's a difference show me the teams to play in the first year of 1AA and compare that list to the year before Dll? If there's a 60% or higher difference. I will admit you are correct. Hell make it 50%

I'm not doing the leg work for you

1977 Division II = 16 conferences, 14 independents

Big Sky Conference
Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Far Western Football Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Gulf South Conference
Lone Star Conference
Missouri Intercollegiate Athletic Association
North Central Conference
Northern Intercollegiate Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
South Atlantic Conference
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Yankee Conference

After this season, 4 conferences (Yankee, OVC, MEAC, Big Sky) and 7 independents volunteered to reclassify as I-AA in 1978. 12 conferences and 7 independents chose to remain D-II.
Only 1 D-1 conference (SWAC) volunteered to reclassify as I-AA in 1978. However, by 1982, the NCAA forced more conferences and independents to reclassify as I-AA.

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1982 Division I-AA = 11 conferences, 16 independents
Association of Mid-Continent Universities (conference formed mostly from previous D-II independents)
Big Sky (D-II)
Ivy (D-I)
MAC (D-I) - Interesting story here. See below.
MEAC (D-II)
MVC (D-I)
Ohio Valley (D-II)
Southern (D-I)
Southland (D-I) - Interesting story here. See below.
SWAC (D-I)
Yankee (D-II)

MAC - In 1982, the NCAA forced the MAC to reclassify to D-I-AA as only 2 of the 10 members were originally found to have qualified as I-A. However, 2 schools successfully appealed their qualification rating, 2 others challenged in court, and basically the MAC provisionally found themselves with 6 of 10 qualifying, so to avoid messy battles, the NCAA basically waived the "3 year reclassification requirement" and allowed the MAC to be back in I-A in 1983.

Southland - In 1972, the Southland (of which LaTech was a member) was D-II, and the Southland reclassified to D-I in 1975. The NCAA then forced the Southland to reclassify to I-AA in 1982. LaTech then went I-A independent. LaTech was reclassified 4 times within a 13 year span.

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So, after the MAC was reclassified in 1983 to avoid litigation, I-AA was relatively stable for a couple year as there was a 3 year reclass wait period.

Conclusion: The supermajority of the 1977 D-II stayed D-II after I-AA was formed. I-AA was ultimately the result of approximately similar D-I membership and D-II membership (slightly more D-I).

(07-13-2021 07:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I won’t even quote the post (Reggie F)

But will congratulate and acknowledge USM flagship status.

4 football titles (outright or shared) in league’s first 9 years. Impressive stuff.

Since the championship game was introduced in 2005, titles by team:
2 each: FAU, UAB, WKU, Tulsa, ECU, UCF
1 each: Rice, Marshall, Houston, usm

Rice, Marshall, usm are the only three on that list who competed in all 16 of those seasons.

Rice at least is trending positive, 1 in 16 is good for us. We’d had one league title (1994) in the 32 years before that, and just one (1954) in the 64 years prior. So we’re due another one this decade! (Next 8 years)

By 2027 you'll have to compete in more than one league to keep up that ratio!

(07-14-2021 10:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Best college football teams of all time by winning percentage


https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/bes...3034204_14

You can start at number 30 for CUSA and the next one is 37 and a total of 4 in the top 50. Anyone want to make a guess who those 4 are before looking at the ranking.

I would have got the three

*sigh* We were Top 25 for a long time. Have never fully recovered for the Eloss Johnson Penalty. It does suck.

(07-14-2021 10:59 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 10:45 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 10:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Best college football teams of all time by winning percentage


https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/bes...3034204_14

You can start at number 30 for CUSA and the next one is 37 and a total of 4 in the top 50. Anyone want to make a guess who those 4 are before looking at the ranking.

I would have got the three

You cannot completely disregard history in the sport where tradition matters so much, especially in the South. WKU had how many non-FBS wins to get to #30? WKU has been better than USM for several years recently, good for you but you need several more decades to catch up with USM's prestige.

Look its OK to just go with a article without trying to change its meaning. The text in the article was very clear on what it was based on. It wasnt trying to solve world problems or the fact that when your dad was a boy S. Miss beat some good schools. Western also has something in football S. Miss never will have...

national championship

We have 2. Both are "College" when that was the equivalent of FCS/1AA and "University" was the FBS/1A of the day. Yes, those were in 1950s, but we have them!

(07-14-2021 10:59 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 10:45 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 10:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Best college football teams of all time by winning percentage


https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/bes...3034204_14

You can start at number 30 for CUSA and the next one is 37 and a total of 4 in the top 50. Anyone want to make a guess who those 4 are before looking at the ranking.

I would have got the three

You cannot completely disregard history in the sport where tradition matters so much, especially in the South. WKU had how many non-FBS wins to get to #30? WKU has been better than USM for several years recently, good for you but you need several more decades to catch up with USM's prestige.

Look its OK to just go with a article without trying to change its meaning. The text in the article was very clear on what it was based on. It wasnt trying to solve world problems or the fact that when your dad was a boy S. Miss beat some good schools. Western also has something in football S. Miss never will have...

national championship

If you can count your non-FBS "National Championship", then we can too.

We actually have more than you. We have won the Nnational Championship in football TWICE! So suck it! Idiot.

WHOOOooo!

(07-16-2021 04:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 07:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I won’t even quote the post (Reggie F)

But will congratulate and acknowledge USM flagship status.

4 football titles (outright or shared) in league’s first 9 years. Impressive stuff.

Since the championship game was introduced in 2005, titles by team:
2 each: FAU, UAB, WKU, Tulsa, ECU, UCF
1 each: Rice, Marshall, Houston, usm

Rice, Marshall, usm are the only three on that list who competed in all 16 of those seasons.

Rice at least is trending positive, 1 in 16 is good for us. We’d had one league title (1994) in the 32 years before that, and just one (1954) in the 64 years prior. So we’re due another one this decade! (Next 8 years)

By 2027 you'll have to compete in more than one league to keep up that ratio!

Very good point.
But there is a better way to make it happen…


Dateline Irving TX, August 2036:
Today Conference USA announces it will field and schedule two seasons of football in the 2037 calendar year.

With the recent dominance of the stalwart* Rice Owls (winners of 3 of the previous 7 titles), this opens up competition with two separate opportunities to earn a conference title each year.

The fall champion will continue to earn CuSA’s automatic berth in the 48-team College Football Playoff. The spring champion will earn an automatic bid to the recently announced Pilgrim’s Pride Spring Chicken Bowl in Greeley, Colorado hosted by CUSA member institution University of Northern Colorado.

—-
Dateline 2038:
CUSA will become the first league to crown FOUR football championships in a calendar year and announces title sponsorship A&M Records. The championship series will be known as the “Winter, Spring, Summer, or Fall: All You’ve Got To Do Is Call… an Audible to burn these CUSA Defenses” Title Series.

CUSA Member institutions Prairie View A&M and West Texas A&M are expected to announce hosting agreements for New Bowl tie-ins for the Winter and Summer champions.

CUSA is pleased to lead the way by creating shorter seasons for the student athletes, bucking the recent trend of the football season getting longer.

And best of all, surely Rice can’t win ALL of them, can they???!!!

(07-17-2021 07:09 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 04:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 07:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I won’t even quote the post (Reggie F)

But will congratulate and acknowledge USM flagship status.

4 football titles (outright or shared) in league’s first 9 years. Impressive stuff.

Since the championship game was introduced in 2005, titles by team:
2 each: FAU, UAB, WKU, Tulsa, ECU, UCF
1 each: Rice, Marshall, Houston, usm

Rice, Marshall, usm are the only three on that list who competed in all 16 of those seasons.

Rice at least is trending positive, 1 in 16 is good for us. We’d had one league title (1994) in the 32 years before that, and just one (1954) in the 64 years prior. So we’re due another one this decade! (Next 8 years)

By 2027 you'll have to compete in more than one league to keep up that ratio!

Very good point.
But there is a better way to make it happen…


Dateline Irving TX, August 2036:
Today Conference USA announces it will field and schedule two seasons of football in the 2037 calendar year.

With the recent dominance of the stalwart* Rice Owls (winners of 3 of the previous 7 titles), this opens up competition with two separate opportunities to earn a conference title each year.

The fall champion will continue to earn CuSA’s automatic berth in the 48-team College Football Playoff. The spring champion will earn an automatic bid to the recently announced Pilgrim’s Pride Spring Chicken Bowl in Greeley, Colorado hosted by CUSA member institution University of Northern Colorado.

—-
Dateline 2038:
CUSA will become the first league to crown FOUR football championships in a calendar year and announces title sponsorship A&M Records. The championship series will be known as the “Winter, Spring, Summer, or Fall: All You’ve Got To Do Is Call… an Audible to burn these CUSA Defenses” Title Series.

CUSA Member institutions Prairie View A&M and West Texas A&M are expected to announce hosting agreements for New Bowl tie-ins for the Winter and Summer champions.

CUSA is pleased to lead the way by creating shorter seasons for the student athletes, bucking the recent trend of the football season getting longer.

And best of all, surely Rice can’t win ALL of them, can they???!!!

That's a good idea, but by 2039 and 2040 it'll get really difficult. Of course, you could stick to the same schedule by reversing the trend after winning two in a row.