A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

(05-25-2021 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 10:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-24-2021 07:20 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Texas/Oklahoma moving to any conference would be enough for the CFP to consider P4 champs only. The rest of the Big 12 would just be screwed unless other conferences throw them lifelines. The SEC and Big Ten don't "need" Texas/Oklahoma and the networks can certainly lowball the Big 12 if they really want Texas/Oklahoma in the SEC or Big Ten (which would make more sense/CENTS) for them. If I'm FOX, I'd rather overpay the Pac 12 to take Texas/Oklahoma than keep overpaying for Texas Tech, Kansas State, West Virginia, etc. At least people live in California. But of course Big Ten+Texas+Oklahoma is the best situation for FOX.

The problem with that scenario is that ESPN doesn't want a champs only. They want to be able to invite a runnerup Alabama or Ohio St.

If you take the temperature of the room judging by what we hear on the internet, you might come to the conclusion that the only stakeholders who don't want a champs only playoff model are the SEC, the B1G and ESPN. If the "vote" is 548 to 3 with those being the three, then three is enough to prevent it from happening.

A number of others aren't thrilled with it, but the reality, is that there are only 3 votes that really count. If they are 2-1 against, it won't happen.

(05-26-2021 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 04:18 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I am not sure if it is on this thread or not, but TerryD had an excellent post about how Notre Dame currently views conference membership: Notre Dame fans and alumni, young and old, do not like it at all. Granted, ND didn't get to play Navy (to the best of my knowledge), Stanford, or USC last year, so it is fair to say that we don't know if it would have helped or not. But, from what I gathered from TerryD's post, I seriously have my doubts if that would have helped or not.
And this would go for any conference--Notre Dame just likes being independent just as much as we like being in our conferences.

I say all of that to say this: if the ACC wants to catch up to the SEC and the Big Ten in revenue, Notre Dame is not a realistic option. Texas, as big as its ego is, would be a far better and realistic option for the ACC than Notre Dame would be, IMHO.

i get that but I don't feel Texas to the ACC is realistic at all anymore either

It was never realistic. Deloss Dodds was just bluffing.

(05-26-2021 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 04:18 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I am not sure if it is on this thread or not, but TerryD had an excellent post about how Notre Dame currently views conference membership: Notre Dame fans and alumni, young and old, do not like it at all. Granted, ND didn't get to play Navy (to the best of my knowledge), Stanford, or USC last year, so it is fair to say that we don't know if it would have helped or not. But, from what I gathered from TerryD's post, I seriously have my doubts if that would have helped or not.
And this would go for any conference--Notre Dame just likes being independent just as much as we like being in our conferences.

I say all of that to say this: if the ACC wants to catch up to the SEC and the Big Ten in revenue, Notre Dame is not a realistic option. Texas, as big as its ego is, would be a far better and realistic option for the ACC than Notre Dame would be, IMHO.

i get that but I don't feel Texas to the ACC is realistic at all anymore either

It was never realistic. Deloss Dodds was just bluffing.

Let me repeat: Texas going to the ACC is more realistic than Notre Dame going to the ACC in everything. Now, that being said, this is in the same category as saying that it would be more realistic for me to win the lottery as opposed to me being elected to be the President of the United States of America. Neither truthfully would ever happen.

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

So West Virginia U is the LEAST valuable property in the two conferences? Wow - that is not what I expected.

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:

Take those WSJ "valuations" with a grain of salt because they are not directly correlated to the only thing that's really important in any realignment in this decade: Each school's TV value, 80% of which is football.

Even if you want to assume that the list is relatively close to the TV values... 8 of the 10 Big XII schools are in the top 13 on that list. They don't need to kick any of "their" schools out, and they don't need a brand new conference. They could get all the benefit of your suggested 12-team conference by just convincing Clemson and Florida State to join the Big XII. Now, Clemson and Florida State are probably never going to join the Big XII, but as small as that possibility is, it's more possible than starting a new conference that is a mish-mash of a handful of teams from each conference.

(05-28-2021 12:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:

Take those WSJ "valuations" with a grain of salt because they are not directly correlated to the only thing that's really important in any realignment in this decade: Each school's TV value, 80% of which is football.

Even if you want to assume that the list is relatively close to the TV values... 8 of the 10 Big XII schools are in the top 13 on that list. They don't need to kick any of "their" schools out, and they don't need a brand new conference. They could get all the benefit of your suggested 12-team conference by just convincing Clemson and Florida State to join the Big XII. Now, Clemson and Florida State are probably never going to join the Big XII, but as small as that possibility is, it's more possible than starting a new conference that is a mish-mash of a handful of teams from each conference.

I understand. I was just using the valuations as a guide - incorrect or not.

Since this thread had much discussion about the possibility of ND football joining the ACC, and to provide some objective evidence of ND fans' stance/opinions on that subject, here is a survey question answered by 1,500 Notre Dame fans who subscribe to The Athletic:


"Did Notre Dame playing in the ACC last season make you feel more positively about the idea of the football program joining a conference?

Yes: 29.2 percent

No: 70.8 percent

It’s hard to look at Notre Dame’s single season in the ACC and not think it was a success. The Irish did in one season what Michigan has never managed, appearing in a conference championship game. Notre Dame got a marquee home night game against Clemson that turned into an iconic moment.

It all ended with a blowout loss to Clemson in the rematch for the conference title in Charlotte, but the ACC treated the Irish well in terms of scheduling and COVID-19 accommodations, scrapping a rescheduled game at Wake Forest to give the Irish an idle week before the ACC championship game in the sake of fairness because Clemson also had one.

Maybe there is a way to move the needle on ACC full membership with fans if USC was a guaranteed nonconference opponent, with a chance to rotate marquee opponents like Georgia, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, etc.

But for now, even after last season’s run to the College Football Playoff, Notre Dame is unchanged on the prospect of conference membership. They’ll pass."


https://theathletic.com/2619075/2021/05/...directed=1

If you asked that same question 2 years ago though, instead of 30% responding positively, you’re probably looking at a figure of less than 5%.

(05-28-2021 06:06 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If you asked that same question 2 years ago though, instead of 30% responding positively, you’re probably looking at a figure of less than 5%.

I don't think so, but if it makes you feel better.

I think it may have been higher than now.

The Irish fandom did not like its one year of football conference membership.

It actually made people less in favor of it, not more.

(05-28-2021 06:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:06 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If you asked that same question 2 years ago though, instead of 30% responding positively, you’re probably looking at a figure of less than 5%.

I don't think so, but if it makes you feel better.

I think it may have been higher than now.

The Irish fandom did not like its one year of football conference membership.

It actually made people less in favor of it, not more.

Notre Dame fans are traditionalists and probably didn't like the unreasonable double jeopardy to Clemson. I hated it when Auburn ended that season where we beat Georgia and then Alabama only having to suit it up and while banged up from the Iron Bowl had to play Georgia again. It stinks, isn't traditional, and is deuce hard to get up for a rematch when you've already won.

So that alone makes the conference divisional setup a bit hard to like.

(05-28-2021 06:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:38 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:06 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If you asked that same question 2 years ago though, instead of 30% responding positively, you’re probably looking at a figure of less than 5%.

I don't think so, but if it makes you feel better.

I think it may have been higher than now.

The Irish fandom did not like its one year of football conference membership.

It actually made people less in favor of it, not more.

Notre Dame fans are traditionalists and probably didn't like the unreasonable double jeopardy to Clemson. I hated it when Auburn ended that season where we beat Georgia and then Alabama only having to suit it up and while banged up from the Iron Bowl had to play Georgia again. It stinks, isn't traditional, and is deuce hard to get up for a rematch when you've already won.

So that alone makes the conference divisional setup a bit hard to like.

They didn't like playing 9 games against teams from the same conference.

It felt like playing the season in a straitjacket. Too regional, too "the same" (little variety) and too restrictive.

Again, trying to put ND football into a conference is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, it and its fans are not built for it.

(I agree with the overall point of your post, but the ACC in 2020 had no divisional setup)

I think that the ACC has as much of Notre Dame as they really want.

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

The Old Big East added them for basketball. The AAC kind of inherited them for football.

(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

That’s a fair question. The alignment needed one more school and I considered several options. They’re still a brand name school, albeit not for football (but neither is Kansas or Duke). They’ve been able to sign some decent games as an independent. The options were limited.

(06-02-2021 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

That’s a fair question. The alignment needed one more school and I considered several options. They’re still a brand name school, albeit not for football (but neither is Kansas or Duke). They’ve been able to sign some decent games as an independent. The options were limited.

Maybe to get their basketball teams (and I meant plural)?

I assume when the original poster said UConn as a football member only to the ACC that they would prefer to stay in the Big East in basketball. UConn of course is way more valuable in other sports than in football (they have no value in football). The ACC is IMO the better men's basketball conference and unarguably the better women's basketball conference. If UConn has a chance to go to the ACC for all sports, I would take it and forget the Big East even though the Big East is considered a "major" in men's basketball.

(06-02-2021 12:20 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

That’s a fair question. The alignment needed one more school and I considered several options. They’re still a brand name school, albeit not for football (but neither is Kansas or Duke). They’ve been able to sign some decent games as an independent. The options were limited.

Maybe to get their basketball teams (and I meant plural)?

I assume when the original poster said UConn as a football member only to the ACC that they would prefer to stay in the Big East in basketball. UConn of course is way more valuable in other sports than in football (they have no value in football). The ACC is IMO the better men's basketball conference and unarguably the better women's basketball conference. If UConn has a chance to go to the ACC for all sports, I would take it and forget the Big East even though the Big East is considered a "major" in men's basketball.

100%

UConn has no chance to ever be in the ACC.
It's not even worth mentioning them at all.

(06-02-2021 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

That’s a fair question. The alignment needed one more school and I considered several options. They’re still a brand name school, albeit not for football (but neither is Kansas or Duke). They’ve been able to sign some decent games as an independent. The options were limited.

They were solid 10 years ago. Even went to a Fiesta Bowl. They do add value in basketball, much like blue blooded Duke, UNC, Kentucky and Kansas.