Why would UTEP leave for Minimum Wage?

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU

But my point is, nothing is going to be built from the central of the two areas. If a split occurs, It's going to be either all West or either all East.

As currently constructed, we can make CUSA work, we just need better leadership.

(05-13-2021 08:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  As currently constructed, we can make CUSA work, we just need better leadership.

We also need better fb and mbb programs and that is especially true at UTEP. I believe UTEP's mbb is now heading in the right direction and fb will either show significant improvement this season or there will be a new coaching staff next season. When the AD did not offer Dimel an extension when he did that for the mbb coach, that was telling Dimel its now or never.

Anyway, if the level of success improves for our under performing programs (UTEP especially) then we won't be fixating so much on our leadership.

(05-13-2021 08:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Why would UTEP leave for Minimum Wage?

We are already there.

(05-13-2021 08:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  As currently constructed, we can make CUSA work, we just need better leadership.

This is true. Our leadership has been the primary factor for our decline. It also hasn't helped that we have been unable to break the NY6 barrier. We have plenty of good football and basketball teams, but our tv rights are abhorrent which has not allowed for anyone to garner any momentum like the Sunbelt or AAC. That's a management issue. Also take into account the absolute failure that is CUSAtv and how much it has created an apathy towards our own product. The quality is so low that many on here don't even bother to watch the games, me included. If CUSAtv had been properly done and the Conference forced its schools to take it seriously as was the original intent, we would have a viable product to sell.

(05-13-2021 08:52 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU

But my point is, nothing is going to be built from the central of the two areas. If a split occurs, It's going to be either all West or either all East.

This isn’t about reality. It’s about my selfish desire for easy road trips

(05-12-2021 12:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Posted this in another realignment thread a couple of years ago:

NORTHEAST
Division: UConn, Umass, Temple, Navy, ODU, JMU, Liberty, Buffalo
Division: ECU, Kent State, Akron, Ohio, Marshall, Charlotte, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina

SOUTHEAST
Division: UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Troy
Division: UAB, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana Monroe, Memphis, WKU, Middle Tennessee

MIDWEST
Division: Miami (Ohio), Akron, Bowling Green, Ball State, Northern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, Western Michigan
Division: Cincinnati, Houston, Rice, SMU, North Texas, Tulane, Tulsa, Arkansas State

WEST
Division: Hawaii, Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV,
Division: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State

INDY
BYU, Army

16-team conferences with eight-team divisions. Play everyone in your division, two teams from the other division and three games against whoever.

I presumed that BYU and Army are the programs most likely to stay indy, so I gave JMU a battlefield promotion to get us to 64. If Army participates, they take JMU's spot in the Northeast. If BYU opts in, they go to the West, North Texas moves to the Midwest, Cincinnati moves to the Southeast and ULM goes indy/drops to FCS? Alternate idea: Northeast goes to 18 with Army, JMU and Georgia State, Cincy to Southeast, North Texas to Midwest and BYU to West, and nobody has to drop.

Divisions are sloppy — hell, all of it's sloppy — but it's the best I could do on the fly.

Well, I appreciate the effort

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU. We also care about basketball

Georgia State isn't in our conference, so there's that. Also it is Texas based as that is where our Headquarters are and where they force our Basketball Tourney to be played.

(05-13-2021 09:32 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Why would UTEP leave for Minimum Wage?

We are already there.

The truth hurts

(05-13-2021 09:30 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  As currently constructed, we can make CUSA work, we just need better leadership.

We also need better fb and mbb programs and that is especially true at UTEP. I believe UTEP's mbb is now heading in the right direction and fb will either show significant improvement this season or there will be a new coaching staff next season. When the AD did not offer Dimel an extension when he did that for the mbb coach, that was telling Dimel its now or never.

Anyway, if the level of success improves for our under performing programs (UTEP especially) then we won't be fixating so much on our leadership.

Here's a neat little bit of info:

Which CUSA school has the most NCAA D1 national championships in team sports? It's UTEP, with 21.

Granted, the vast majority of those titles were won in track and field, but it shows that UTEP can have successful programs. Heck, when UTEP is good in football and the Sun Bowl fills up (which is a very rare occurrence, I'll admit), that is a difficult place for road teams to play. UTEP needs to get its act together in some fashion, if only so it can be of benefit to the rest of the conference. The school actually does have some latent potential in sports, more than most of its peers IMO.

Another bit about UTEP: In 1985, after having its best season ever in baseball and lurking on the fringes of what was then the top 20, UTEP dropped the sport. Holy ****, was that stupid.

(05-13-2021 10:19 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU. We also care about basketball

Georgia State isn't in our conference, so there's that. Also it is Texas based as that is where our Headquarters are and where they force our Basketball Tourney to be played.

The thread is what do you want to do if UTEP leaves. I said that I would like to trade the three northeast members for UL and GA ST.

(05-13-2021 02:11 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:19 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU. We also care about basketball

Georgia State isn't in our conference, so there's that. Also it is Texas based as that is where our Headquarters are and where they force our Basketball Tourney to be played.

The thread is what do you want to do if UTEP leaves. I said that I would like to trade the three northeast members for UL and GA ST.

Then lets trade UAB for Troy

[quote='rileylives' pid='17422413' dateline='1620907647']
Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

You are 100% correct on this statement. We have plenty of schools in our area (Deep South) to make a new more centralized and compact conference.

(05-13-2021 03:25 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  [quote='rileylives' pid='17422413' dateline='1620907647']
Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

You are 100% correct on this statement. We have plenty of schools in our area (Deep South) to make a new more centralized and compact conference.

That’s kind of what I was talking about. USM trades having to go to West Virginia, North Carolina, and Virginia for Louisiana and Georgia

(05-13-2021 02:56 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 02:11 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:19 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 08:36 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 07:07 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Schnauzer, I think you might be in the minority. I think most of the other UAB fans would want to align more with Southern Miss and La Tech in an Eastern based conference than Southern Miss and La Tech in a Western Texas based conference.

Just going off of previous discussion.

And it will occur eventually, unfortunately, schools like UAB, La Tech and Southern Miss are going to have to make that hard decision.

It’s not a western based conference. 7 of the 12’members are located east of the Mississippi. This puts UAB 2 hours from GA St. 3 hours from MTSU and less than 4 from WKU. We also care about basketball

Georgia State isn't in our conference, so there's that. Also it is Texas based as that is where our Headquarters are and where they force our Basketball Tourney to be played.

The thread is what do you want to do if UTEP leaves. I said that I would like to trade the three northeast members for UL and GA ST.

Then lets trade UAB for Troy

clt wants no part of troy. academics matter

(05-13-2021 08:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  As currently constructed, we can make CUSA work, we just need better leadership.

I agree. Before tearing everything down and trying to patch together another conference, I'd prefer to see CUSA hire NEW LEADERSHIP, and give a real professional commissioner a shot at re-inventing us. I don't know why in the hell that can't happen.

(05-12-2021 12:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-11-2021 08:23 PM)galojah Wrote:  I voted stay at 13, but I could be persuaded to consider App State, Georgia State, or JMU. I would ideally like to see us get down to 12.

Georgia State? No they offer nothing. G5 conferences need winning teams, not big schools. That's what got us in this current mess to start with.

Agreed. No more big city "commuter" schools with large enrollments and zero football history and no fan base. Good lord, GA State is exactly the opposite of what we need in CUSA.

I say stay at 13. But if we do add someone, it needs to be a high quality football and men's basketball school, with a long history of winning in both sports, and good fan bases. Those are the two money making sports in today's NCAA.

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Yes, you dont need us...

(05-16-2021 09:13 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 12:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-11-2021 08:23 PM)galojah Wrote:  I voted stay at 13, but I could be persuaded to consider App State, Georgia State, or JMU. I would ideally like to see us get down to 12.

Georgia State? No they offer nothing. G5 conferences need winning teams, not big schools. That's what got us in this current mess to start with.

Agreed. No more big city "commuter" schools with large enrollments and zero football history and no fan base. Good lord, GA State is exactly the opposite of what we need in CUSA.

I say stay at 13. But if we do add someone, it needs to be a high quality football and men's basketball school, with a long history of winning in both sports, and good fan bases. Those are the two money making sports in today's NCAA.

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Yes, you dont need us...

App State, Louisiana, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, JMU.

Make your case Ga State. No troll, how would your program offer more than many of those options?

(05-16-2021 09:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(05-16-2021 09:13 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 12:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-11-2021 08:23 PM)galojah Wrote:  I voted stay at 13, but I could be persuaded to consider App State, Georgia State, or JMU. I would ideally like to see us get down to 12.

Georgia State? No they offer nothing. G5 conferences need winning teams, not big schools. That's what got us in this current mess to start with.

Agreed. No more big city "commuter" schools with large enrollments and zero football history and no fan base. Good lord, GA State is exactly the opposite of what we need in CUSA.

I say stay at 13. But if we do add someone, it needs to be a high quality football and men's basketball school, with a long history of winning in both sports, and good fan bases. Those are the two money making sports in today's NCAA.

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Yes, you dont need us...

App State, Louisiana, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, JMU.

Make your case Ga State. No troll, how would your program offer more than many of those options?

There is no scenario in this reality where GSU would entertain joining CUSA. I can't think of any SBC school that would. But certainly we would be the last.

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