(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Probably closer to the truth that what’s being thrown out there.
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Probably closer to the truth that what’s being thrown out there.
Yep, Tubby's posse was just after a check, and they got a big fat one at our expense.
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Lawson was demoted in title but not in salary (I think they offered him 120k to be the 4th assistant) & has Tubby should have been free to hire who he wanted. Bowen made the mistake of trying to make all parties happy which was never going to happen.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2021 04:03 PM by Marc Mensa.)
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Lawson was demoted in title but not in salary (I think they offered him 120k to be the 4th assistant) & has Tubby should have been free to hire who he wanted. Bowen made the mistake of trying to make all parties happy which was never going to happen.
1) Tubby was never informed by anyone he had to hire someone from the previous staff, in fact he was told the opposite. Like most experienced coaches the question was asked was he free to make all of his hires and he was informed "yes"
2) When faced with the challenge Tubby gave up the Director of Operations role the role Dwight Boyd plays now for the father and the fathers pay went "up"
If you have ever traveled with either the football team or basketball team, when the buses leave you better be there. ADs have been left before, Football OCs have been left before. Heck a starting QB was left before. Team before self. No one is above anyone else if they are not on time. It's known by every team in every sport if you miss the bus from the hotel get to the game yourself.
Quote from article in Daily Memphian
"Their father said Chandler actually thought about returning home last season, but wanted to give it one more shot. Once he knew his time in Eugene was up, Chandler said the message from K.J. was simple."
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Lawson was demoted in title but not in salary (I think they offered him 120k to be the 4th assistant) & has Tubby should have been free to hire who he wanted. Bowen made the mistake of trying to make all parties happy which was never going to happen.
If you have ever traveled with either the football team or basketball team, when the buses leave you better be there. ADs have been left before, Football OCs have been left before. Heck a starting QB was left before. Team before self. No one is above anyone else if they are not on time. It's known by every team in every sport if you miss the bus from the hotel get to the game yourself.
100% true! I traveled on many team buses in my college days. I've seen players, assistant coaches, staff, and radio announcers left behind, many times.
Ultimately, we all want the same thing...a great season and deep tourney run. Fingers crossed, but eyes open on this crew. Especially the parents and posse. A bad apple can spoil the whole bushel. We shall see.
(This post was last modified: 04-23-2021 10:20 AM by oruvoice.)
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Lawson was demoted in title but not in salary (I think they offered him 120k to be the 4th assistant) & has Tubby should have been free to hire who he wanted. Bowen made the mistake of trying to make all parties happy which was never going to happen.
1) Tubby was never informed by anyone he had to hire someone from the previous staff, in fact he was told the opposite. Like most experienced coaches the question was asked was he free to make all of his hires and he was informed "yes"
2) When faced with the challenge Tubby gave up the Director of Operations role the role Dwight Boyd plays now for the father and the fathers pay went "up"
If you have ever traveled with either the football team or basketball team, when the buses leave you better be there. ADs have been left before, Football OCs have been left before. Heck a starting QB was left before. Team before self. No one is above anyone else if they are not on time. It's known by every team in every sport if you miss the bus from the hotel get to the game yourself.
Quote from article in Daily Memphian
"Their father said Chandler actually thought about returning home last season, but wanted to give it one more shot. Once he knew his time in Eugene was up, Chandler said the message from K.J. was simple."
Correct on all accounts, especially on the raise part.
What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
(04-07-2021 11:48 AM)k2tigers Wrote: from Keelon -
As for whether Keelon’s up-and-down history at Memphis might deter his sons from suiting up there, it’s a non-issue, according to him.
“I have no problem,” he said. “I done said this in the past. My issue is not with the university. I just had a situation with an administrator (former athletic director Tom Bowen) that lied. I can’t deal with somebody that lies. That person is no longer there, so I have no problems with my sons playing for Penny at the University of Memphis.”
He is lying, too.. Tubby never wanted him on his coaching staff.. Of course, Tubby never told him that.. he made Bowen tell Keelon to demote him to another position..
Lawson was demoted in title but not in salary (I think they offered him 120k to be the 4th assistant) & has Tubby should have been free to hire who he wanted. Bowen made the mistake of trying to make all parties happy which was never going to happen.
If you have ever traveled with either the football team or basketball team, when the buses leave you better be there. ADs have been left before, Football OCs have been left before. Heck a starting QB was left before. Team before self. No one is above anyone else if they are not on time. It's known by every team in every sport if you miss the bus from the hotel get to the game yourself.
100% true! I traveled on many team buses in my college days. I've seen players, assistant coaches, staff, and radio announcers left behind, many times.
Ultimately, we all want the same thing...a great season and deep tourney run. Fingers crossed, but eyes open on this crew. Especially the parents and posse. A bad apple can spoil the whole bushel. We shall see.
Also applies to drunken group trips to spring river. Be at the bus or get left in Hardy!
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
(This post was last modified: 04-28-2021 11:02 AM by snowtiger.)
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
While I dig the dig...Lawson was not a coach. (And ultimately that was the problem.) He was the DOO. So that position is not normally included in coaches meetings.
It comes down to getting demoted and a failure of communication between the 3 parties involved. "Missing the bus", "left out of meetings", "fans are racists" were all just diversions from hurt feelings over the demotion.
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
While I dig the dig...Lawson was not a coach. (And ultimately that was the problem.) He was the DOO. So that position is not normally included in coaches meetings.
It comes down to getting demoted and a failure of communication between the 3 parties involved. "Missing the bus", "left out of meetings", "fans are racists" were all just diversions from hurt feelings over the demotion.
If someone's pay is increased I'm not sure you call that a demotion unless you are pushing a narrative. A job change that Lawson didn't want, sure. But Tubby was the coach & had every right to choose his coaching staff (probably even a contractual right). Lawson still had a job at increased pay, it just wasn't the job he wanted. Why would it be a new coach's responsibility to move a previous staff member? That's the AD job when the previous head coach leaves.
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
While I dig the dig...Lawson was not a coach. (And ultimately that was the problem.) He was the DOO. So that position is not normally included in coaches meetings.
It comes down to getting demoted and a failure of communication between the 3 parties involved. "Missing the bus", "left out of meetings", "fans are racists" were all just diversions from hurt feelings over the demotion.
If someone's pay is increased I'm not sure you call that a demotion unless you are pushing a narrative. A job change that Lawson didn't want, sure. But Tubby was the coach & had every right to choose his coaching staff (probably even a contractual right). Lawson still had a job at increased pay, it just wasn't the job he wanted. Why would it be a new coach's responsibility to move a previous staff member? That's the AD job when the previous head coach leaves.
lol, pushing a narrative (take's one to call one out?)
I was one who defended the move when it happened. A new HC should have the opportunity to pick his own staff. Turns out, Tubby picked REALLY poorly. But I'm not the guy "pushing a narrative".
It is a demotion when someone takes you from a job of higher esteem and responsibility, and moves you lower in the pecking order. Yes, Lawson got a raise. But pay and job title/responsibility are too different things. Make no mistake - it was a demotion.
Just about every DOBO out there wants to be an AC. Just about zero AC's out there want to be a DOBO.
(04-27-2021 11:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote: What about the exclusion of Papa Lawson from the coach meetings?
Let's fact is...Tubby and his entourage had a middle school approach to all relationships--from BAM's recruiting trip in a Santa Suit, to Pooh's infamous crotch grab. "We're coming to a gym near you." smh
Why would anyone think Papa Lawson had a fair shot at catching that bus. They were trying like hell to push him out with disrespect alone.
Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
While I dig the dig...Lawson was not a coach. (And ultimately that was the problem.) He was the DOO. So that position is not normally included in coaches meetings.
It comes down to getting demoted and a failure of communication between the 3 parties involved. "Missing the bus", "left out of meetings", "fans are racists" were all just diversions from hurt feelings over the demotion.
If someone's pay is increased I'm not sure you call that a demotion unless you are pushing a narrative. A job change that Lawson didn't want, sure. But Tubby was the coach & had every right to choose his coaching staff (probably even a contractual right). Lawson still had a job at increased pay, it just wasn't the job he wanted. Why would it be a new coach's responsibility to move a previous staff member? That's the AD job when the previous head coach leaves.
So as long as you make more money it is not considered a demotion...
If you are have a job as an electrical engineer and they pay you more to be a sanitation engineer...Would that not be considered a demotion.
You see the position you hold sets up future positions...Regardless of how much money you make.
All of this is such old information and not really relevant unless someone just wants to know the real details. Only reason I added some real data.
There were rumors under Pastner that they tried to meet without him, rumors non the less
For those that do not know, it was very difficult for both staffs to use him for anything official where he had to communicate with anyone outside of the office. Which is sad, very sad but he lacks even lower level communication skills. It put a lot of pressure on both staffs to help manage through this situation.
(04-28-2021 09:19 AM)griffin Wrote: Director of Operations is part of the Basketball staff not part of the Coaching Staff. Coaching meetings do not include the Director of Operations. Dwight Boyd does not attend Coaching meetings.
Everyone had the same opportunity to get on the bus at the same time.
Why do I not think it was as simple as you make it...? Why would the Director of Operations not tell Lawson there was a coach's meeting? Remember... even you don't know everything that happens behind the scenes. not that there's anything wrong with that.
#big12
While I dig the dig...Lawson was not a coach. (And ultimately that was the problem.) He was the DOO. So that position is not normally included in coaches meetings.
It comes down to getting demoted and a failure of communication between the 3 parties involved. "Missing the bus", "left out of meetings", "fans are racists" were all just diversions from hurt feelings over the demotion.
If someone's pay is increased I'm not sure you call that a demotion unless you are pushing a narrative. A job change that Lawson didn't want, sure. But Tubby was the coach & had every right to choose his coaching staff (probably even a contractual right). Lawson still had a job at increased pay, it just wasn't the job he wanted. Why would it be a new coach's responsibility to move a previous staff member? That's the AD job when the previous head coach leaves.
So as long as you make more money it is not considered a demotion...
If you are have a job as an electrical engineer and they pay you more to be a sanitation engineer...Would that not be considered a demotion.
You see the position you hold sets up future positions...Regardless of how much money you make.
In decades in business, I've seen numerous moves from a line mgmt position to an admin position (example, VP Programs to Asst to the President) with a pay increase & it is not considered a demotion. It may not have been the desired path for that vp but it was a way to get the right person in the programs job while still showing value for the person transferred. There are numerous such examples. But in Keelon's case he only had the asst job because he leveraged his sons' talent for his personal benefit. That's not a long term, multi head coach position of longevity & security. Instead, he predictably turned that into a public fight with the school because he put his interests first rather than the school's interest (even a head of his sons'). And BTW, this is still a relatively free country. If you don't like your job or you think your track record/resume deserves a better position, you can always attempt to find that better job.
(This post was last modified: 04-30-2021 08:26 AM by Atlanta.)
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