(04-08-2021 03:17 AM)PusherT Wrote:  UConn football was only valuable when it had the BE BCS autobid and football conference rivals Pitt/SU/WVU/Rutgers as games. Once they lost those conference FB games the FB program was never going to recover unfortunately. Same thing could had happened to SU had we gone to AAC .

You mean UCONN football sucked got nothing to do with a string of bad coaches we hired? Pretty sure coach P and Diaco got plenty to do with the current state of UCONN football. Since UCONN became indy, Edsall has brought in much better recruits. We will see if he can deliver, but he has done it before.

(04-08-2021 12:28 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 AM)PusherT Wrote:  UConn football was only valuable when it had the BE BCS autobid and football conference rivals Pitt/SU/WVU/Rutgers as games. Once they lost those conference FB games the FB program was never going to recover unfortunately. Same thing could had happened to SU had we gone to AAC .

You mean UCONN football sucked got nothing to do with a string of bad coaches we hired? Pretty sure coach P and Diaco got plenty to do with the current state of UCONN football. Since UCONN became indy, Edsall has brought in much better recruits. We will see if he can deliver, but he has done it before.

UConn's recruiting rankings per Rivals:

2021 - 94
2020 - 79
2019 - sub-100
2018 - 89
2017 - 89 Edsall's first class on his second stint
2016 - sub-100
2015 - 100
2014 - sub-100 Diaco's first class
2013 - 64
2012 - 78
2011 - sub-100 Pasqualoni's first class
2010 - 83
2009 - 75
2008 - 71
2007 - 66
2006 - 85
2005 - 79
2004 - 87
2003 - 87 Edsall starts as HC in 99, 2003 is first year in Big East

So Diaco was definitely awful, but Pasqualoni's two full classes include the highest in program history and one that is perfectly in-line with the others. Edsall looks to be improving on Diaco, which isn't much of a hurdle, but no evidence that he's going to get it back to the mid-high 70s where his successful classes were from given that this last class landed at 94th.

I would like to see Edsall leave UConn. But in fairness to him, his strength was taking high school players who were under the radar and turn them into excellent players. He did this several times in his first reign here. He has done nothing like this during his recent tenure. Paul P. was a horrible coach, as was Diaco.

(04-08-2021 01:25 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 12:28 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 AM)PusherT Wrote:  UConn football was only valuable when it had the BE BCS autobid and football conference rivals Pitt/SU/WVU/Rutgers as games. Once they lost those conference FB games the FB program was never going to recover unfortunately. Same thing could had happened to SU had we gone to AAC .

You mean UCONN football sucked got nothing to do with a string of bad coaches we hired? Pretty sure coach P and Diaco got plenty to do with the current state of UCONN football. Since UCONN became indy, Edsall has brought in much better recruits. We will see if he can deliver, but he has done it before.

UConn's recruiting rankings per Rivals:

2021 - 94
2020 - 79
2019 - sub-100
2018 - 89
2017 - 89 Edsall's first class on his second stint
2016 - sub-100
2015 - 100
2014 - sub-100 Diaco's first class
2013 - 64
2012 - 78
2011 - sub-100 Pasqualoni's first class
2010 - 83
2009 - 75
2008 - 71
2007 - 66
2006 - 85
2005 - 79
2004 - 87
2003 - 87 Edsall starts as HC in 99, 2003 is first year in Big East

So Diaco was definitely awful, but Pasqualoni's two full classes include the highest in program history and one that is perfectly in-line with the others. Edsall looks to be improving on Diaco, which isn't much of a hurdle, but no evidence that he's going to get it back to the mid-high 70s where his successful classes were from given that this last class landed at 94th.

Recruiting ranking for UCONN doesn't mean a thing under Edsall. With his low-rated classes in the past, he has produced countless NFL players when those players were rated 2 stars when he recruited them. One of his strengths is finding the under-the-radar diamond in the rough type of players and developing them.

It is clear as the day his newer classes are much more talented than the ones Diaco recruited. UCONN had to play true freshmen all over the field last few years, which is one of the major reasons the team sucked.

I have no idea what kind of team Edsall has this season, but I hope UCONN finds a new coach if the team does not improve.

For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

UCONN fans will be like UCF fans were in the 90s. We were independent and played a bunch of great programs at a bunch of great locations...(we got beat) and then had a a pretty crap slate at home

(04-08-2021 02:03 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

UCONN fans will be like UCF fans were in the 90s. We were independent and played a bunch of great programs at a bunch of great locations...(we got beat) and then had a a pretty crap slate at home

Huge difference - UCONN has no problem getting home and home series with most P5 schools.

(04-08-2021 02:05 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:03 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

UCONN fans will be like UCF fans were in the 90s. We were independent and played a bunch of great programs at a bunch of great locations...(we got beat) and then had a a pretty crap slate at home

Huge difference - UCONN has no problem getting home and home series with most P5 schools.

(04-08-2021 02:26 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:05 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:03 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

UCONN fans will be like UCF fans were in the 90s. We were independent and played a bunch of great programs at a bunch of great locations...(we got beat) and then had a a pretty crap slate at home

Huge difference - UCONN has no problem getting home and home series with most P5 schools.

Reading must be a challenge for you.

So far, UCONN got home and home with the following schools:

NC State
North Carolina
Maryland
Purdue
Ole Miss
Syracuse
Boston College
Vandy
Duke

UCONN got 1 game with the following:

Ohio State
Michigan
Clemson
Tenn (one time Tenn signed a home and home with UCONN before they changed this)

Michigan did a home and home series in the past. I don't expect that will happen anytime soon, but Michigan played at East Hartford once. UCONN was also on the verge of signing an 11 games series with ND before it was canceled.

The AD is barely getting started. Do you honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

byu doesnt want to be indy beyond 2025..
their ad has already mention indy is unsustainable ... but think their will be major conference shifts in 2025, he hopes byu takes advantage and ends up in a p5 but recognizes that might not happen..said after 2025 all options will be on the table (he said this when asked if he'd consider the mwc and aac)

We have to remember how we got here.

We got here because, when faced with the option of adding Louisville or UConn, the ACC chose Louisville. The Cardinals and Huskies both had good pedigrees in basketball. UConn had better academics and fit closer to the ACC profile. Ultimately the Cardinals got picked because of football. Louisville and WVU were the two standard bearers of the 2005-2012 Big East football. Had UConn had better gate attendance and won more during that era we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

UConn’s basketball success and branding were always tied to their association with the other great northeastern basketball schools. With all those old familiar faces now in the ACC or New Big East, their performance and recruiting were suffering and their fans were in revolt.

Football was already suffering from what some might call neglect, or others might call abuse. Wounds were self inflicted with bad coaching hires. In a way, UConn’s how FBS experiment had been a disappointment for the fan base, and again the problem was the company they kept—they moved up expecting to play against the original line up sans Temple, before they could get there Miami, VT, and BC were plucked and by the time the ACC was deciding between UConn and Louisville, so were Pitt, Cuse, WVU, and Rutgers. Poor performance and the lack of attractive regional opponents was hurting UConn.

UConn couldn’t fix their association problem in football but they could in basketball, so that’s what they did. They sacrificed the long term success of one program to give the other program a fighting chance at success.

There’s also the terrible tv contract to consider.

Ultimately, UConn had to make a tough decision and I think they made the right one.

They probably aren’t ever going to get into the ACC and they know this and even if it did, it would be a weaker one than the one we had today.

(04-08-2021 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  We have to remember how we got here.

We got here because, when faced with the option of adding Louisville or UConn, the ACC chose Louisville. The Cardinals and Huskies both had good pedigrees in basketball. UConn had better academics and fit closer to the ACC profile. Ultimately the Cardinals got picked because of football. Louisville and WVU were the two standard bearers of the 2005-2012 Big East football. Had UConn had better gate attendance and won more during that era we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

UConn’s basketball success and branding were always tied to their association with the other great northeastern basketball schools. With all those old familiar faces now in the ACC or New Big East, their performance and recruiting were suffering and their fans were in revolt.

Football was already suffering from what some might call neglect, or others might call abuse. Wounds were self inflicted with bad coaching hires. In a way, UConn’s how FBS experiment had been a disappointment for the fan base, and again the problem was the company they kept—they moved up expecting to play against the original line up sans Temple, before they could get there Miami, VT, and BC were plucked and by the time the ACC was deciding between UConn and Louisville, so were Pitt, Cuse, WVU, and Rutgers. Poor performance and the lack of attractive regional opponents was hurting UConn.

UConn couldn’t fix their association problem in football but they could in basketball, so that’s what they did. They sacrificed the long term success of one program to give the other program a fighting chance at success.

There’s also the terrible tv contract to consider.

Ultimately, UConn had to make a tough decision and I think they made the right one.

They probably aren’t ever going to get into the ACC and they know this and even if it did, it would be a weaker one than the one we had today.

Looking at the trend with the media rights etc, there is more chance more teams like USC, Texas etc. that might go indy vs being in the conference. I am pretty sure folks at Texas don't want to share revenue with Kansas St or Iowa St. With PAC-12 revenue not keeping up, USC might go indy vs sharing equal pay with schools like Oregon St or Washington St. There might be a trend of schools doing individual media deals on its own vs. sticking with a conference.

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

(04-08-2021 02:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

Lol. I am guessing you don't understand how football scheduling works. Scheduling is done 4 to 5 years out. When UCONN went to the BE, they had to scramble to put the schedule together for the next couple of years. This is why first 2-3 years beyond AAC will not look pretty. Multiple schools changed their own already set future schedules to fit UCONN in. UCONN owe favors to those schools.

For the future, I would like to see UCONN play more Eastern schools.

Home and home series with Pitt, UVA, VT, Stanford, Cal etc. There is a rumor of discussion with IOWA for a home and home series since the coach is a UCONN alum.

I would not mind seeing BYU each year. I don't mind 1 off games against teams like USC, Penn St etc. It will give fans a different experience visiting all those places.

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

From the link you provided, contract-bowl-conference teams aka "P5" scheduled by year:
2021-3
2022-4
2023-4
2024-2
2025-3
2026-3
2027-3
(Thats the last year that has at least half the schedule determined)

There are ZERO years with 5. Only two years with 4 and majority with 3. One year with 2. Average is 3.14

The UConn fan somehow turns that into "4-5"
L
O
L

And I'm generally complimentary. Benedict putting together the '20 and '21 schedules was impressive. I like the philosophy of getting home and homes with "P5s" that may be bad football schools, whose names your basketball-centric fans will recognize.

But the self delusion about the REST of the schedule! The idea that MTSU coming to Hartford will be better ticket sales than Memphis, or FIU and FAU better than UCF and USF. The idea that the $10 million dollar football deficit won't stay at that number with road trips to Fresno, Utah State, Ball State etc.

I think those saying UConn football is headed for FCS are wrong. But the UConn fans wh have convinced themselves that independence will allow UConn football to achieve some level of greatness (that being in the AAC held them back from) are more wrong.

My request is for UConn fans to stop trying to lie to the rest of us (even if you keep lying to yourselves)

(04-08-2021 02:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

Show me one G5 team that has home and home series with 9 P5 schools on its schedule.

(04-08-2021 02:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 01:44 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  For people that keep thinking UCONN will go to FCS, it is just wishful thinking. UCONN football is here to stay. The future schedule is a mixture of 4-5 P5 teams per year with some interesting opponents all over the country. I suspect UCONN will probably sign a long-term series with BYU at some point as well.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/

From the link you provided, contract-bowl-conference teams aka "P5" scheduled by year:
2021-3
2022-4
2023-4
2024-2
2025-3
2026-3
2027-3
(Thats the last year that has at least half the schedule determined)

There are ZERO years with 5. Only two years with 3. One year with 2. Average is 3.14

The UConn fan somehow turns that into "4-5"
L
O
L

And I'm generally complimentary. Benedict putting together the '20 and '21 schedules was impressive. I like the philosophy of getting home and homes with "P5s" that may be bad football schools, whose names your basketball-centric fans will recognize.

But the self delusion about the REST of the schedule! The idea that MTSU coming to Hartford will be better ticket sales than Memphis, or FIU and FAU better than UCF and USF. The idea that the $10 million dollar football deficit won't stay at that number with road trips to Fresno, Utah State, Ball State etc.

I think those saying UConn football is headed for FCS are wrong. But the UConn fans wh have convinced themselves that independence will allow UConn football to achieve some level of greatness (that being in the AAC held them back from) are more wrong.

My request is for UConn fans to stop trying to lie to the rest of us (even if you keep lying to yourselves)

Schedule is not even complete. Wait until its done. Pretty sure there will be at least 4x P5 schools each year on schedule going forward.

(04-08-2021 02:54 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

Show me one G5 team that has home and home series with 9 P5 schools on its schedule.

Well, any "G5" team in a conference has 1/3 the schedule openings that an independent does...

(04-08-2021 02:58 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:54 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

Show me one G5 team that has home and home series with 9 P5 schools on its schedule.

Well, any "G5" team in a conference has 1/3 the schedule openings that an independent does...

Most of the G5 teams sign 1 game series or 2 for 1 series with P5 schools.

(04-08-2021 02:54 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 02:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The AD is barely getting started. You honestly think UCONN will have problems scheduling? What's your point?

the majority of those aare bad p5 and spread out of 9 years.. plenty of g5 could say that..that doesnt mean there isnt trouble scheduling

I 100% think uconn has a scheduling problem, its obvious by your home and away disparity on some of the years...
according to people in the program, houston playing at uconn was a favor to uconn.. who had no way of getting a 6th home game next season otherwise

Show me one G5 team that has home and home series with 9 P5 schools on its schedule.

you missed the point .."could".. right now there only 3 or 4 have nonconference slots ..not 12

look at liberty an indy:
wake forest
duke
north Carolina
virgina
virginia tech
ole miss
syracuse
ncstate
rutgers

yet liberty is still offering us a ridiculous amount of money to join the aac (that we turn down)
what your doing isnt special, or that good,

again the issue is the home and away disparity... uconn can only add more away games to 2024 and 2027, while still desperately needing home games in all the other years ..the difficulty of having everyone aligning to those specific years you are undermining how difficult that will be