(04-21-2021 06:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 05:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Boy...I see the talking points traveled fast to the right wing. Wow...record time!

I think it is great that there was no "celebratory rioting". Goody for the masses.

Unfortunately because of people like Watters not keeping her mouth shut, there is a real chance that this is far from over. At this point, Chauvin should just go away quietly as collateral damage to this whole mess - and ultimately he probably will, but but before that happens there will be a lot more drama to unfold.

The question to ask now however it what will come of this? Will people be more embolden to defy authority? Thus creating more events like this? If you hamstring police from enforcing the law, then you might as well repeal "the law". Is that your goal here ComTom? Will Authority be less hands on (more passive) to enforce the laws they were hired to enforce?

Regardless of the verdict, there is a sea-change in socially acceptable behaviors for good and bad people alike. This is going to get ugly. By and large there are A LOT more "law abiding citizens" than there are "not law abiding citizens". People will start fighting back at some point when they feel like police are helpless and that is when the blood will truly spill.

I hope it never gets to that point, but it will likely take an act of god now to stop it.

Think what you want Tom, but Trump did not create this mess.... the roots of this started long before Trump .... loooong before Trump.

1. Waters is a clown...never said otherwise...and she needed to shut her mouth during the trial...she can bleat all she wants now however.
2. I have no "goal" here.
3. I didn't say one word about trump as this has nothing at all to do with him.

IMO, the problem with the police is the police themselves. Their training seems to suck ass.

(04-21-2021 07:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 06:31 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 05:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Boy...I see the talking points traveled fast to the right wing. Wow...record time!

If anyone knows talking points it would be you

Tom should ask himself how he would feel if he was indicted for something he may or may not have been guilty of and during his trial politicians including the president and members of congress called for your conviction and you had groups intimidating witnesses and jury members while the trial was in process.
Is that now how the left wants the justice system to work?

I had forgotten this, but Chauvin had originally agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder, Barr rejected it.

And FWIW - Even drunk Jeanine Pirro agreed with the ruling.

The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction involving a police officer since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

ETA - I need to check the wording of the original article. I get a NY Times email morning news update every morning and I saw it there but I tend to skim it over at 6 am so I probably got it wrong right away. They claim the odds are 1 in 2000 now that a police officer gets convicted of murder in a case where I assume someone dies in a police incident of some type or another? I don't know where they got that number from.

I think the judge has set up an appeal based, among other things, on the idea that outside political and other influences prejudiced the jury excessively. This case still strikes me as clearly manslaughter and not murder, unless you accept the argument that the standard should be white cop + dead black man = murder. If that becomes the standard, I think the goal of defunding the police will become moot, because nobody will be willing to be a policeman. Instead you'll see large private guard forces protecting those who can afford them (at great expense, because of the same risk that will eliminate working for the police as a viable career) and crime will run rampant in the neighborhoods and businesses of those who can't.

(04-21-2021 07:25 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction of a police shooting since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

The last one in Minneapolis when an officer shot a white lady that called police and walked out to the car to tell them what she saw got 12.5 years. Let's see what Chauvin gets for not rendering aid to a drug addict dying of a Fentanyl OD. Chauvin actually got convicted of a worse crime.
Justine Diamond murder.

(04-21-2021 07:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 06:31 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 05:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Boy...I see the talking points traveled fast to the right wing. Wow...record time!

If anyone knows talking points it would be you

Tom should ask himself how he would feel if he was indicted for something he may or may not have been guilty of and during his trial politicians including the president and members of congress called for your conviction and you had groups intimidating witnesses and jury members while the trial was in process.
Is that now how the left wants the justice system to work?

I had forgotten this, but Chauvin had originally agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder, Barr rejected it.

And FWIW - Even drunk Jeanine Pirro agreed with the ruling.

He may well be guilty. That's what the trial is for and if the jury rendered that verdict without fear of reprisals, doxing, etc... that would be as it should. However you and I both know that due to the intimidation, comments, attempted witness reprisals etc.. that there is now plenty of cause for appeal and for this to not be put to bed.

Well. When the Judge presiding actual says on record you will have a good case for a mistrial on appeal one would think it would be so.

(04-21-2021 07:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Well. When the Judge presiding actual says on record you will have a good case for a mistrial on appeal one would think it would be so.

It will be interesting to see the appeals process play out

If this stays in state court though I don't think it will be too successful

(04-21-2021 07:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:25 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction of a police shooting since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

The last one in Minneapolis when an officer shot a white lady that called police and walked out to the car to tell them what she saw got 12.5 years. Let's see what Chauvin gets for not rendering aid to a drug addict dying of a Fentanyl OD. Chauvin actually got convicted of a worse crime.
Justine Diamond murder.

You're an idiot.

I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

You can say whatever you want. You'll be wrong as usual.

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:25 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction of a police shooting since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

The last one in Minneapolis when an officer shot a white lady that called police and walked out to the car to tell them what she saw got 12.5 years. Let's see what Chauvin gets for not rendering aid to a drug addict dying of a Fentanyl OD. Chauvin actually got convicted of a worse crime.
Justine Diamond murder.

You're an idiot.

I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

Name caller. That IS what he got convicted of. You can say what you want. Putting a knee on someone's back doesn't kill them.

(04-21-2021 09:06 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

You can say whatever you want. You'll be wrong as usual.

saying the Floyd was dying of an OD is wrong as well.

That's his point.

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:25 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction of a police shooting since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

The last one in Minneapolis when an officer shot a white lady that called police and walked out to the car to tell them what she saw got 12.5 years. Let's see what Chauvin gets for not rendering aid to a drug addict dying of a Fentanyl OD. Chauvin actually got convicted of a worse crime.
Justine Diamond murder.

You're an idiot.

I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

Do you know what Floyd died from?

An overdose until Crump was able to pay for the autopsy report he wanted via the go fund me money. When you have that type of money, you can get any outcome you want.

Some even tried to blame his death on Covid, just so they could point fingers to D.C.

(04-21-2021 09:06 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

You can say whatever you want. You'll be wrong as usual.

Just like Floyd dying from a Fentanyl OD, right?

Are you really this clueless?

Quote:The report, conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, states there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation"; however, the combined effects of being pinned down by an officer as well as "his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

Floyd autopsy.
As I say. He was convicted of not providing aid. It's not the responsibility of the police to know someone's health history and how much drugs someone has ingested prior to restraining him.

(04-21-2021 09:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:25 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The NY Times pointed out this morning that the Chauvin case marks the 7th murder conviction of a police shooting since 2005, so this isn't exactly an unprecedented ruling. Now I do suspect the publicity in this case far outweighs the previous convictions.

The last one in Minneapolis when an officer shot a white lady that called police and walked out to the car to tell them what she saw got 12.5 years. Let's see what Chauvin gets for not rendering aid to a drug addict dying of a Fentanyl OD. Chauvin actually got convicted of a worse crime.
Justine Diamond murder.

You're an idiot.

I guess I can say a fire extinguisher killed Sicknick then?

Do you know what Floyd died from?

Quote:The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-update...oronavirus

(04-21-2021 09:23 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

Quote:The report, conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, states there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation"; however, the combined effects of being pinned down by an officer as well as "his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

Floyd autopsy.
As I say. He was convicted of not providing aid. It's not the responsibility of the police to know someone's health history and how much drugs someone has ingested prior to restraining him.

So, no Fentanyl OD.

Thanks for confirming.

(04-21-2021 09:14 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  An overdose until Crump was able to pay for the autopsy report he wanted via the go fund me money. When you have that type of money, you can get any outcome you want.

Some even tried to blame his death on Covid, just so they could point fingers to D.C.

Some say trump won the election too.

And did you happen to read the medical examiner's report or listen to any of his testimony?

Or are you accusing him of being paid off?

Some would be right.

Yes, paid off, caved to death threats, or both.