(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Follow the money...That's the problem.

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

You really should read your own posts before you criticize anyone, just saying.

Big difference between facts and personal opinion.

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

Last time I checked the AAC was a conference about athletics and athletic competition. BYU and Liberty should be welcome in that sphere just as Navy though they are a military school and BTW SMU is a private Methodist school. Being a lifelong Tulane fan I have heard that Tulane doesn't belong because they are too rich and snobby or they have to high too of a Jewish student population and faculty.

Liberty is definitely not progressive leaning like the majority of schools, but the attitude of "now the shoe is on the other foot" so lets kick them out is a pure a$sh0le move.

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

In simpler terms academic snobbery.

But some people enjoy putting themselves on the cross and claiming persecution never mind they are the dominant political, economic, and social force meaning they would be persecuting themselves.

(06-15-2021 01:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

You really should read your own posts before you criticize anyone, just saying.

Big difference between facts and personal opinion.

I didn't criticize anyone. Maybe you should read the post. I'm sorry that how the bill of rights actually works and what free association with out government interference means in a private non-government setting feels like a critique. I would say that's pretty unamerican and being clear that's my opinion, not a fact, and you aren't required to back that up, agree with it, or associate with me.

See how that worked?

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

Their BIGGEST problem is that they are AIU with FBS football. Presidents decide and their (Liberty) model of tuition as an ATM with the goal of self promotion for its own sake differs subsantially from the primary academic mission of 99% of FBS schools. It is really pretty simple.

(06-15-2021 02:04 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

In simpler terms academic snobbery.

But some people enjoy putting themselves on the cross and claiming persecution never mind they are the dominant political, economic, and social force meaning they would be persecuting themselves.

Its not an academic conference. Face it, its religious bigotry. It can be rationalized anyway you want.

(06-15-2021 01:50 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

Last time I checked the AAC was a conference about athletics and athletic competition. BYU and Liberty should be welcome in that sphere just as Navy though they are a military school and BTW SMU is a private Methodist school. Being a lifelong Tulane fan I have heard that Tulane doesn't belong because they are too rich and snobby or they have to high too of a Jewish student population and faculty.

Liberty is definitely not progressive leaning like the majority of schools, but the attitude of "now the shoe is on the other foot" so lets kick them out is a pure a$sh0le move.

You should go back and check again. We as fans think of it this way, the school and those in charge there do not. They view it as a group of schools we want our school to be associated with. Which has always been the case and why the Ivy League doesn't participate in some sports like the FCS tournament.

Second you will notice there are no presidents lining up about BYU or the Academies which are consider strong educational institutions with rigorous standards and high levels of academic output.

Also notice no one has ever considered offering the University of Pheonix a membership but everyone wants Notre Dame?

Also who is kicking Liberty out? They were never in the AAC and just never will be. The issue here is some people think they should only have their sports considered (although even in that they are behind people like App St and way behind schools like BYU and Boise). That's not how college sports work. The first part of "college athletics" is important and carries more weight than the second part.

(06-15-2021 02:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 02:04 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

In simpler terms academic snobbery.

But some people enjoy putting themselves on the cross and claiming persecution never mind they are the dominant political, economic, and social force meaning they would be persecuting themselves.

Its not an academic conference. Face it, its religious bigotry. It can be rationalized anyway you want.

Read my post above this.

But having a 100k online students and low rankings compared to any of the schools in this conference makes it pretty clear why the academics, who you know actually run the schools have a problem with it.

Ignoring all logic though, do you want the spear after you finish hammering in that last nail up there? Cause you'll need one of your other buddies to climb down and do it, I'm not interested in watching or participating in this self flagellation.

(06-15-2021 02:07 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

Their BIGGEST problem is that they are AIU with FBS football. Presidents decide and their (Liberty) model of tuition as an ATM with the goal of self promotion for its own sake differs subsantially from the primary academic mission of 99% of FBS schools. It is really pretty simple.

Link?

Its a private school with a 1.7B endowment. They can do whatever the frick they want.

Like I said. Its religious bigotry. You really wanna play the academics high horse game when it comes to college athletics.

come on, get real

the same kind of bs arguments have been made about other religion based universities forever, its just cool to do it to Liberty.



I dgaf about them either way. I dont care what they do. I just dont like cleaned up and rationalized bigotry.

I mean if you wanna be a bigot towards them, do it. I can at least respect honesty.

(06-15-2021 02:20 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 02:07 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

in simpler terms, religious bigotry.

Their BIGGEST problem is that they are AIU with FBS football. Presidents decide and their (Liberty) model of tuition as an ATM with the goal of self promotion for its own sake differs subsantially from the primary academic mission of 99% of FBS schools. It is really pretty simple.

Link?

Its a private school with a 1.7B endowment. They can do whatever the frick they want.

Like I said. Its religious bigotry. You really wanna play the academics high horse game when it comes to college athletics.

come on, get real

the same kind of bs arguments have been made about other religion based universities forever, its just cool to do it to Liberty.



I dgaf about them either way. I dont care what they do. I just dont like cleaned up and rationalized bigotry.

I mean if you wanna be a bigot towards them, do it. I can at least respect honesty.

Don't compare Liberty to other religious based universities. Compare them to for profit online universities. Their mission is not research. It's also not as an access school for VA residents. Let's stop playing games and call it what it is. They are not Notre Dame or BYU.

You are right about one thing. They can do whatever they want with their money. The Presidents can also decide they are not a cultural fit.

BTW , the rest of the entire world cannnot be all wrong. They could not even get in the CAA which is a VA centric conference.... In VA...where Liberty is located.

It's like nobody wants to date them and Liberty 's mama is telling him, "Those girls just don't understand you...".

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(06-15-2021 01:50 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:23 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!

Their entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be free of the consequences of those opinions and beliefs.

They are not entitled to be associated with people who don't believe that and disagree with them.

You have the freedom to stand on a soap box on the corner and scream about how mole people have taken over the government and we need to rise in revolution.

You do not get to turn around and tell others we have to agree with you, or think your speech is truthful, accurate, reasonable, or not insane. We don't have to accept or associate with you or your assertions, neither does the government. The government just can't stop you from saying them.

We here, can form a group, and because we live in America, not be forced to associate our private group and business with you, in particular if we disagree with you.

The presidents and trustees of the AAC disagree with many of the institutional things Liberty does (they are basically Devry to most academics) as well as some having issues with their political and religous views. They are not entitled to be in a conference with those schools if they don't want them. News flash of the decade, they don't want them.

Last time I checked the AAC was a conference about athletics and athletic competition. BYU and Liberty should be welcome in that sphere just as Navy though they are a military school and BTW SMU is a private Methodist school. Being a lifelong Tulane fan I have heard that Tulane doesn't belong because they are too rich and snobby or they have to high too of a Jewish student population and faculty.

Liberty is definitely not progressive leaning like the majority of schools, but the attitude of "now the shoe is on the other foot" so lets kick them out is a pure a$sh0le move.

We're kicking them out? Didn't know they were in. Politics? Religion? Anti-semites? What about slavery, white supremacy, racism, LGBTQ, and more parking spots for the handicapped. Let's just open up the entire liberal playbook while we're at it.

I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

(06-15-2021 03:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  .....I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

Yeah, and any of you busting on Liberty because they "have no academic rigor", that's why you object to them being considered for AAC membership? Talk about a red herring. The only way that would matter to an athletic conference is because they can admit better athletes who can't qualify at our schools due to grades or SAT scores. Well, I highly doubt their athletes are any stupider than ours, maybe with the exceptions of Tulane, SMU, Temple, and Navy.

(07-01-2021 11:40 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 03:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  .....I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

Yeah, and any of you busting on Liberty because they "have no academic rigor", that's why you object to them being considered for AAC membership? Talk about a red herring. The only way that would matter to an athletic conference is because they can admit better athletes who can't qualify at our schools due to grades or SAT scores. Well, I highly doubt their athletes are any stupider than ours, maybe with the exceptions of Tulane, SMU, Temple, and Navy.

It's not athletic conference all on it's own. This isn't the pros.

It's an association of schools.........who happen to play sports. Hence College Athletics. If it wasn't the school presidents wouldn't make that athletic membership decisions.

Liberty isn't getting in, neither is Devry or Phoenix.

(07-02-2021 08:58 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 11:40 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 03:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  .....I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

Yeah, and any of you busting on Liberty because they "have no academic rigor", that's why you object to them being considered for AAC membership? Talk about a red herring. The only way that would matter to an athletic conference is because they can admit better athletes who can't qualify at our schools due to grades or SAT scores. Well, I highly doubt their athletes are any stupider than ours, maybe with the exceptions of Tulane, SMU, Temple, and Navy.

It's not athletic conference all on it's own. This isn't the pros.

It's an association of schools.........who happen to play sports. Hence College Athletics. If it wasn't the school presidents wouldn't make that athletic membership decisions.

Liberty isn't getting in, neither is Devry or Phoenix.

Not up to you.

And this is a shittty location for this thread.

(07-02-2021 08:58 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 11:40 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 03:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  .....I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

Yeah, and any of you busting on Liberty because they "have no academic rigor", that's why you object to them being considered for AAC membership? Talk about a red herring. The only way that would matter to an athletic conference is because they can admit better athletes who can't qualify at our schools due to grades or SAT scores. Well, I highly doubt their athletes are any stupider than ours, maybe with the exceptions of Tulane, SMU, Temple, and Navy.

It's not athletic conference all on it's own. This isn't the pros.

It's an association of schools.........who happen to play sports. Hence College Athletics. If it wasn't the school presidents wouldn't make that athletic membership decisions.

Liberty isn't getting in, neither is Devry or Phoenix.

Boom

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(07-02-2021 11:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 08:58 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 11:40 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 03:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  .....I was talking about Liberty's mysterious ascension to sports greatness in such a brief period of time. It had nothing to do with any of the other nonsense.

Yeah, and any of you busting on Liberty because they "have no academic rigor", that's why you object to them being considered for AAC membership? Talk about a red herring. The only way that would matter to an athletic conference is because they can admit better athletes who can't qualify at our schools due to grades or SAT scores. Well, I highly doubt their athletes are any stupider than ours, maybe with the exceptions of Tulane, SMU, Temple, and Navy.

It's not athletic conference all on it's own. This isn't the pros.

It's an association of schools.........who happen to play sports. Hence College Athletics. If it wasn't the school presidents wouldn't make that athletic membership decisions.

Liberty isn't getting in, neither is Devry or Phoenix.

Not up to you.

It's up to Presidents who unanimously have said no thanks

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