There's a reason it takes years to know the long term adverse risk profile of a vaccine and a reason why it takes years to get FDA approval.
It is impossible to determine if a vaccine or drug is truly safe in 12 months. That's why all these vaccines have emergency use authorization but still aren't approved.
I hope they turn out to be safe cuz I've already received an injection, but we won't know for 5 years or more if there are any long term issues with them. If I had a safer job, I probably would decline until full FDA approval (probably 2027 or 2028).
RE: Even More bad news for the anti-vaxxers - Pfizer vaccine 99.3 percent effective.
Coronaviruses have been around for eons. Humans have managed it fine all that time. WHY is it NOW only a threat? Think on that one for a bit.
As to the Belgian virologist, he stated this current "vaccine" is for the first strain before mutations. Therefore, you are getting a shot for something that it is unlikely you will run into again. Are they going to now make this like the annual flu shot, concocted for the strain predicted to be prevalent THIS year? Big Pharma would love that. Lot$ of money to be made from the gullible.
Remember that this vaccine contains no weakened or dead virus.
Listen to the CEO of Moderna as he says "we are hacking the software of life" and he calls their shot "an operating system." He says these things in the first 2 minutes of the clip below. He says that the shot is "rewriting the genetic code" and they call it "information therapy." I call it playing God and messing around with something they should not approach.
This clip is from a Ted talk from 2017.
There is talk in the virology community and especially in these Big Pharma companies of changing the annual flu shots to mRNA technology. Bad idea but remember, these companies carry no liability for what happens to their "customers." They don't give a sh!t what happens to you or your family because they will never be held accountable. It is bad enough that the Big Pharma business model is to "keep them sick and only treat the symptoms" because then they have a customer for life. If they CURE things, there isn't enough profit in that.
As to my first sentence of this post, some folks, including a number of scientists are positing that covid was released in order to panic the people of the world to clamor for a vaccine and gratefully take it so the herd could be thinned. We dealt with coronaviruses fine until now. Why the hype? Why the scare tactics and propaganda?
If you want to be a guinea pig, knock yourself out. It galls me that they are promoting this "vaccine" as safe when they have no data on which to back that up. Not only are these scientists incredibly arrogant, believing they can improve on what God created in our immune system, this whole chapter may be seen years from now as the most reckless act of medical treachery ever committed against the human race. This is one of many reasons why I don't trust Big Pharma.
(This post was last modified: 03-28-2021 06:08 PM by MileHighBronco.)
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We supposedly live in a free society where individuals can make their own determinations about the direction of medical care and life. Yet, we have a government hellbent on telling you that you must wear a mask, get vaccinated, etc...
If you want to be vaccinated or not vaccinated, wear a mask or not wear a mask, that is your choice. What amazes me about Americans today is how much they allowed the government to dictate to them how they should operate on a daily basis with masks etc...
People live in fear because the news media and government are pushing a fear narrative in order to control people. When someone stands up against the narrative, they are demonized.
Using fear by making one side feel inferior because of what they believe is quite Machiavellian.
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(03-29-2021 06:23 AM)smudge12 Wrote: mRNA vaccines have been around at least three decades, and there's plenty of information showing their efficacy and safety.
They weren't widely used because the high cost (manufacturing and distribution) generally outweighed their advantages (rapid, high customization). However with all the money poured in, they're ideally suited as a response to a fast-moving pandemic.
One of the long-term benefits is that the investment isn't going to be one and done. Now that we have the manufacturing/distribution capabilities, we can expect to see more mRNA technology. It's a near-ideal application for the flu vaccine; cancer patients (where it was mostly used before) will also benefit from the increased capabilities/decreased costs.
Good post smudge. Below is a link to a 1 minute 50 second John Hopkins video describing the mRNA vaccine (no it doesn't change your DNA etc.) By the way, I get my first Pfizer (mRNA) shot noon tomorrow - :-)
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(03-28-2021 04:09 PM)smudge12 Wrote: They also limit the spread of the virus in society and protect the vulnerable among us (herd immunity). Limiting the spread of a virus also limits random mutations, one of which could end up having the ability to resist existing vaccines...which puts us back to square one.
Vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history.
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(03-29-2021 06:23 AM)smudge12 Wrote: mRNA vaccines have been around at least three decades, and there's plenty of information showing their efficacy and safety.
They weren't widely used because the high cost (manufacturing and distribution) generally outweighed their advantages (rapid, high customization). However with all the money poured in, they're ideally suited as a response to a fast-moving pandemic.
One of the long-term benefits is that the investment isn't going to be one and done. Now that we have the manufacturing/distribution capabilities, we can expect to see more mRNA technology. It's a near-ideal application for the flu vaccine; cancer patients (where it was mostly used before) will also benefit from the increased capabilities/decreased costs.
Don't know what you're talking about. A mRNA vaccine has NEVER been licensed in humans due side effects.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine?
wprov=sfla1]mRNA vaccines[/url]
Quote:Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome, with most finding that the side-effects of mRNA insertion were too serious. mRNA vaccines for human use have been developed and tested for the diseases rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and influenza, although these mRNA vaccines have not been licensed
And
Quote:At the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, no mRNA drug or vaccine had been licensed for use in humans.
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(03-26-2021 01:54 PM)scorpius Wrote: Got my first dose of the Pfizer covid vaccine yesterday. No side-effects except slightly tender at the injection site. I'm excited to join the other vaxers in rising up against the mask. You know it's coming. Most likely by Memorial Day. We shouldn't have to suffer with the mask just to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.
I took the Moderna....yuck
First shot...my injection site was sore AF from 6-24 hours then it ached another 3 days. I felt lethargic and had joint pain for 4-5 days. Not looking forward to #2.
Also, we are fools if you don't realize big Pharma will give us booster shots going forward for at least several years. I just hope this works.
BL: there are too many people on this planet and this is the side effect of allowing unchecked population growth among the poorest.
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(03-29-2021 07:59 AM)smudge12 Wrote: No offense, but Wikipedia is a questionable source at best. Like their DNA-based counterparts, mRNA vaccines have had both successes, failures, and unique challenges.
Your "studies" don't support anything. Abstracts of studies underway will NEVER say it doesn't work because they will lose their grants. There is still NO licensed mRNA treatment. Instead of testing the Covid vaccine on mice it was tested on humans.
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(03-26-2021 01:54 PM)scorpius Wrote: Got my first dose of the Pfizer covid vaccine yesterday. No side-effects except slightly tender at the injection site. I'm excited to join the other vaxers in rising up against the mask. You know it's coming. Most likely by Memorial Day. We shouldn't have to suffer with the mask just to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.
My virus-proof day (2 weeks after 2nd Pfizer shot) is April 23, at which point I will be happily enlisting in your no-mask movement.
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(03-29-2021 08:19 AM)smudge12 Wrote:
(03-29-2021 08:09 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:
(03-29-2021 07:59 AM)smudge12 Wrote: No offense, but Wikipedia is a questionable source at best. Like their DNA-based counterparts, mRNA vaccines have had both successes, failures, and unique challenges.
Your "studies" don't support anything. Abstracts of studies underway will NEVER say it doesn't work because they will lose their grants. There is still NO licensed mRNA treatment. Instead of testing the Covid vaccine on mice it was tested on humans.
The vaccines may very well be ineffective over the long run, but mRNA can't change genomes if you're worried about it. All it's doing is teaching your body to read the spike protein, after which the mRNA falls apart because of its inherent instability. There is no way for your body to translate mRNA into DNA, while SARS-COV-2 - like other viruses - may actually have the ability to integrate into the host genome (possibly why some have long-term health issues). Basically think of mRNA as disposable DNA....made to be used and destroyed without affecting DNA.
While these vaccines did come out quickly, that's more due to how much effort was put into it. They weren't rushed nor insufficiently tested.
I'm also impressed you read all of those in 10 minutes, two of which were not abstracts.
I'm also impressed people are more worried about mRNA vaccines than the stuff companies have been putting in processed food, and our environment, for decades.
You're on a roll LOL. *Yet another good post* ---- which is a breath of fresh air on this board.
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(03-26-2021 02:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: The moment that the CDC announces that the country has reached herd immunity I will refuse to wear a mask any more.
Now that it is acceptable to go about your daily business wearing a mask, some will never give them up. Criminals now have a green light.
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(03-29-2021 09:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: I've been part of the no mask movement since the beginning. You guys really need a pretend vaccine to stop wearing them?
here, here...
#muhplaceboeffect
I had some random jarooney ask me, "sir, do you enjoy sunrises?".... of course he was muffled and I couldn't help to respond, "excuse me, I don't speak 'muzzle'." He, then repeats to the same response....
@buhbye
#queen+preenWaveStyle
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(03-23-2021 12:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Here's a note. The disease isn't spreading. Infection rates have dropped drastically. Go do a little research, like on cdc.gov, and stop watching CNN and reading Facebook.
I'd like to think that is because of the massive number of vaccines being distributed (we're up to 2.5 million a day now, triple the rate of what it was in January). I think it's pretty clear the covid rates are dropping while the number of people being vaccinated go up (we're up to almost 1/3 of our population having received at least 1 shot).
I got my 2nd Pfizer shot Saturday and feel great. Yes, your shoulder will be sore for about 24 hours and with the 2nd shot, I did have the blahs for almost a day too (no fever, just felt like I was getting sick without actually getting sick if you know what I mean). But that too passed after about 24 hours.
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(03-29-2021 09:23 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:
(03-23-2021 12:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Here's a note. The disease isn't spreading. Infection rates have dropped drastically. Go do a little research, like on cdc.gov, and stop watching CNN and reading Facebook.
I'd like to think that is because of the massive number of vaccines being distributed (we're up to 2.5 million a day now, triple the rate of what it was in January). I think it's pretty clear the covid rates are dropping while the number of people being vaccinated go up (we're up to almost 1/3 of our population having received at least 1 shot).
I got my 2nd Pfizer shot Saturday and feel great. Yes, your shoulder will be sore for about 24 hours and with the 2nd shot, I did have the blahs for almost a day too (no fever, just felt like I was getting sick without actually getting sick if you know what I mean). But that too passed after about 24 hours.
Hopefully that just means it's working.
I think you should get the experimental gene vaccine. I'm all for it.
Those of us that had it and lived through it and feel good applaud the efforts of the weak members of the herd.
Done give me any bullshite about multiple variants and endless strains either. Naw, hell naw.
Take your shot, comply, and wear your face diaper.
Live free or die
(This post was last modified: 03-29-2021 09:31 AM by shere khan.)
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(03-29-2021 07:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:
(03-28-2021 04:09 PM)smudge12 Wrote: They also limit the spread of the virus in society and protect the vulnerable among us (herd immunity). Limiting the spread of a virus also limits random mutations, one of which could end up having the ability to resist existing vaccines...which puts us back to square one.
Vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history.
Another good post.
I think we only have three variants of concern now. The UK one, the South African one, and the Brazilian one. I could be wrong but I believe the South African variant has already rendered the AstraZeneca vaccine only 50% effective. Moderna and Pfizer still provide good protection. I say that to say this, I do think the uneven rate of vaccinations around the world will mean that we will see more spread and more variants of this virus. And it's only a matter of time until those new variants reach the United States. I really think this is going to be an ongoing problem which will require booster shots. I understand that both Moderna and Pfizer are already working on the vaccine modifications anticipating this. A good characteristic of mRNA vaccines appear to be the ease of modification of these vaccines to match any new variant that comes along. So hopefully this won't be a big problem for those vaccinated once we have enough vaccine.
(This post was last modified: 03-29-2021 09:53 AM by Tigers2B1.)
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The ugly truth about the covid-19 lockdowns with Nick Hudson, co-founder of PANDA (Pandemic data and analysis).
Quote:This group has been outspoken with regards to the policy-makers' reaction to Covid-19, lockdowns and other approaches to the virus. Its viewpoints have ruffled feathers over the past year, with many in the establishment openly hostile towards the group of actuaries, accountants, economists and other professionals who participate in the global think tank. Nick Hudson, co-founder of PANDA, spoke at the inaugural BizNews Investment Conference in March 2021. Here's his keynote address.
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(03-29-2021 08:15 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:
(03-26-2021 01:54 PM)scorpius Wrote: Got my first dose of the Pfizer covid vaccine yesterday. No side-effects except slightly tender at the injection site. I'm excited to join the other vaxers in rising up against the mask. You know it's coming. Most likely by Memorial Day. We shouldn't have to suffer with the mask just to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.
My virus-proof day (2 weeks after 2nd Pfizer shot) is April 23, at which point I will be happily enlisting in your no-mask movement.
Herr Fauci and Commandant Northam can k.m.a.
Actually, new information released today from real scientific studies from both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines indicate 80% virus-proof 2 weeks after 1st shot and 90% 2 weeks after 2nd shot. And this supposedly means you don't catch it enough to transmit it or feel any symptoms.
(03-29-2021 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote: Those of us that had it and lived through it and feel good applaud the efforts of the weak members of the herd.
Done give me any bullshite about multiple variants and endless strains either. Naw, hell naw.
Take your shot, comply, and wear your face diaper.
Live free or die
Do you feel good knowing a part of having had Covid is the possibility of something called "long-haul" symptoms? You might not feel any now, but they can crop up at any time. And when they do, you probaby won't be feeling good then. Also there's more and more data suggesting those who catch Covid the 2nd time usually have a harder time with it and have greater chance for the dreaded "long-haul" symptoms. And that makes sense since that's certainly been my experience with the flu.
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